TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #27

[Treelights]

I hope I'm correctly replying with quote. I totally respect your view, Treelights. I'm a complete outsider to this.

To answer your question. Weeks and weeks ago, I would have sleuthed. (Which I've done professionally, though not in a murder case.)
Go to Biloxi, with pictures, ask questions that would verify alibi and perhaps provide insight into mood/behavior.
Find CG campers who knew Missy and were aware of her pre-class routine. Ask about that idea she "wasn't herself" in days/weeks before murder. (The gym owner suggested as much, though I can't recall hearing anything from him since.)
Go the gym. Ask the gym owner what he meant and why he said it.
Talk to people who attended Austin conference. What did they see? Who was she with?
Find a friend of Missy's who will talk to you.
There is a portrait here that could be painted of a woman, a married mother of 3, a fitness fanatic (I write that with admiration), who was murdered. From a distance, I'm surprised not to have read/seen that side of all of this. And, no, I don't count articles -- such as in national magazines -- that simply quote people who may/may not be paid in return.

Thanks for your response.

With all the articles I have read and TV interviews, that was my impression that some of these questions were asked and answered.

I guess my interpretation is different.

Hopefully there will be an update soon with More info.

IMOO.

 

[wgram]

:HHJP: Marking my spot

 

[Dollcat]

Interview with Peter Schulte. Do we have the written transcript of the Peter Schulte interview done last week?

 

[DeDee]

Hi all...I am new here as well. I joined just to follow this case. Being a pastor, it's mind blowing that a crime like this would take place in a church. Your comments and insights have been great to follow...thanks.

How wonderful to awaken to see not only a Pastor but also an Attorney has joined our discussion! Thank you, Pastor Phil, and welcome!

I totally agree with you in that more than anything, the murder taking place inside a Church garnered my attention to this case. Other than the tragic mass shooting inside a church, this is the only murder, that I'm aware of, that took place inside a Church, although there certainly could be others.

If I may ask for an opinion, it would be this. In my mind, I am thinking along the lines of God sending His only Son to die for people's sins to be forgiven. What are your educated thoughts of ritual killing or human sacrifice, especially in a church setting, to punish a perceived sinner?

What does it mean if animals are sacrificed? Human and animal sacrifices are rare in North America as Christian religions in the USA do not participate in such practices. I suppose what I want to know is that if a human is offered, in a ritualistic manner, to punish a sinner would that be perhaps followed by the sacrifice of a beloved animal to atone for perceived sins?

Please know that I am not implying any person, in particular, performing both acts but, perhaps, an unsub performed the first killing, and another allowed the other which could certainly be an unavoidable accident and not ritualistic. Admittedly, I could so wrong about this line of thought. Your insight is appreciated.

"Human sacrifice was practiced by many ancient cultures. People would be ritually killed in a manner that was supposed to please or appease a god or spirit."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice

According to Patrick Tierney, author of "The Highest Altar: The story of human sacrifice":
“Blood sacrifice is the oldest and most universal act of piety. The offering of animals, including the human animal, dates back at least twenty thousand years, and, depending on how you read the scanty archaeological evidence, arguably back to the earliest appearance of humanity.”
http://www.amoxtli.org/cuezali/spaper.html

 

[Spartygirl]

We need BatBrat to add these hairstyles if it's not too much work:
The "Friends" hairstyle worn Jennifer A aka the "Jennifer"
A wind blown shag (ala Farrah F)
The Doroth* Hamill
The Mohawk
The Bruce Will*s shaved head look
A crew cut
A beehive (as Brat suggested)
Dreadlocks

I think that covers it. That should be easy.
:razz:

Hahahahaha.. Then once the hair styles are mastered, we can play makeover with the hair COLORS !! LOL:great:

I have a few in mind !!

 

[DeDee]

Regarding the Reward:

The FBI often offers a reward in many cases:

$25,000 reward
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/0...-offers-25k-reward-to-help-solve-09-case.html

12 days ago
$10,000 reward
https://www.fbi.gov/lasvegas/press-...-10-000-reward-in-armed-robbery-investigation

$5000 reward
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/31/fbi-offers-5000-reward-after-bacon-found-at-vegas-mosque.html

June 2
$10,000 reward
http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/32123533/fbi-offers-reward

April 16
$25.000 reward
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/new...uri-theft-warhol-prints-134856225.html?ref=gs

May 31
$10,000 reward
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/may/31/fbi-offers-reward-robbery-of-rolex-store-on-strip/

May 5
$5000 reward
http://www.wbtv.com/story/31899349/fbi-offers-reward-expands-search-for-woman-missing-for-5-years

Jan 2015
$25,000 reward
https://www.fbi.gov/memphis/press-r...ward-in-jessica-chambers-murder-investigation

List of current FBI rewards
https://www.fbi.gov/fbi-search#outp...ssica-chambers-murder-investigation&q=rewards


Why hasn't the FBI offered a reward for information leading to Missy's killer? I phoned the Dallas FBI Field Office this morning to suggest that they offer a reward for Missy's killer.
FBI Dallas
One Justice Way
Dallas, Texas 75220
dallas.fbi.gov
(972) 559-5000

 

[CorallaroC]

How wonderful to awaken to see not only a Pastor but also an Attorney has joined our discussion! Thank you, Pastor Phil, and welcome!

I totally agree with you in that more than anything, the murder taking place inside a Church garnered my attention to this case. Other than the tragic mass shooting inside a church, this is the only murder, that I'm aware of, that took place inside a Church, although there certainly could be others.

If I may ask for an opinion, it would be this. In my mind, I am thinking along the lines of God sending His only Son to die for people's sins to be forgiven. What are your educated thoughts of ritual killing or human sacrifice, especially in a church setting, to punish a perceived sinner?

What does it mean if animals are sacrificed? Human and animal sacrifices are rare in North America as Christian religions in the USA do not participate in such practices. I suppose what I want to know is that if a human is offered, in a ritualistic manner, to punish a sinner would that be perhaps followed by the sacrifice of a beloved animal to atone for perceived sins?

Please know that I am not implying any person, in particular, performing both acts but, perhaps, an unsub performed the first killing, and another allowed the other which could certainly be an unavoidable accident and not ritualistic. Admittedly, I could so wrong about this line of thought. Your insight is appreciated.

Hi DeDee, I can appreciate your post and links very much. Especially b/c there is some question about a public post made by a possible POI in this case. I did not read their post, and I am sure we cannot go into detail who wrote it. But I guess that is the main reason I am jumping in here with my opinion.

In general, I do not think modern people have much of a grasp on the very,very deeply rooted concept of human "scapegoating". It is so very prevalent in our so called modern-society, made even worse by the concept of "political correctness". If that sounds like an oxymoron, I would encourage a re-think. Just because we don't have a society where virgins are sacrificed at the edge of volcanoes, or animals are not riitualistcally placed on altars, or other drastic practices - I really do think that most people in our society ar oblivious to the very REAL psychological principle of SCAPEGOATING. Scapegoating happens all the time on an emotional level even without murder, even without physical maiming, even without any conscious awareness by perpetrators.

Basically put, when one casts blame on another and inflicts punishment - are they not essentially scapegoating? Who gets to decide if the blaming or scapegoating is justified or not? Well, in scapegoating fashion, the scapegoater decides for him/herself. They take it upon theirself to dish out punishment or revenge and then decide what will make theirself feel better, feel RELIEVED of the sin, or badness. Sorta human nature, but most of us learn that is not the path. I must shut up now, this is too philosophical, leaning too much toward religious beliefs.

My point, in conclusion, is that there need not be some sort of conscious belief or practice about so called "sacrifices" for these things to be happening in periphery of this case. People do odd things when faced with extraordinary emotional circumstances. Odd coincidences tend to happen also. We don't have time to spend a lifetime trying to understand these things in a case such as this. Many years from now, yes, it all might make sense. But for now, I think it is very speculative to consider - for this case to go to court to prosecute the killer, it will take hard facts.

We all know this deep down. So, of course it is only natural for people to wonder about the scapegoat principle....

Peace

 

[Dollcat]

Regarding the Reward:

The FBI often offers a reward in many cases:

$25,000 reward
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/0...-offers-25k-reward-to-help-solve-09-case.html

12 days ago
$10,000 reward
https://www.fbi.gov/lasvegas/press-...-10-000-reward-in-armed-robbery-investigation

$5000 reward
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/31/fbi-offers-5000-reward-after-bacon-found-at-vegas-mosque.html

June 2
$10,000 reward
http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/32123533/fbi-offers-reward

April 16
$25.000 reward
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/new...uri-theft-warhol-prints-134856225.html?ref=gs

May 31
$10,000 reward
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/may/31/fbi-offers-reward-robbery-of-rolex-store-on-strip/

May 5
$5000 reward
http://www.wbtv.com/story/31899349/fbi-offers-reward-expands-search-for-woman-missing-for-5-years

Jan 2015
$25,000 reward
https://www.fbi.gov/memphis/press-r...ward-in-jessica-chambers-murder-investigation

List of current FBI rewards
https://www.fbi.gov/fbi-search#outp...ssica-chambers-murder-investigation&q=rewards


Why hasn't the FBI offered a reward for information leading to Missy's killer? I phoned the Dallas FBI Field Office this morning to suggest that they offer a reward for Missy's killer.
FBI Dallas
One Justice Way
Dallas, Texas 75220
dallas.fbi.gov
(972) 559-5000

Were you able to speak to anyone? Are you local? If so, are you familiar with the Kendra Hatcher murder? When the reward $$'s went to $100K, someone turned Brenda Delgado in a few days later. A significant amount of money raining makes many people sign like canaries. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't one of Delgado's family or acquaintances who turned her in.

 

[gliving]

I hope I'm correctly replying with quote. I totally respect your view, Treelights. I'm a complete outsider to this.

To answer your question. Weeks and weeks ago, I would have sleuthed. (Which I've done professionally, though not in a murder case.)
Go to Biloxi, with pictures, ask questions that would verify alibi and perhaps provide insight into mood/behavior.
Find CG campers who knew Missy and were aware of her pre-class routine. Ask about that idea she "wasn't herself" in days/weeks before murder. (The gym owner suggested as much, though I can't recall hearing anything from him since.)
Go the gym. Ask the gym owner what he meant and why he said it.
Talk to people who attended Austin conference. What did they see? Who was she with?
Find a friend of Missy's who will talk to you.
There is a portrait here that could be painted of a woman, a married mother of 3, a fitness fanatic (I write that with admiration), who was murdered. From a distance, I'm surprised not to have read/seen that side of all of this. And, no, I don't count articles -- such as in national magazines -- that simply quote people who may/may not be paid in return.

I'm so glad you joined us here at WS GummyWorm. I enjoyed reading your perspective as a person working with the media. I have a question that perhaps you can answer. I've heard national magazine often pay very well for exclusive stories. Would you have any idea how much one might be compensated? Thanks!

 

[GumshoeLoves]

Hello all,
I am new here, first time posting but have been lurking for awhile here.
This case both fascinates and horrifies me. I am absolutely amazed at the incredible talents of all of you sleuthers!
I am surprised that an arrest hasn't been made in this case.
I'm leaning towards a hired hit because I believe that LE would surely have the evidence needed to name a suspect by now if the swat perp was anyone named on the SW.
Surely there would be MB DNA in the swat perps car. I'm assuming that all named in the SW would have had their vehicles searched for DNA.
How about the swat gear clothing??? Where the heck is it? It hasn't been found and I would assume that lakes and garbage dumps have been searched. I would assume that those named in the SW would have had their computers , cell phones and social media checked. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I would assume that if the swat perp is one of those in the SW that LE would have the forensics needed to name a suspect by now.

 

[neesaki]

This is what I got using light room this time. Playing with the exposure and bumping the black and whites up and down. I just haven't a clue.

Sent from my iPhone

I see white dog with black ears sitting in front of something, a firetruck maybe ?

 

[Dollcat]

I see white dog with black ears sitting in front of something, a firetruck maybe ?

Does it look like it's flying? Kinda like a dog with a cape extending his front paws?

 

[DeDee]

It still looks like a guy standing in front of a vehicle like a bus or firetruck to me.

Thank you, cfreyja23, for joining our discussion. I hope you won't mind if we ask you legal questions from time to time.

:welcome4:

 

[GummyWorms]

I'm so glad you joined us here at WS GummyWorm. I enjoyed reading your perspective as a person working with the media. I have a question that perhaps you can answer. I've heard national magazine often pay very well for exclusive stories. Would you have any idea how much one might be compensated? Thanks!

Hi gliving! I don't know, so I asked a few colleagues & here's our educated guess:
If there are multiple stories & any suggestion of exclusivity -- "told xyz magazine" -- there is probably payment.
If the person/family has representation, there is probably payment.
Payment for these stories is likely in the four-figure range, perhaps $2500-$7500, totally JMO.
I'm not judging anyone here, just to be clear. I make a living based on people talking to me!

 

[brooketxs73]

Does it look like it's flying? Kinda like a dog with a cape extending his front paws?

I have always thought it was a soccer ball


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[DeDee]

Were you able to speak to anyone? Are you local? If so, are you familiar with the Kendra Hatcher murder? When the reward $$'s went to $100K, someone turned Brenda Delgado in a few days later. A significant amount of money raining makes many people sign like canaries. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't one of Delgado's family or acquaintances who turned her in.

Dollcat, I am not local; however, my daughter owns a home that she rents in the Highlands in Dallas. Therefore, I followed the Zoe Hastings murder closely.

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I have not followed the Dr. Kendra Hatcher murder closely but know a few details. TX has a numerous murders that have been of interest. IE., Christina Morris
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/07/police-hunt-clues-in-case-missing-texas-woman.html is a missing female that I've sleuthed with others on another social media site.

I did speak to a Dallas Field Director who made a note to pass along for discussion to determine if a reward is warranted. I was hoping others would call the FBI to request a reward since I posted their ph#.

FBI Dallas
One Justice Way
Dallas, Texas 75220
dallas.fbi.gov
(972) 559-5000

 

[Sparky]

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[ocgrad]

With all due respect to the image manipulators, I don't think the image on the sticker really matters. The conversation assumes that we're going to have to sift between all these Altimas, and I don't think so. In fact, I challenge anyone to find the following combo and post a pic here, because I don't think anyone can find it at all:

1 Oval sticker WITH ANY IMAGE on a car
2 Directly below license plate
3 Light colored car
4 Nissan Altima
5 2010-12 year
6 In Texas

I think you'll have a hard time even finding an oval sticker below the license on a car, period. But if you do, how far down the list can you go, before being stumped? Take a pic. But the first qualifier being oval sticker, and 2nd being centered below the plate, to even qualify for a pic at all.

I have looked for an oval image on a car below license plate, period, and they are super rare. Looked at thousands of cars as I drive, and when I go into parking lots, and it's not a thing. (So far, I've seen ZERO oval stickers centered below license plate, in thousands of cars of any which make and color, and only a few oval stickers anywhere on a car at all.) So imo deciphering the image itself isn't an obstacle, just gotta find any ole under-license oval sticker, which is going to be near impossible all by itself, and then see if it's on a light-colored Altima.

My point of the challenge is to raise awareness of how rare such an oval sticker would be.

Plus the bumper sticker on the far left with a V or W. And the center image does not really appear to be oval when you look closely. Seems odd that LE would certainly have seen both images and known the center is not oval but they referred to it as oval in their press release.

 

[Batbrat]

SteveK, et all... regarding the unrequited love scenario, wouldn't there be a sexual assault involved with that? I do not remember if LE has said there was no sexual assault or if we all assume there was none. Because there was so little time and LE did say the perp killed and left.

Not always. Sometimes romantic interest stalkers have a fixation where they worship or idealize their victim. They believe by killing them they are "saving" them, either from their own behavior or unworthy others.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I'm new here too, and yes, have become addicted in short order!! All of the sleuths are so talented and smart, I will have to gather my nerve for my first post lol!:thinking:

Don't be nervous Lupe~~~we have all gone thru that...LOL Just jump right in and see where you can help out.

By the way...a big :welcome: