Found Deceased TX - Kaytlynn Cargill, 14, Bedford, 19 June 2017 #3 *Arrest*

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did anyone else think the details about KC "running away" were strange? seemed to me the perp was not happy about Source1 and pup being present even in the distance. I wonder if that might be some part of the motive.. like the perp got mad that KC brought anyone along, or mad that Source1 in particular was aware of the "deal".
I do wonder about what was going on with Source1 and the kid arrested. They had at one time lived in the same household and it isn't clear if that was the apartment Source1 lived in within the complex.
 
I do wonder about what was going on with Source1 and the kid arrested. They had at one time lived in the same household and it isn't clear if that was the apartment Source1 lived in within the complex.

All we have is the evidence and Source 1's testimony. It's possible he had more involvement in the dab making than he is saying. Kaytlynn can't speak for herself so we do need to take his word with a grain of salt. We may never know the truth.
 

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When this first happened the only thing I could think of that would have been drug related would have been her overdosing. Those with her panicking b/c they would be in deep trouble so they placed her in the dumpster. Then we get the COD report back stating she was murdered. Never thought after COD being reported we would see she was killed by a teenager due to some involvement in drugs.

We lost 2 young girls within days of each other all because of drugs.
 
I think the affidavit explains the timeline pretty well and what they've been doing all along.

Agreed. It does look like they got good info early, and they got started right away. They must have found out that the POI was gonna be tuff to find, and they apparently wanted to have a rock-solid case before they made an arrest for this horrible crime. I am amazed at how tight-lipped everyone was, but they kept in all under control. The affidavit leaves no doubt, IMO, who the perp was and where it happened. It also sounds like LE was busy on this thing every single day. Bravo to them and bravo to those who had to keep such a secret for so long. This case looks very solid to me.
 
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Why in the world di it take so long for them to arrest him? I just don't understand that.

I presume forensic testing. Likely they just got the results back only recently.

Yes, the forensics -- blood, hair, etc., does take a while. Also, if understood the affidavit correctly, it looked to me like he was moving around, too. I guess LE wanted a solid case and a solid location for him so that they could make a quick arrest after they determined for sure where to find him.
 
just now seeing the news
I want to go back through the threads & multi-quote everyone who said they had a feeling it was a teenager or friend who did this - I don't know who at this point but I do remember there was a few people who called it
 
also I recall several people suggesting this was drug-related ... some of you were right on it!
 
The local FOX news channel released the name of the suspect. Jordan Roach from O.D Wyatt in Ft. Worth.
 
did anyone else think the details about KC "running away" were strange? seemed to me the perp was not happy about Source1 and pup being present even in the distance. I wonder if that might be some part of the motive.. like the perp got mad that KC brought anyone along, or mad that Source1 in particular was aware of the "deal".
She ran away and then went back later?
 
I never posted in the Kaytlynn threads but checked for updates once or twice a week. Throw me in with those who had a hunch it was drug related.

What a tragedy.

If there are any teen 'sleuths' here, NEVER buy in to the 'glamorous' portrayal of the drug world like you see in pop culture. It is extremely dangerous, no matter how safe it may appear on the surface. You're playing Russian roulette with your life. It doesn't matter what level you are involved in....you are just as likely to get killed over a nickelbag of pot as you are an eight ball of meth/cocaine.

To any parents here with young teens, even if you've talked to your kids about drugs you should show them this case, and especially show them pics of Kaytlynn. When you look at her you think, "she's a good girl. She'd never get involved in drugs". She probably was a good girl, but she didn't realize how dangerous this stuff really is. ANY type of drug deal can go wrong in so many ways, and those involved don't factor in your age or how cute you are.

Not the same thing as the incident she was dealing with, but here's an example of one of the incidents I dealt with in my drug days....

In my mid 20s I was in a dicey situation. We were at a certain guy's house and a gun got pulled on me. I knew if I showed any fear I was dead. Might be dead anyways. I played it cool and the tension eased until they finally put it away. How is a teen going to react in such a situation?

Like I said earlier, so much can go wrong so quickly. I'm amazed that I got out of all that crap alive.

14 year old girls(or boys) should not be involved on any level. I get wanting to smoke a joint at 14(I did), drink some beer(I did), but don't ever get involved when it comes to transactions, even as just a middleman or even gopher.

This girl's life was destroyed over it and hopefully its a wake up call to at least one kid out there.

Yes I don't believe he ever intended to sell her any weed. It was all about getting her money and killing her to shut her up. moo


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Maybe.....but drug deals are usually a tad more complex than that.

Even though I loved the Reagans, I used to make fun of Nancy Reagan's war on drugs. After being into drugs off and on through my early teen years to my late 30s.....

I no longer laugh.

She was right....

JUST SAY NO.

It does seem odd that the POI was going to 'front' them the weed.
Why does that seem odd? It happens all the time.

Its possible this would have been her first attempt.
I doubt that. You don't just wake up one day and decide to do this for *advertiser censored* and giggles.

There would've been a progression.

I am curious if there are gang affiliations or who the older gangsta is in this kid's life. Usually a youth corrupting other youths has himself been corrupted by someone else. He either set it up to kill her for $300, or she really had no idea what she was doing and showed up with poorly made dabs and he freaked out and killed her. It depends on whether she gave him $300, or he gave her an amount of weed to make dabs of which $300 would be her cut for processing (which is how I understand it went down). Good dab is not easy to make.
Yeah and sadly I can picture her doing this very thing and the whole thing going to hell in three shakes of a lamb's tail. By the time she realizes this is all a mistake and she shouldn't be doing it, it's too late.

Just awful.

This case deserves a LOT more attention than its getting.

One more thing...

I don't buy into the stuff regarding legalized marijuana and how great it is now. ALL it achieves is providing easier access to the drugs for drug dealers. That's it. I am in the minority of former drug users who vote no when it comes to the legalization of it. I've seen too much to buy the bill of goods these advocates try to sell. If its main purpose is for cancer patients, why are 99% of the people in line at these shops healthy people in their 20s and 30s laughing?

Kids are being taught that its safe and trendy to use it.

Doesn't look too safe to me....


You know, we all keep wondering how a kid as wholesome, talented, & smart as Kaytlynn could have been involved in drugs. Perhaps I'm just painfully old fashioned, but it seems to me that kids now days are not given any consequences for any unacceptable behavior beginning from the time they are very small & continuing on into their teen years. Fuddle-duddy me is willing to bet that anyone here over 40 years old knows all about consequences. Sure, all teens do stupid & dangerous stuff & I am no exception, but once upon a time there were consequences for our bad behaviors.
We live in a strange world now. Parents cant(wont) discipline their kids, people pretend to be outraged over things that never would've bothered them in the past, this 24/7 obsession with phones/social media, list goes on and on.

I don't know how we got to this point as a society but nothing good will come of it.


I live in a legalized state and I feel like I'm suddenly seeing a lot more violence and robberies related to marijuana and honestly, it's kind of terrifying because it is so common around here that these kinds of things could happen to anyone.


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Like I said above, people need to stop buying what the advocates are selling. All voting yes achieves is getting high grade marijuana into drug dealers hands a hell of a lot quicker....and legally. Instead of low grade red bud coming across the border, they get high grade marijuana that you would only see in High Times magazine years ago.

IMO they (there was another person with the POI in that initial meeting) never had the marijuana, they were hoping Kaytlynn would be alone and they would be able to go back to his apartment and do whatever to Kaytlynn during that first meeting. Drugs/potential to make money was just a lure IMO.
While I do believe the drug issue is the main reason she was killed, there was probably a sexual component to this tragedy as well.

This is another aspect of drug culture that teens(specifically girls) need to be aware of. Where there's drugs...there's sex. A teen girl is not going to go very long without getting propositioned. It could be something as simple as the dealer asking for sex to clear the debt. Girl says no.....girl now in trouble.

KCs 16yo killer gave her $300 worth of weed. Mind you, he has only lived in the complex for two weeks.

KC kicked it up a notch by forming the weed into dabs. This made the weed more valuable on the street.

She was returning the dabs to her killer, who now owed her $300, when she asked her friend, Source 1, to watch her dog.

KC left her dog with Source 1, so KC could get her money from her killer, for turning the weed into dabs.

Her 16yo killer texted her not to bring the MiniPinch poochie. To come alone. And so she did.

He basically smashed her with a hammer over $300 - $600 worth of weed but KC was only owed $300 that she would then split the profit in half with Source 1.

Simply, KC died over $150.00 because the dealer had plans other than to pay her for the $300. We know where KC ended. This is a horrible and sad development.

"Know what your children are doing." Sgt Holeman, Delphi

When seeing it in a nutshell like that, I do think he propositioned her at some point and it got very ugly very fast.

What a nightmare. I cant even imagine what her parents are going through....its even worse if they had no idea she was involved with drugs.

I feel really sorry for her. She just had no idea what she was getting into.

There is no indication she was "into, dealing, buying or selling drugs".
Uhh......that's EXACTLY what she was doing.

She ran away and then went back later?
While we need more info, the transaction probably wasn't complete. She HAD to go back.
 
Youre probably right but didn't he owe her $300 or am I confused?

Well if what I gathered from the affidavit is correct, she never got the marijuana to make the dabs. The $300 was for her to turn that marijuana into dabs. So I can't see how he owed her if that initial exchange never happened. :moo:


I think that first meeting was organised at the pool so there wouldn't be anything in digital form that would tell his exact apartment. IMO he told Kaytlynn which apartment was his when they met at the pool so she could run straight to the apartment later on, out of sight of Source 1.

If I recall correctly, at the start it was stated that Kaytlynn's parents knew who she was with but not the address. So that would have bought the POI a little extra time if none of them new which exact apartment was his. Again, premeditation. If it was just drug/money exchange wouldn't they meet at the POI apartment in the first place seeing as he was the sole occupant at the time?

I think this was one of Kaytlynn's first time doing this and they would have told her a few things to make the (non-existent, IMO) deal seem more inviting. She would have believed what they told her as she didn't necessarily know how that world works. Very sad.
 
I can't see a reason for the so-called Source #1 to be lying as it appears that earlier texts and other evidence seem to support what actually happened and what source said. KC is the one who went to the meet-up and did leave behind the dog, etc...so whatever else was going on, it seems likely that she was indeed involved to the degree indicated in the report. Anyway...jmo and how it evolved into a murder is just beyond comprehension.
 
I can't see a reason for the so-called Source #1 to be lying as it appears that earlier texts and other evidence seem to support what actually happened and what source said. KC is the one who went to the meet-up and did leave behind the dog, etc...so whatever else was going on, it seems likely that she was indeed involved to the degree indicated in the report. Anyway...jmo and how it evolved into a murder is just beyond comprehension.

I agree but as someone else pointed out earlier we only have source 1 story. We will never have Kaytlynn's story. I'm sure there are text messages to support source 1 so I don't even know. Just broken up by it all.
 
She ran away and then went back later?
Yes i believe so. The way I read it:
*KC meets with perp while Source1 and dog are a distance away but visible to them
*KC ran somewhere to further distance them from Source1 because perp was not happy about them being there
*At some point KC comes back
*About an hour later KC leaves to meet again with perp
*KC does not return
 
Yes i believe so. The way I read it:
*KC meets with perp while Source1 and dog are a distance away but visible to them
*KC ran somewhere to further distance them from Source1 because perp was not happy about them being there
*At some point KC comes back
*About an hour later KC leaves to meet again with perp
*KC does not return
So it wasnt running away from perp, but running away from her friend.
 
Yes i believe so. The way I read it:
*KC meets with perp while Source1 and dog are a distance away but visible to them
*KC ran somewhere to further distance them from Source1 because perp was not happy about them being there
*At some point KC comes back
*About an hour later KC leaves to meet again with perp
*KC does not return

But isn't that strange? Obviously source 1 knew what was up. Right?
 
Source 1 might have been scared of suspect

Exactly. It's possible he sent her up to get the money because he was scared to go himself. Do we know if source 1 had a cell phone? Obviously he knew the suspect well if he used to live with him. I don't think we are getting the full story. I do believe Kaytlynn was involved in the drug deal of course, but I'm not sure about her part in it verses the other players. She may have been put in the middle of it.
 
Exactly. It's possible he sent her up to get the money because he was scared to go himself. Do we know if source 1 had a cell phone? Obviously he knew the suspect well if he used to live with him. I don't think we are getting the full story. I do believe Kaytlynn was involved in the drug deal of course, but I'm not sure about her part in it verses the other players. She may have been put in the middle of it.

Makes me wonder who would have introduced Kaytlynn to the suspect? And has LE delved into that angle here?

ETA: I have read the complaint a couple of times now. There is just something about the story Source 1 has weaved, that makes me scratch my head. Maybe it's just me.
 
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