Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

[Ninja Bunny]

I see what you're saying.
I took the "snowflake" comment to be her mimicking what the "good ole boys club" would say in response to a complaint about sexual harassment.

It's difficult to ascertain the tone of written comments especially if you don't personally know the person commenting and if the commenter uses: /s. /sarc, etc. to clarify.
JMO.

I was there in the thread in real time interacting with her. I have a few screenshots. When specifically asked, she said her post was not sarcasm (I have a screenshot of this) and said this is the reality of the culture we live in if we want to serve our country. I don’t know if I’m allowed to comment further on her other comments in that thread but let’s just say she made a very bad impression on me. I don’t think she’s a good person. I wouldn’t want her to teach my child in college or command my child in the military. I think she’s very much part of the problem.

 

[lamlawindy]

I saw Guillen family attorney Natalie Khawam's June 27 statement that Ft. Hood officials were "not being transparent" with the Guillen family and the heart-rending statement by Lupe Guillen on Thursday where she said that Ft. Hood officials "lied to our faces every single day."

I've been trying to determine
(a) what lies were told
(b) to who and
(c) by who

I'm trying to figure out if the Guillen family is alleging (1) an active attempt at covering up something in this case or (2) that the reporting system is inadequate because of the possibility of retaliation by superiors.

I know that the Guillen family is crushed; they are experiencing the unimaginable. However, the allegations made by the Guillens and their attorney need to be taken seriously. The first step, though, is to find out just what exactly those allegations consist of.

 

[Seattle1]

I was there in the thread in real time interacting with her. I have a few screenshots. When specifically asked, she said her post was not sarcasm. She said this is the reality of the culture we live in if we want to serve our country. I don’t know if I’m allowed to comment further on her other comments in that thread but let’s just say she made a very bad impression on me.

I understand Lt Col BS made this comment in a private FB group called Veteran Humor. Did anybody in the group find this sentiment funny? I get the sense that BS has difficulty with younger, attractive women. Bad impression indeed.

 

[Satchie]

I saw Guillen family attorney Natalie Khawam's June 27 statement that Ft. Hood officials were "not being transparent" with the Guillen family and the heart-rending statement by Lupe Guillen on Thursday where she said that Ft. Hood officials "lied to our faces every single day."

I've been trying to determine
(a) what lies were told
(b) to who and
(c) by who

I'm trying to figure out if the Guillen family is alleging (1) an active attempt at covering up something in this case or (2) that the reporting system is inadequate because of the possibility of retaliation by superiors.

I know that the Guillen family is crushed; they are experiencing the unimaginable. However, the allegations made by the Guillens and their attorney need to be taken seriously. The first step, though, is to find out just what exactly those allegations consist of.

Another complication is the necessity for secrecy during a murder investigation, families frequently complain they feel shut out and are told nothing.

IMO, the sexual harassment issue actually has nothing to do with the murder, it was the family's theory because they didn't have any other information. Time will tell.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I saw Guillen family attorney Natalie Khawam's June 27 statement that Ft. Hood officials were "not being transparent" with the Guillen family and the heart-rending statement by Lupe Guillen on Thursday where she said that Ft. Hood officials "lied to our faces every single day."

I've been trying to determine
(a) what lies were told
(b) to who and
(c) by who

I'm trying to figure out if the Guillen family is alleging (1) an active attempt at covering up something in this case or (2) that the reporting system is inadequate because of the possibility of retaliation by superiors.

I know that the Guillen family is crushed; they are experiencing the unimaginable. However, the allegations made by the Guillens and their attorney need to be taken seriously. The first step, though, is to find out just what exactly those allegations consist of.

For anybody doubting VG's mother and/or her comprehension of what was happening to her daughter, this is the full presser on June 24 at Ft Hood after the family's lawyer and congresswoman met with the top brass to request answers.

Mrs. Guillen tells the audience that she did not attend the meeting but got out of her sickbed to talk to the media and ask for the public's help. She demanded the Army produce her daughter alive because she delivered her daughter to the Army alive, fit, ready, and willing to serve her country. (Mother speaks another 15 mins on being stonewalled by CID). Now, given the facts of what happened to VG, it's shattering to listen to the early pleas from VS's family.

KTBC FOX 7 Austin

Guillen's family, their attorney, and U.S. Rep. Sylvia Garcia spoke to media after meeting with Ft. Hood officials. STORY: https://bit.ly/3eyl2Ri

Presser by US Rep Syliva Garcia dating back to June 24 is probably a good starting point.

(I'm concerned that Attorney Khawam is a bit too devoted to self-drama and/or promotion. She already has the country's attention-- it's time for just the facts).

MOO

 

[Ninja Bunny]

I understand Lt Col BS made this comment in a private FB group called Veteran Humor. Did anybody in the group find this sentiment funny? I get the sense that BS has difficulty with younger, attractive women. Bad impression indeed.

Veteran Humor is a public FB page with over 300,000 likes. Virtually everyone in the thread was calling her out. I think she definitely has problems. IMO many of her responses were condescending taunts, it looked to me like she was having fun toying with people and making fun of their outrage. It was so gross. I would rather be taught by Dolores Umbridge.

 

[Boxer]

I saw Guillen family attorney Natalie Khawam's June 27 statement that Ft. Hood officials were "not being transparent" with the Guillen family and the heart-rending statement by Lupe Guillen on Thursday where she said that Ft. Hood officials "lied to our faces every single day."

I've been trying to determine
(a) what lies were told
(b) to who and
(c) by who

I'm trying to figure out if the Guillen family is alleging (1) an active attempt at covering up something in this case or (2) that the reporting system is inadequate because of the possibility of retaliation by superiors.

I know that the Guillen family is crushed; they are experiencing the unimaginable. However, the allegations made by the Guillens and their attorney need to be taken seriously. The first step, though, is to find out just what exactly those allegations consist of.

Absolutely.

VG was counted present at a roll call on 4/22. I don't know what time of day that was morning or evening or midday.

Sister said she called unit about VG being missing 4/22, says they don't acknowledge that she started a complaint about VG being missing 4/22.

Army had VGs family meet with Robinson, as her supervisor.

---He has to be a sergeant to be her unit supervisor-- this is a huge mismatch. AR was fulfilling sergeant E5 duties, but Army keeps referring to him as a Specialist, E4.

And this is truly grotesque:
Sister reports at this meeting Robinson laughed in her face at her worries.

Thats all for now.

 

[rkendmar]

I was there in the thread in real time interacting with her. I have a few screenshots. When specifically asked, she said her post was not sarcasm (I have a screenshot of this) and said this is the reality of the culture we live in if we want to serve our country. I don’t know if I’m allowed to comment further on her other comments in that thread but let’s just say she made a very bad impression on me. I don’t think she’s a good person. I wouldn’t want her to teach my child in college or command my child in the military. I think she’s very much part of the problem.

Thanks so much for clarifying this for me.
It's really troubling that a military officer, especially one who is teaching/training college students going into the military, would believe that accepting abuse is necessary if one wants to serve their country.
This is very sick thinking, IMO.

 

[Ninja Bunny]

Thanks so much for clarifying this for me.
It's really troubling that a military officer, especially one who is teaching/training college students going into the military, would believe that accepting abuse is necessary if one wants to serve their country.
This is very sick thinking, IMO.

It is. IMO not only is she shaming victims for being abused, she’s giving permission for future abuse and violence against women to happen. She’s disgusting. IMO, Vanessa Guillen is dead because of people like her.

 

[rkendmar]

It is. IMO not only is she shaming victims for being abused, she’s giving permission for future abuse and violence against women to happen. She’s disgusting. IMO, Vanessa Guillen is dead because of people like her.

I agree.
IMO, it sounds as if this attitude is deeply ingrained in the culture.
I am at a loss to know how to 'fix' it.

 

[Boxer]

Another complication is the necessity for secrecy during a murder investigation, families frequently complain they feel shut out and are told nothing.

IMO, the sexual harassment issue actually has nothing to do with the murder, it was the family's theory because they didn't have any other information. Time will tell.

MOO

Do you believe CAs account then?

 

[lamlawindy]

Presser by US Rep Syliva Garcia dating back to June 24 is probably a good starting point.

(I'm concerned that Attorney Khawam is a bit too devoted to self-drama and/or promotion. She already has the country's attention-- it's time for just the facts).

MOO

Oh, boy . A politician isn't exactly the source I was hoping for. Thanks, though. I'll listen to her press conferences on YouTube.

 

[lamlawindy]

IMO, the sexual harassment issue actually has nothing to do with the murder, it was the family's theory because they didn't have any other information. Time will tell.

MOO

Wait. So you're saying that you believe that a different motive for the murder existed? What motive would that be?

 

[Boxer]

It is. IMO not only is she shaming victims for being abused, she’s giving permission for future abuse and violence against women to happen. She’s disgusting. IMO, Vanessa Guillen is dead because of people like her.

Absolutely.
Clean units do not behave this way. They are straight forward and have high morale.
She is espousing a creepy,"we all know that we don't do things by the book" adhering to some other order than the established and written military order.

Military has reformed before.
It has reformed for men, who were once treated like vermin, the military has had integration reform, and now it is time for the military to reform itself for women.

 

[Ozoner]

It is. IMO not only is she shaming victims for being abused, she’s giving permission for future abuse and violence against women to happen. She’s disgusting. IMO, Vanessa Guillen is dead because of people like her.

BBM
Absolutely. Unfortunately, the military is rife with people like her.
Isn't the army's motto "Be all that you can be?" I guess if you're a woman in the army all that you can be is somebody's rape victim and, in this case, murder victim.

 

[Beans]

A thought on VG’a family perhaps knowing AR was the individual that had been harassing her: it seems extremely unlikely they knew it was him by name given they met with him when they were on the base. The occasion when he “laughed in their faces”. No way they’d be having a discussion like that with someone they thought might have been responsible.

I know her mother mentioned not being told the name despite asking her but there’s been some mixed comments about all that in last few days.

 

[Satchie]

Do you believe CAs account then?

I accept that what is provided by the FBI in the affidavit is factual. I don't think I know more about it than the FBI do, how could I?

 

[Satchie]

Wait. So you're saying that you believe that a different motive for the murder existed? What motive would that be?

I posted about this earlier, IMO this was a sex/violence murder and hide the body by an individual, like very many other sad cases I've followed on here. Here's a very small list, off the top of my head:

Dr. Suzanne Eaton
Mollie Tibbets
Carla Stephaniak
Kim Wall
Amelie Sakkalis
Grace Millane

 

[Boxer]

I accept that what is provided by the FBI in the affidavit is factual. I don't think I know more about it than the FBI do, how could I?

Sorry, not clear, I mean do you believe CA that VG was threatening AR to reveal an affair and killed her because of it.

Or do you believe VGs sister, mother and friends report that she has was being harrassed and was trying to handle it.

 

[Tricia]

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