Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #1

[Razz]

I asked the same questions as you and my statement was deleted. That was a few weeks ago.

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Hmmm, may be because this has become a more viable scenario.
I think it's a legitimate question and an avenue that needs to be explored.

But, the problem with this is no one can collect anything until MC is deemed dead (if not found) and before the courts and or insurance will agree that he is no longer living will take years.

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[inmyhumbleopinion]

Wait, even if he didn't install or purchase anything, did he register the iPhone under Beccas Apple ID? If so that might help LE get access to info on his phone

This is very important! I hadn't thought of it -and my kids' iPhones are registered using the dad's Apple ID ...-, but surely, LE already did ... no??

 

[Hstevenson86]

Let's just imagine for a moment that MC wanted to disappear.

He would need a DL, money and a phone. Let's say he's been silently building up his cash supply for awhile. He won't use a card because he doesn't want to leave a trail.

Maybe he calls a taxi to take him to the airport. He bought a ticket a while ago so he doesn't need cash for that.

He travels somewhere or to someone who will keep his
travel quiet. He gets rid of his SIM card and buys a new one.
He changes the address on his d.l.

But of course, for this to happen he'd need a reason.
It wouldn't explain the blood in the shop but it would explain why nothing was taken and why everything was shut up tight.

Is there a relative of the family that lives away from Quinlan and someone who will keep his disappearance quiet?

This sounds a tad far fetched for Pawpa but who really knows what goes on inside another's mind?

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I have been thinking more about this as well. Could he have possibly had a mistress? I know of a man who did this exact same thing and it was completely out of his character and nobody ever thought he would do such a thing. He did though. His family searched and law enforcement looked for him for months before he called home and explained he had left with another woman.


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[QueenBea13]

Let's just imagine for a moment that MC wanted to disappear.

He would need a DL, money and a phone. Let's say he's been silently building up his cash supply for awhile. He won't use a card because he doesn't want to leave a trail.

Maybe he calls a taxi to take him to the airport. He bought a ticket a while ago so he doesn't need cash for that.

He travels somewhere or to someone who will keep his
travel quiet. He gets rid of his SIM card and buys a new one.
He changes the address on his d.l.

But of course, for this to happen he'd need a reason.
It wouldn't explain the blood in the shop but it would explain why nothing was taken and why everything was shut up tight.

Is there a relative of the family that lives away from Quinlan and someone who will keep his disappearance quiet?

This sounds a tad far fetched for Pawpa but who really knows what goes on inside another's mind?

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I am leaning towards this scenario, and it isn't known, to us that is, if the blood is recent or if maybe it'd been there awhile, but it does explain how everything was locked up like it should be, keys left so others have access to them etc....
So maybe he just needed a break from reality & he could be sitting on a beach somewhere enjoying a cold drink & has no idea all this is going on.

Just my random thoughts & opinions

 

[dawny]

From everything I've read and seen as far as the news and social media, it would be my opinion that I find it odd someone is able to go there leave no fingerprints, no other vehicles were seen according to neighbors, take someone without anyone seeing. Or without LE being able to pick up on some sort of clue as to another person being there. Im one to think logically, regarding facts. And we don't have them all due to this being an ongoing investigation. Which is completely understandable. But from whats been released to the public, he was last seen at walmart buying makeup for his wife. That was found at their home, in the normal place. His wallet and keys were there. DL, himself and phone are missing. House and shop were locked with all lights turned off. Nothing was disturbed. Blood was on shop floor. But for how long? Lets be honest here...how often does his wife actually go out to the shop? That blood could be from an older injury. The sheriff stated many times in the press conference that it was a very small amount. We dont know. My opinion I dont think anyone was robbing him. As nothing was disturbed or taken. Whos going to rob and kidnap/kill someone and turn off the lights and lock up? And take nothing? That makes no sense.I pray for this family.

 

[ocgrad]

This is what I'm having a hard time with. Why would someone go into the shed, hurt Pawpa, take out his ID and take what little money was left, take Pawpa and lock up behind them and turn off the lights all without leaving fingerprints? If it was a perp(s) it sounds as though they were being very careful with every aspect and it sounds premeditated.

Now I'm sorry but I need to ask this. Did Pawpa have a life insurance policy? Who gets the house? Who will get the cars. The only thing is.....
if this is in play, they'll need to find a body first.

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Maybe they did leave fingerprints but not in the system. Or maybe they held a weapon on him and told him what to do so all prints are his.

 

[ocgrad]

His sweatpants have pockets. I think all of them do, but I will check. I'll also see where he pulled his wallet out from the surveillance video.

I believe he took his wallet from his front pocket.

 

[Razz]

Maybe they did leave fingerprints but not in the system. Or maybe they held a weapon on him and told him what to do so all prints are his.

His grandaughter said that all prints belonged to Pawpa.

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[SavetheQueen]

On the subject of iPhones, I had said the other day that I was told by a law enforcement source that you could use an iPhone without an Apple ID signed in.

Yesterday, my boss bought me a new company phone. He went to the AT&T store where my friend is the manager. She has my Apple ID and password in her own personal notes because she does things for me from time to time with my Apple account. She and my boss discussed some phone related things, she called to tell me what they were doing with my new phone, and I asked her to please sign me in on the new phone so that it would be ready when I got it.

I used the phone to accept calls on several times yesterday from new customers with my job.

Only after I got home, and tried to update my personal phone and new company phone, did I realize my new phone was not signed in. There were no available apps or updates in the App Store. Once I signed in, it showed me that I had several updates to factory installed apps, and I was able to download additional apps. I had saved information into Contacts for new calls I had received. My friend told me that those contacts saved to the SIM card, and I would need to import them into my iCloud contacts if I wanted to be able to keep them across all of my devices.

So, yes. You can use an iPhone without being signed in on an Apple ID. It's just limited in what you an do with it. It doesn't sound like PaPaw really cared much about the use of technology.


*All statements are that of my own opinion unless otherwise specified.*

 

[eekasaur]

Just finished the whole thread. Pmerle00, I am so sorry that you and your family are having to endure all of this. Please know that we are all fighting right here with you. We need to find Papaw! The Websleuths community is full of kind hearted people, and I know that many of us have really enjoyed learning about what a great man your Papaw is. Thank you for sharing these little glimpses of his life with us.

I kept a running record of questions I had as I was reading...many of them got answered, and many points I wanted to make got made by you guys just as I was coming up with them. Great minds think alike, and the bouncing of ideas off each other is resulting in some great theories. Keep it coming.

I agree...Papaw didn't seem the least bit interested in technology. Although I have heard of people going "off the grid" to start a new life (and I guess it's possible), I don't think that's the case here. I don't think he would have taken his phone and taken a Sim card out of it so he could get a new one. Speaking of that...what cell service does he have? For example, Verizon doesn't even use Sim cards (that's the carrier I use). I'm not sure if that's important, but it may rule out some theories to know that information.

I'd be interested to know if he made it home in a reasonable time frame. The receipt and Walmart cameras are timestamped, no doubt...I'm wondering if he came straight home, or went somewhere else. I guess for now, we don't know. We may never know.

Regarding the license...it could be a coincidence it's missing. A crazy coincidence, but...I know I've dropped my license without knowing it before, only to have someone tell me I dropped something. Maybe it got dropped somewhere. Far fetched since we don't think he used the license for anything, but...I don't know. Is it confirmed that he did NOT use his license in Walmart? It'd be more likely that it got dropped/lost if he did in fact use it, since it would have been removed from his wallet for a bit.

I, too, am interested in knowing how old that blood is. My papa also had a shed out back, and my grandma rarely went out into the shed. If there was blood in it, she wouldn't have been able to narrow down how old it was...there would be months at a time when she never went back there. I hope LE looked into how old the blood was, because if it is old, it could just be a red herring in this case (although now that I think of it, who would leave blood in their shed like that? Probably not Papaw, it sounds like he takes pride in his hobby, and his shed is his workplace for that hobby). Interesting that a dowel had his blood. I'm wondering how large this dowel is, and how the blood is on it...dripped, smeared, etc. Could be another red herring.

Papaw definitely is smart enough to leave the wallet and keys to send a message, signal that something is not right. I wouldn't rule that theory out at all.

My last thought...because the keys were in the shed, and the shed was locked...IF Papaw is the one who closed that locked door, and ASSUMING he didn't accidentally lock himself out (a fair assumption, seeing as he's never done that before), he had to know that there was no way back into his house or shed without his keys. I think that is a crucial point to think about. Of course, it could be that someone ELSE left the items and closed the shed door. But if it was Papaw...he had to know he wasn't going back into the house or shed.

Everything is MOO, IMO, etc.

 

[NewMama]

Just finished reading the thread & had a far-fetched scenario. If Mr. Chambers was retired from the fire department - maybe he was part of an investigation that resulted in a conviction. Someone was released and this was retaliation?

Other thoughts/musings:
-Did the home have an alarm system? If so, was it used consistently? Only at night? Or any time they left the property?
-It was mentioned neighborhood camera footage was checked out and nothing found. Does this mean there was a camera pointing at the street? Can this be confirmed?
-I wonder if Mr. Chambers was the victim of foul play that he took his DL as a quick means of identification. (That makes me sad to think he might have been aware of his fate if this was foul play.)

 

[eekasaur]

Something else I thought of...the phone has been referred to as going "dark" very early on. What exactly does this mean? I'm assuming it means it's broken, as opposed to just died, because don't dead phones still triangulate? Sorry, I'm not very familiar with this. I'm just thinking...if it stopped receiving signal early on, what could have happened to it? Water damage, physical damage...and why?

 

[Razz]

Something else I thought of...the phone has been referred to as going "dark" very early on. What exactly does this mean? I'm assuming it means it's broken, as opposed to just died, because don't dead phones still triangulate? Sorry, I'm not very familiar with this. I'm just thinking...if it stopped receiving signal early on, what could have happened to it? Water damage, physical damage...and why?

Or battery removed?

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[eekasaur]

Or battery removed?

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Good thinking. It's known Papaw had an iPhone...how easy are those to remove the batteries from?

 

[SavetheQueen]

Something else I thought of...the phone has been referred to as going "dark" very early on. What exactly does this mean? I'm assuming it means it's broken, as opposed to just died, because don't dead phones still triangulate? Sorry, I'm not very familiar with this. I'm just thinking...if it stopped receiving signal early on, what could have happened to it? Water damage, physical damage...and why?

From what I gather, the phone stopped transmitting GPS soon after MC went missing.

And yes, a phone will still transmit GPS either until the battery is removed, or it's damaged or destroyed. Also, some types of buildings and awnings with block the signal. A metal, or thick brick type building, underground, etc. Parking under the metal overhead at my job blocks mine. So does driving up at a Sonic.


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[Razz]

Good thinking. It's known Papaw had an iPhone...how easy are those to remove the batteries from?

Oops, I think it takes a special tool and you have to take it to an Apple store?!

Also, what if you don't have the GPS on?

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[samsmom]

I think nowadays it isn't easy to remove a battery from an iphone. I have a sinking (sorry) feeling that he may be in water. Hope not, hope he took a break. IMO

 

[SavetheQueen]

Oops, I think it takes a special tool and you have to take it to an Apple store?!

Also, what if you don't have the GPS on?

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All modern day phones emit some level of GPS transmission as long as there is a battery in it. If the battery goes dead, it still transmits for a short time. You can disable the "smart GPS", the one that will give your location with a very small radius, but the lower level GPS is still active. The difference is around 3' for the smart level, and around 10' for the lower level. This has to do with 911 emergency guidelines. Phones and GPS have come a long way in the past 5 years especially. As for the battery power in an iPhone and others that you can't really remove it, like I said, even with a dead battery, it still sends a signal until the reserve power is gone (a day or two usually), or the phone is in a location where it can't send or get a signal.

I hate to say it, but I concur with thinking he's submerged, or in some other location where the phone can't transmit a signal (in the ground).


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[LaneGirl]

All modern day phones emit some level of GPS transmission as long as there is a battery in it. If the battery goes dead, it still transmits for a short time. You can disable the "smart GPS", the one that will give your location with a very small radius, but the lower level GPS is still active. The difference is around 3' for the smart level, and around 10' for the lower level. This has to do with 911 emergency guidelines. Phones and GPS have come a long way in the past 5 years especially. As for the battery power in an iPhone and others that you can't really remove it, like I said, even with a dead battery, it still sends a signal until the reserve power is gone (a day or two usually), or the phone is in a location where it can't send or get a signal.

I hate to say it, but I concur with thinking he's submerged, or in some other location where the phone can't transmit a signal (in the ground).


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I ask this respectfully...how can a dead battery still transmit? Do you have a link to this information?

As a side note I'm also googling to see...

 

[SavetheQueen]

I ask this respectfully...how can a dead battery still transmit? Do you have a link to this information?

As a side note I'm also googling to see...

It doesn't transmit for very long. Like I stated, a day, maybe two. When your phone dies, there's not enough power to run the operating system and apps on your phone. That doesn't mean that background data isn't still transmitted until every bit of the power is finally gone from it.

I have a very close family member in law enforcement who's sole job is digital forensics. I'm relaying what that person is telling me. I hope Google provides you with what you're looking for. [emoji846]


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