TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[Tippy Lynn]

:thinking: I have seen it posted numerious times here at WS on threads about locals passing and seeing MPD at the church (not talking about the night that Glammie and Dental Queen iirc) saw the multiple cars.

I am wondering if the Church is maybe having an officer come out to take a report of people coming to or inside the church taking photos? I have seen that happen /read about it happening on other cases. If I worked there or attended I would be concerned, especially since the Suspect has not been arrested yet. Crazy world we live in. Photos I have shared came from public posted photos, of the Creekside Church of Christ and MSM screen shots.

You're probably right. Seems like crime scenes, accident scenes, ect., seem to attract people. I'm not gonna lie, I'm guilty of this and have driven by a few myself. :blushing:

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I don't believe that LE ever used the term "ambush". If they did, please point me to the reference. Since the murder was not caught on camera, and they could only describe that MB entered the building and proceeded toward the suspect's location, I don't see how they could possibly describe it as an ambush with any certainty.

Here's a source for starters, though I'm sure some expert googling will come up with similar (you can check the media thread - I know I've read those articles):

"Missy Bevers, 45, was found dead inside Creekside Church of Christ last Monday. Police said she was ambushed and died from a blow to the head." http://www.fox4news.com/news/131273502-story

Respectfully regarding shard, Wikipedia is not the dictionary. The dictionary provides synonyms such as:
fragment, sliver, splinter, shiver, chip, piece, bit, particle
"a shard of glass in her heel"

And note the example - pretty sure a shard of glass in your heel is not going to be lethal. So I think it's perfectly fine for anyone to use the term "shard" in either a sharp or non-sharp sense, and this is backed up by dictionary definitions.

And finally, to correct arkansasmimi who said that I had used the term "shard" in a previous discussion. Actually, after searching, I never used that term myself. But I have no problem with using it or seeing others use it in either a lethal or non-lethal sense. There was broken glass that morning near or around MB. That's all we know about that.

I agree, a shard is not necessarily lethal. And this conversation about what to call broken glass is getting needlessly long, probably. The dictionary defines the word (as tycla's post also did). The Wikipedia link I gave you explains the terminology specifically referencing the difference between the two types of glass, and how they each break. My only point (in response to your question) is that when discussing in here whether or not 'shards' of glass could've killed Missy during the struggle at the church, if the broken glass reported by police was from doors and windows being broken, then NO, she would not have died from a 'shard' OR a crumble of that door or window glass...because such glass by code is tempered glass designed to prevent that very hazard.

I mentioned this ( and building code requirements) in response to an earlier post by you that suggested this possibility of death by glass shards during her struggle with SP (I'm remembering the same earlier exchange as Arkansasmimi, I think), but I don't think you saw it. No problem; and I think however we want to refer to CC's broken door/window glass in here, we can all agree--it's not going to be lethal.

So...Kumbaya, and group hug, :grouphug: and I'm off to see a movie with my fella.

 

[No it's not]

NIN - how do you do this! Wonderful. On the east side behind the sanctuary, there are windows on the exterior (arkansasmimi says at least 5 sets - photo below, see dumpster), but your placement looks correct for the long hallway without many doors. storage?

When you have 2 rooms next to each other and each room has 2 windows for example, then those two sets of windows may be located directly next to the wall of separation, like with this room.

At the same time the doors can be located at the far ends of the opposite walls of each room. Now you have 2 far doors in a hallway, but 4 windows next to each other, when looking from outside. JMO

-Nin

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't believe that LE ever used the term "ambush". If they did, please point me to the reference. Since the murder was not caught on camera, and they could only describe that MB entered the building and proceeded toward the suspect's location, I don't see how they could possibly describe it as an ambush with any certainty.

Respectfully regarding shard, Wikipedia is not the dictionary. The dictionary provides synonyms such as:
fragment, sliver, splinter, shiver, chip, piece, bit, particle
"a shard of glass in her heel"

And note the example - pretty sure a shard of glass in your heel is not going to be lethal. So I think it's perfectly fine for anyone to use the term "shard" in either a sharp or non-sharp sense, and this is backed up by dictionary definitions.

And finally, to correct arkansasmimi who said that I had used the term "shard" in a previous discussion. Actually, after searching, I never used that term myself. But I have no problem with using it or seeing others use it in either a lethal or non-lethal sense. There was broken glass that morning near or around MB. That's all we know about that.

While I do not trust MSM, here is a link that reports "ambush"

Missy Bevers, 45, was found dead inside Creekside Church of Christ last Monday. Police said she was ambushed and died from a blow to the head. http://www.fox4news.com/news/131273502-story

 

[rodee34]

What age is the oldest daughter - I think this is a male teenager in the video. JMO

15 yrs old, I've heard on the news.. Nancy Solis was the newscaster.. I have the link somewhere.

 

[GummyWorms]

Now seeing the high quality of SFWA cameras, several of us believe those cameras would have provided LE with the clear view of the Nissan license plate. If I am correct, LE has commented only that the "driver has not come forward." Which makes it possible LE knows who owns the car, right?

 

[Seriously?]

Now seeing the high quality of SFWA cameras, several of us believe those cameras would have provided LE with the clear view of the Nissan license plate. If I am correct, LE has commented only that the "driver has not come forward." Which makes it possible LE knows who owns the car, right?

I agree. And for all we know, there was another car captured in those SWFA videos, as well. I can't recall the exact words of LE when referring to the car, but it seems like they said the car was there for a few minutes and left........didn't say the car never came back or was not seen again.
I'm sorry I don't have that link handy.

 

[gliving]

While I do not trust MSM, here is a link that reports "ambush"

Missy Bevers, 45, was found dead inside Creekside Church of Christ last Monday. Police said she was ambushed and died from a blow to the head. http://www.fox4news.com/news/131273502-story

I'm not sure the word 'ambushed' is cause for debate. Missy was killed within moments of entering the church. I suppose many words would be substituted without losing the meaning that Missy's death was sudden and surprising. eta I guess it could matter if one thought it was a burglar who killed her without premeditation? Someone who was unaware she was coming. tia

"Bevers arrived at the church shortly after 4 AM on Tuesday, April 19 to prepare for a Gladiator Fitness class scheduled for 5 AM. Police believe she was attacked by a suspect clad in police gear mere moments after entering."

http://ktemnews.com/woman-murdered-in-midlothian-texas-church-had-multiple-puncture-wounds/

 

[No it's not]

Nin, Just to make sure so anyone looking at the Suspect in front of the Holy Ground area, IT IS NOT at the front windows that can be seen, but just inside the Covered Awning Door Entrance... Yep other looks good and factual All that flooring where Suspect is seen and the VBS pic same flooring looking from NW side to the SW side is ALL THE MAIN HALLWAY. ... And JMHO as I posted links as backup, that room 12? backs up to the Sanctuary not a room on the outside of the hallway - meaning having windows to the back of the church - East side. I not sure of post number but have links in it will try find for you and repost.

When you look at the one Creekside pic of the genie lift inside the sanctuary, you see the recessed corners and those black double doors adjacent to the wooden color door towards the right. Is it possible, that there is a storage area behind the stage and that that black double door is leading to another separate room and not the hallway? Room # 12?

Those kids rooms are all over the place by the way. They also have 2 nurseries! # 2 and #4:

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[GA_Peach]

I am catching up on 6 pages worth of postings so I apologize in advance for the length of this reply.

NIN, thank you so much for putting together the amazing floorplan with corresponding pictures. I am sure that I will be referencing that many times in the future. It may be helpful to include a picture from inside the auditorium. Up until last night, I thought that it was filled with fixed pews. Thanks again.

GA_Peach, thanks for asking...right now I'm leaning towards SP hiding in the vestibule and killing her there...mainly because it'd provide darker cover and the cameras wouldn't have been activated. As LE have indicated, I believe he killed her "pretty quickly" after she entered the building, probably immobilizing her the minute she entered the vestibule. Here's Batbrat's diagram again showing the camera coverage - you can see that the skinny white rectangular place above the labeled patio area (the vestibule) is the only place free of camera coverage. (I believe there is a 4th camera up in the kitchen hallway as well providing coverage for that east-west hall.)

JMO, but I can't see a situation where he drags her into a room, or lies in wait in a room and kills her there...because at some point that motion or interaction and subsequent exit would have triggered the hall cameras. Besides the kitchen, there's no exit out of any church room without breaking a window or going back into the hallway and setting off the motion detectors and cameras. If SP knew Missy's routine (and I sense he did), he knew she'd enter that vestibule to haul in the equipment she'd just unloaded. He couldn't have been quite as 100% sure she'd enter the restroom that morning. (And IMO he couldn't jump out at her as she walked down the hall without setting off the motion detectors and cameras.) If the restroom is on that west side of the church building, he didn't exit by way of a window (none are seen broken later on that west side), so again, he would've set off the hall cameras exiting the restroom after the murder. But the police have stated there is no cctv of SP after the murder...so JMO, but if he killed her "in the SW interior of the building," the only way I can see SP leaving the crime scene without appearing on camera is via the SW vestibule doors.

So for now, based on what sketchy info we've gotten, I'm deducing he must've exited via those SW doors. If not broken, it'd be my guess that they unlocked after Missy entered the building via key or key code punch. (She herself planned on going out those doors from the inside to haul the equipment in.) *And if SP hung out there in the vestibule waiting to attack her rather than simply fleeing through those doors as she was walking down the hallway, it most certainly was a targeted ambush rather than an interrupted burglary.

All JMO, and my 2-cents.

100% agree with all of this. I am even questioning my theory in the exact same places and for the same reasons as you are. I still haven't ruled out a second person or accomplice though.

There is another possibility...that this is an accomplice's car, but that suspect was dropped off, and accomplice and car did not hang around. Leaving suspect to escape on foot (or via bike/motorbike hidden north of the church property). Personally, I'm leaning toward exit on foot northward along the creek line.

At the current moment in time, I am also leaning toward an exit on foot along North Prong Creek. I would really love to get a sense of that terrain. Based solely on Google Earth, it looks like a good escape route.

3) Why would CID Captain Spann say they speculated that the Suspect left out the same way came in and went on to say the busted metal door?



Link to Transcription by Galadriel and April 18, 2016 Press Conf Video http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12592838#post12592838
JMHO

Snipped by me. I keep getting hung up on this question myself, but it could be as simple as PiorityinMotion's explanation (see quote below).

Frankly, it sounds like to me that at this point and time (within hours of her murder), Spann had no idea how SP left. This statement was from Q & A on that first Monday afternoon presser. When he says "presumably he left the same way he came in," to me that indicates Spann was conjecturing or throwing out a possibility, because there was no evidence found that morning that SP had left by any particular way (door or window).

I say this because this is an off-the-cuff reply to a reporter's question, but this casual, self-interrupting reply is later negated by a formal statement at a later presser that they have no video recording of SP after the murder.

This explanation seems logical enough to me.

Good observation, and an inconsistency that has bugged me. Addressed it a bit in post 74 of this thread. It seems LE has said two different things. At the first presser, within hours of Missy's murder, Spann answered a reporter's question about if the perp was seen leaving the church. His answer consisted of several choppy, incomplete phrases (like he was thinking on his feet), saying in the jumble that SP was seen walking in the hallway, and that "presumably" Swatperp left the way he'd entered...but also saying they had "no evidence" of his leaving via specific door or window of the church.

At a later presser, LE said in their statement that there was no video of the attack or interaction between SP and Missy, nor was the perp seen on video after the attack.

So somehow we need to reconcile those seemingly conflicting statements, and the only thing I can figure is, Spann simply didn't know the answer when asked that during Q&A hours after she was murdered. But after reviewing the video footage, LE was able to say with more certainty the next time around that SP was "not seen" after the murder.

JMO, up for anyone's interpretation.

ETA: I think I see what you're referencing...Missy walking down the hall 'toward where the perp was' - to me that means she entered by way of the main, front (west) door, and walked down toward the SW vestibule, where she was attacked.

I agree, and this inconsistency has baffled me as well. I don't really have anything else to add, but I am definitely hung up on this.

While leaving through the SW doors would certainly be convenient, it would have left SP more vulnerable to being seen. Also, if SP did eventually leave on foot by way of the creek, leaving through the back (North) doors would have made more sense.

I would love to hear some current theories about how SP (and any potential accomplice) left the scene.

PD said that the perp was seen (after the murder) walking down a hallway and the PD PRESUMED he was leaving the same way he came in. Since there's no camera by the door he breached, it's an assumption on their part. JMO

Do you have a link of that? I thought that LE said that the perp was NOT seen on video after the attack.

 

[SteveS]

Now seeing the high quality of SFWA cameras, several of us believe those cameras would have provided LE with the clear view of the Nissan license plate. If I am correct, LE has commented only that the "driver has not come forward." Which makes it possible LE knows who owns the car, right?

It's quite possible. MPD has said that this vehicle is not suspect vehicle (making it just a loose end but relatively NOT that important), they have more info than they have released, and have restrained from releasing more to keep from putting people in danger from "Facebook detectives" who get "worked up."

 

[GummyWorms]

About the Nissan Altima:
"The last remaining lead involves a car that pulls into the SWFA Sporting Goods parking lot at approximately 2 a.m. They're seen pulling into the parking lot and leaving just a few minutes later," (Assistant Chief Kevin) Johnson said. (Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-search-for-vehicle-of-interest-in-texas-church-murder/)

From Facebook, in answer to separate questions:
Midlothian Police Department No, the driver has not come forward (6/9, 10:14 a.m.)
Midlothian Police Department Yes, we know it is a 2010 to 2012 Nissa Altima. (6/13, 4:52 p.m.)
Midlothian Police Department No (6/19, 8:50 p.m.) [Question was: So, to date, no word on the driver/owner of the car??]

 

[No it's not]

Thank you. VERY high quality. I would think cameras of such quality would have captured a clear view of the license plate of that Nissan.
And after seeing the hallways and understanding what leads where in the church, it's hard to believe the cameras there recorded no part of SP's attack on MB. Unless it occurred in a restroom. IMO.

BBM

That's why it is possible the license plate was tempered with/ spray blocked IMO.

-Nin

 

[SteveS]

When you look at the one Creekside pic of the genie lift inside the sanctuary, you see the recessed corners and those black double doors adjacent to the wooden color door towards the right. Is it possible, that there is a storage area behind the stage and that that black double door is leading to another separate room and not the hallway? Room # 12?

Can you add the pic you're talking about, to your post, so we can understand the question better? Thanks.

 

[neesaki]

Yes, I agree that the SP is wearing BDU camouflage pants bloused most likely with blousing rubbers. In minimal shadow or dim light, the camo is intended to look all black and does. I do not think the pants are tucked into the boots. I posted about it back here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...AT-gear-18-Apr-2016-5&p=12509683#post12509683

In the 4/18 presser, they called them BDU pants. In at least one SW they referred to suspect wearing all black.

And you have no 'Sorry' to post! Discuss whatever you think about or notice, discuss it again with fresh eyes and new posters. (except for saran wrap boxes....just kidding)

Thank you, Sandy. I missed your post. So I'm not crazy after all, lol.

 

[gliving]

I wish I knew if Missy was carrying a firearm. It could change things around as far as a death penalty charge. IF it's a fact the perp staged the scene as a burglary to cover their intent to commit murder, and Missy was carrying a gun, then their defense becomes they killed her because she pulled a gun on them. But then it would have to be someone who knew she carried. Clear as mud? lol

:thinking:

 

[lonetraveler]

What are you seeing it propped open with? I'm not seeing an object to hold open and wonder if SP went in/out but sliced video due to LE doesn't show it.

Doors most likely have the kick stops like most large doors have. You just push them in down position with your foot so the door stays open until you flip them back up so the door will close.

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[arkansasmimi]

And finally, to correct arkansasmimi who said that I had used the term "shard" in a previous discussion. Actually, after searching, I never used that term myself. But I have no problem with using it or seeing others use it in either a lethal or non-lethal sense. There was broken glass that morning near or around MB. That's all we know about that.

Respectfully snipped for space

Respectfully BBM
I am def not trying to argue or be rude. Again, I was trying to state LE did not report she had shards of glass around her. The whole conversation was back on last thread. I did not say that Cannonball brought up the word but that you were part of the conversation.

My orig post: again, was in ref to someone stating that

Quote Originally Posted by cfreyja23 View Post
I agree with your theory, but have two questions and would like the input of others. It was reported that she was found with shards of glass around her. Where in the vestibule would the glass come from? The doors?
Also, do you think Missy would have reacted strangely to seeing the inner doors propped open? I take everything that LE says very literally, and don't assume what they do not say is true. So they said they don't have video of the attack, but I wonder if they have video of Missy acting strangely before she encounters SP? If I were approaching some doors that are never open and they were propped open, I would probably look noticeably concerned.

1)http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-30&p=12660604#post12660604 Only place I have seen "shards of glass" is here at WS, where Cannonball and others were speaking of those words. Not from MPD or SW. ** and I am not so sure anymore if the broken glass on the floor was literally around MB, but on the floor maybe in the area of MB. But here is the Official Press Release saying glass was on floor around the female.. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2#post12523272 As this was, as was the SW Affidavits, a summary of the events. There was NO broken glass windows at that area where the entrance/exit of building from the Covered Awning area where MB parked her truck. None was boarded up and none shown busted that nights news report from that very area April 18.
Snip Chief Carl Smith, April 18, 2016 Press Conf:

IIRC this is where the convo started

Cannonball3804 I do. I think the perp was a young male, possibly under the influence of something, and unfamiliar with the church. Did not expect anyone to be there for hours. Wore the outfit to conceal identity. Didn't steal anything but would have if not interrupted. Not sure the murdet went down like many people think. If MB crashed thru a glass table/door/window, then most of her injuries could have been caused as the glass shattered. We just don't have enough detail to know. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-29&p=12654083#post12654083

And went on to discuss tempered glass, mirrors from restroom and so forth.

Where "shards" first was said and auto correct spelled it incorrect per the OP

06-23-2016, 08:11 PM#545 roadrunnerm http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-29&p=12655360#post12655360
If campers were able to look in and see her and she had Sharrods of glass on her, then she must have been close to glass doors entrance/exit and SP busted doors and left.

And from earlier, you acknowledge you were part of that convo

Today, 05:44 PM#101 Cannonball3804

Quote Originally Posted by PoirotryInMotion View Post
There's an important distinction - a glass shard can kill; safety glass (which breaks into a rounded pea-sized crumble) does not. In the last thread some posters were theorizing that maybe she was punctured or killed by "shards of broken glass"...and others of us are posting that that is unlikely if one is referencing the doors and windows of the church.
A shard does NOT have to have a sharp edge. It can just be a fragment or sliver or piece, etc.

I used the term "shard" in another thread when wondering if glass table(s) in the SW corner area were safety glass or not. But the SW referred to "broken" glass without being more specific, so who knows whether any glass had sharp edges or not.

It's interesting, the semantics debate over the word shard when nobody takes the multiple posters to task for referring to the perp as "lying in wait". There certainly is nothing from LE about that.
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[Camerabug]

Do you have a link of that? I thought that LE said that the perp was NOT seen on video after the attack.

it states in the SW for the vehicle that neither the suspect nor MB were seen after the murder. My iPad is being stupid so I can't link...

 

[Batbrat]

Bat, still working on that one. I am waiting to see if we have confirmed double doors on the SE corner of the building. Trying to find those doors in a pic then.
Arkansasmimi is placing romm # 2 in the Main entry area/ welcome area of the church. Either there is a second hallway, or room #2 is somewhere else (SE corner perhaps?)

Can you measure the width of the hallways please? ;--) Thanks.

-Nin

I can probably come pretty close, sure.