Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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MsBetsy said:
From very early on it was reported that other soldiers complained about sexual harassment. They can still be witnesses at a trial, even though an official complaint wasn't made.

What needs to change is the environment and culture that prevents wonen from filing official reports.

If Vanessa had felt safe enough to report the harassment, it may have prevented the situation that allowed her to be alone with a male soldier in the first place.

Imo
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Agree. She would have reported confidently instead of hesitating.
 
jondaba said:
I also believe that VG's defense team will be able to prove at trial that VG was not alone in voicing complaints about AR.....

“VG’s defense team”? “Trial”? Huh??!!

“VG was not alone in voicing complaints”??????

what? VG‘s lawyer told the President of the United States that VG it did NOT voice any complaints to the ARMY about AR.
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To be clear, just as you have a right to go to work every day with an implied expectation that you will not enter a room in your workplace and be hammered, bludgeoned, and literally cut into pieces, so does a soldier. Your loves ones also have an expectation that you will return home after work.

VG was not in combat, killed by a gorilla enemy. She was at her post, killed by her superior.

Who would not question the responsibility of the Army?

MOO
 
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Seattle1 said:
To be clear, just as you have a right to go to work every day with an implied expectation that you will not enter a room in your workplace and be hammered, bludgeoned, and literally cut into pieces, so does a soldier. Your loves ones also have an expectation that you will return home after work.

VG was not in combat, killed by a gorilla enemy. She was at her post, killed by her superior.

Who would not question the responsibility of the Army?

MOO
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MsBetsy said:
From very early on it was reported that other soldiers complained about sexual harassment. They can still be witnesses at a trial, even though an official complaint wasn't made.

What needs to change is the environment and culture that prevents wonen from filing official reports.

If Vanessa had felt safe enough to report the harassment, it may have prevented the situation that allowed her to be alone with a male soldier in the first place.

Imo
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What trial are you talking about? Dead victims don’t’ have trials. No defense teams.
 
ShHolmz said:
I’m not associated with the military
So here is my simplified take on things...
The army is made up of soldiers that interact with each other
His behavior did not start the day he murdered Vanessa
I believe other soldiers witnessed his bad behavior prior to this act.
Just my opinion... “ the army” did know.
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Are you saying that in your opinion, the family lawyer lied to the President?
 
Second soldier drowned at Lake Belton and Stillhouse. It does happen every summer though
( never in the news before) , at least few soldiers die... Tubing, jet ski and boating accidents. Sometimes drinking is involved. Civilians do drown every year on the lake too :(
 
jondaba said:
The part where you talk about "VG's defense team"!
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Respectfully, if you understand the origins of "wrongful death lawsuits," it's the victim (not the family) that has a cause of action against the plaintiff as they were the harmed party.

Since the victim is deceased, the family (specific definition of family here) in theory, steps in to act as the decedent. In other words, the suit is VG ("VG's defense team) in care of her family. MOO

Links on the matter previously provided to you.
 
Seattle1 said:
Respectfully, if you understand the origins of "wrongful death lawsuits," it's the victim (not the family) that has a cause of action against the plaintiff as they were the harmed party.

Since the victim is deceased, the family (specific definition of family here) in theory, steps in to act as the decedent. In other words, the suit is VG ("VG's defense team) in care of her family. MOO

Links on the matter previously provided to you.
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Respectfully, you are confused. Neither VG nor her family have anything to defend. Therefore - no “VG defense team”.
When VGs family go for the millions, the lawsuit will be entitled The Estate of VG vs. the USA or something similar.
But in a free country like this, anyone may talk about “VG’s defense team” if he/she needs to. One can also moo up ideas which there is not, so far, any evidentiary basis.
For example, one can insist that AR harassed VG prior to murdering her and that the Army knew it in advance. Then one can moo that the Army let AR kill VG because she was a Latina. Just add JMO and one can turn fantasy into reality.
The moon really IS made a green cheese! JMO!
 
There's a lot of articles about the Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy visiting Ft Hood, giving a presser.
He announced a new initiative "Project Inclusion to address behaviors that tear at the fabric of our force.... issues such as a lack of diversity, discrimination, sexual harassment, sexual assault and suicides."

Army Secretary on Vanessa Guillen: 'We let her down'

Vanessa Guillen update: Army Secretary address 5 Fort Hood deaths | khou.com

‘It hurts:’ Army secretary addresses recent soldier deaths, Fort Hood culture
 
Fort Hood commander's transfer on hold amid investigations | Daily Mail Online

Army leaders have delayed the planned transfer of the Fort Hood commander, as a team of independent investigators heads to the base to determine whether leadership failures contributed to the murder of a soldier earlier this year, and several other deaths.

Maj. Gen. Scott Efflandt, commander of Fort Hood, Texas, was slated to go to Fort Bliss, which is near El Paso, and take over leadership of the 1st Armored Division. Command of a division is a key step in an Army officer's career. The Army said in a statement Friday that he will now stay at Fort Hood, as Army leaders consider whether there were systemic problems at the base, and who should be held accountable.

*continued at link.
 
@Seattle1 - Have a note on my stuff to ask after July 31st if there are any updates for a court hearing! :)

TIA!
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Niner said:
@Seattle1 - Have a note on my stuff to ask after July 31st if there are any updates for a court hearing! :)

TIA!
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Here you go...

An extension requested and granted to Aug 11, 2020 for Govt to respond to the gag order motion by the defense (see quote below).

No hearings scheduled.

U.S. District Court [LIVE]
Western District of Texas (Waco)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 6:20-cr-00097-ADA All Defendants

Case title: USA v. Aguilar
Magistrate judge case number: 6:20-mj-00141-JCM

Date Filed: 07/14/2020

[..]

07/27/2020 #23
MOTION FOR ORDER PROHIBITING PREJUDICIAL EXTRAJUDICIAL STATEMENTS by Cecily Ann Aguilar. (Attachments: # 1 Sealed Document Exhibit 1)(Gainor, Lewis) (Entered: 07/27/2020)

08/03/2020 Text Order MOOTING #24 Motion as to Cecily Ann Aguilar (1) Entered by Judge Jeffrey C. Manske. The Clerk of the Court has conferred with counsel about the procedure for filing documents under seal. As such, the instant Motion is now moot. (This is a text-only entry generated by the court. There is no document associated with this entry.) (jhg) (Entered: 08/03/2020)

08/07/2020 #25 MOTION for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply as to 23 MOTION FOR ORDER PROHIBITING PREJUDICIAL EXTRAJUDICIAL STATEMENTS by USA as to Cecily Ann Aguilar. (Frazier, Mark) (Entered: 08/07/2020)

08/07/2020 Text Order GRANTING #25 Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply as to Cecily Ann Aguilar (1) Entered by Judge Jeffrey C. Manske. The government's deadline to respond is extended to August 11, 2020. (This is a text-only entry generated by the court. There is no document associated with this entry.) (jhg) (Entered: 08/07/2020)

Niner said:
Aguilar attorney files motion for gag order in Guillen case

July 30, 2020

The attorney for a Killeen woman charged in the death case of Fort Hood Spc. Vanessa Guillen is asking a federal judge to impose a gag order in the case.

The case of Guillen has transfixed a local, national and international audience since the young Fort Hood soldier was reported missing earlier this year, her remains found last month in a remote area near Belton.
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Aguilar’s attorney, Lewis Berray Gainor, supervisory assistant federal public defender, said in his motion that the gag order should be imposed because the statements made by the family and their attorney, Natalie Khawam, could poison the jury pool and prevent Aguilar from receiving a fair trial.

The 14-page motion was filed on July 27. If granted by a judge, “trial participants, including the parties, witnesses, victim’s family and their attorneys” would be barred from “public communication.”

As of Thursday, no hearings have been set on United States Magistrate Judge Jeffrey Manske’s calendar in Aguilar’s case.
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jondaba said:
"A place manned by a soldier that she was known to have complained about harrassing her."

Keep repeating this falsehoold over and over about VG having complained to the Army about AR. Maybe someday it will beccome true!
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It is not false.

No one I have seen here said she reported the egregious behavior to the Army.
I did not say she reported the egregious behavior to the Army.

The military police however were aware she had reported it to friends and family, torn about taking the step of reporting, from the outset of their investigation.
 
I can understand people drowning in lakes or having water related accidents. But I will say this, as with colleges the military has a responsibility to make sure that these young recruits are informed about the communities they will be interfacing with, the issues that are on base (colleges have Title 9), and hazards that are present. They have recruits coming from all over the US, some of whom may not have lived in a large community or in that climate previously. Here at WS, we have had too many conversations about college students being killed or dying because of issues that are inherent to the cultures that they have entered--over drinking, pervasive drug use, a bar area that caters to underage drinking, issues of rape and sexual abuse. I am not sure that these last few men were murdered but heck if they were out on a lake (possibly drinking) and their peers are clueless about water safety or are intoxicated and this was a college town, there would be a demand for immediate change and people would want the college to be held to account. Time for the armed services to figure out how to keep the 18-23 year olds safe through education, training, alternate activities or whatever. Maybe they should not recruit people under 21 if they can't put safety training and plans in place.
 
Boxer said:
It is not false.

No one I have seen here said she reported the egregious behavior to the Army.
I did not say she reported the egregious behavior to the Army.

The military police however were aware she had reported it to friends and family, torn about taking the step of reporting, from the outset of their investigation.
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