TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #31

[PoirotryInMotion]

Jethro4WS - I'm wondering, too, if the CC church plan might actually have some of the features at the stage area as the sample church plan below - (this is from the 2007 design plan of Church Development Services, LLC--same year that CC was also built by a similar design-build contractor).

In the sample plan below, there are two rooms adjoining each end of the stage area (though at CC, as you've drawn it, these could just be one larger single room at each end--possibly with doors on the east hall side instead)...and that long inset hallway you have entering the red rooms from the north and south halls might actually be 2 long narrow side entrances at the front of the auditorium leading onto the stage such as are in this plan (click to open):

 

[11frogs]

I used the hiatus of this conversation to work on making a map of the church to scale and make every attempt to accurately place doors windows, etc. After painstakingly reviewing over 300 photos, several videos, Google Earth, Street View, and the property tax information and after many contested exchanges with my wife (who was always right by the way) I believe I have the church layout very close to what it is.

The caveats:

Some windows and doors may be off by 4 inches.
The thickness of doorways is exaggerated to a 1 foot dimension (usually shared between hall and room to show it's presence).
Bathroom locations are determined by where the plumbing stacks are located.
It is a work in progress.

I am confused on Room 12. So I viewed the video and turned the video around to match your map. That's what you would have to do to get that to match up and I don't see anything directly across from that door that SP
would be trying to break into. No door in your map across from 12 - just the corner of the sanctuary. SP does not cross the hall to room 8 - wrong angle when coming out the door. Maybe there is another door on the sanctuary side?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Thank you for this...truly amazing work.

(And I sure love seeing that Rm 12 IS indeed at the northeast corner by the exit doors!)

ETA: might the 'red' room opposite Rm 12 have a door window facing Rm 12? Remember in the video (at the end) when SP comes out of Rm 12, he starts chipping away at the window of a door presumably just across the hall (also right there just about out of sight of the NE corner cameras).

ETA again: here's the photo with Rm 12 on the left, and SP facing the opposite side and chipping at the door, with the beginning of the glass crumbles on the floor...(click to see larger version).

I do believe there is a door straight across from it that is recessed - probably a foot or so. There is also likely a door across from Room 10. What I find to be interesting about that particular snippet of video is what SP seems to be doing - at least in my opinion. Which is ...

Even though the door is straight across from the Room 12 door SP is standing off to the left. Also, instead of simply smashing the window of the door in it appears that what they did is hit the window hard enough to start it cracking but not hard enough to smash through it. Or, they struck the window where it meets the door itself - at an edge. The effect with those kinds of windows when struck like that with something hard like a hammer is that the window will start cracking and the cracks will race their way to the edges. If hit too hard the glass would fall down to either side of the door. But if you crack it and only push a small hole into it you can achieve something else ...

What we see SP doing is actually pulling the glass from that window into the East hall. In staging a scene this would create the impression that SP was inside the room opposite Room 12 and broke out rather than in. I suspect that this snippet of the video was meant as a message to SP that the police are aware of the staging. Oh, and about SP standing off to the left. I suspect that SP did that so small chunks of glass would not get into any of their gear/outfit that might fall out later somewhere else.

Of course, that is just my speculation.

 

[11frogs]

I was wondering where Sparky was. I must have missed something. Where's Sparky???


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They said she retired. I think we drove her crazy and she is now lying on a beach with a margarita in hand.

 

[Elle*Bee]

They said she retired. I think we drove her crazy and she is now lying on a beach with a margarita in hand.

Oh.... I hope all is well. I know she pledged to keep her SwatPerp avatar until Missy found Justice. I hope she's simply moved on to better and brighter things. I miss her, but wish her well. Best wishes, Sparky!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I do believe there is a door straight across from it that is recessed - probably a foot or so. There is also likely a door across from Room 10. What I find to be interesting about that particular snippet of video is what SP seems to be doing - at least in my opinion. Which is ...

Even though the door is straight across from the Room 12 door SP is standing off to the left. Also, instead of simply smashing the window of the door in it appears that what they did is hit the window hard enough to start it cracking but not hard enough to smash through it. Or, they struck the window where it meets the door itself - at an edge. The effect with those kinds of windows when struck like that with something hard like a hammer is that the window will start cracking and the cracks will race their way to the edges. If hit too hard the glass would fall down to either side of the door. But if you crack it and only push a small hole into it you can achieve something else ...

What we see SP doing is actually pulling the glass from that window into the East hall. In staging a scene this would create the impression that SP was inside the room opposite Room 12 and broke out rather than in. I suspect that this snippet of the video was meant as a message to SP that the police are aware of the staging. Oh, and about SP standing off to the left. I suspect that SP did that so small chunks of glass would not get into any of their gear/outfit that might fall out later somewhere else.

Of course, that is just my speculation.

I'm thinking he might just be standing to the left of where he's chipping because 1) he's using the hammer in his right hand, and 2) these hall doors have the long skinny windows on the right side of the door (above the handle). It's hard to tell from the freeze frame I posted above, but in the video you can see the glass crumbles fly as he breaks out the window (it's safety glass, so it crumbles like the photo of that rear metal door showed - the crumbles just fall to the floor).

Here's the SAMPLE church plan rotated to the correct orientation and marked up if that helps. I marked the long narrow entrances to the auditorium stage with what were supposed to be red arrows (!), and marked the east hall doors that I'm imagining with a blue ">" mark (in this sample floorplan you need to imagine an east corridor with wall of rooms on the opposite side):

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I am confused on Room 12. So I viewed the video and turned the video around to match your map. That's what you would have to do to get that to match up and I don't see anything directly across from that door that SP
would be trying to break into. No door in your map across from 12 - just the corner of the sanctuary. SP does not cross the hall to room 8 - wrong angle when coming out the door. Maybe there is another door on the sanctuary side?

Yes, that's why I think those red rooms flanking the stage in his drawing have doors opening onto the east hallway, so that there is a windowed door directly opposite room 12 that SP is hammering. (See photo a couple posts upthread of him hammering with his back to Rm 12.)

In the video you are looking at SP from the NE camera angle (top right near the exit doors).

 

[Gwyndolyn]

It sounds like its time for another game of clue. We did this several threads back and it was interesting reading everyone's thoughts.

Post your theory of the murder
1. Give your profile of SP
2. Motive
3. Whether you think MB knew SP and
4. if she was targeted or not

1) middle aged woman
2) jealousy, perceived threat
3) yes
4) yes

All just my opinion from the beginning and have kept. I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. I just want justice for Missy and closure for the family.

 

[neesaki]

don't know if these will be clear enough for anyone to see anything - it's from the MPD surveillance video at 1.02. This is after he/she has pried the door and the killer is "fiddling" with the "veil" or netting or balaclava he/she is wearing and you can see the killer's eyes somewhat. I'm also attaching a close-up shot of the killer's left eye from this same frame.

edited to add and this first one is sort of mind numbing to me....it almost looks like he/she has a baby strapped to his/her chest. I studied it for hours but I have no clue what that is though.

here's another shot same as above but with heat map....and I still see that "baby"

here's the left eye from the same frame

Weird, I can't say that I see a baby, but maybe something like an alien, it has huge eyes. It's like a rorschach or something, basically some sort of weird thing going on with the graphics. FWIW, I don't see a baby. jmo

 

[Ayashley]

WannaBee's Top 10 Things Perp in a Church thought while watching NG re-runs tonight:
9. Man I really miss Sparky!

Sparky?? Huh??

 

[neesaki]

Maybe. But many times, LE 's silence has meant that they indeed been focused on an "obvious" suspect the whole time, with good reason, not just stats. We have been surprised in the past to llearn that LE had money trails, text messages, etc all along.

As in the Deorr Kunz case, LE initially said they were "good with the family", etc. It wasn't until later that they named them suspects. Just one example.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro4WS - I'm wondering, too, if the CC church plan might actually have some of the features at the stage area as the sample church plan below - (this is from the 2007 design plan of Church Development Services, LLC--same year that CC was also built by a similar design-build contractor).

In the sample plan below, there are two rooms adjoining each end of the stage area (though at CC, as you've drawn it, these could just be one larger single room at each end--possibly with doors on the east hall side instead)...and that long inset hallway you have entering the red rooms from the north and south halls might actually be 2 long narrow side entrances at the front of the auditorium leading onto the stage such as are in this plan (click to open):

Well, that is one of the areas that I am working on. One of the things you will note from my map is that that slanted walls of the stage do not meet the back wall. There is a backstage area at the height of the stage. So I suspect that there must be stairs that go down to the rooms on both sides that have the alcoves. Also, I have depicted that the baptismal area which is the "goldish green" square center stage (it is 6x6) has stairs only going down to the stage level. Yes, I attempted to show the number of steps to reach the height of anywhere there are stairs.

I did that because I believe that, and anyone that belongs to a CoC can correct, the pastor and the congregant to be baptised might appear on stage before the congregation before actually doing the rite. Thus, there would be a pathway somewhere backstage to those stairs and probably on both side.

I also suspect that there are stairs on each side going down to the floor level to get in those red (unknown) areas and I believe that they are likely at the stage ends but unlike the stairs on either side of the stage up front they are inset before the edge of the stage end. There are almost certainly walls all along the stage edges in the back - don't need someone falling off - with doors or just open frames to get to the back passage which would look like a hallway.

I have tried to avoid putting anything on the map that was simply a pure wild arsed guess without having some sense of what is there. So when you see the light green areas of the map, for example, I know exactly where the windows are and am either certain I know exactly where a door is or very highly confident based on how they are placed elsewhere in the church. This true of the Northwest side where I do not have pictures from inside either of them. For light green rooms elsewhere their dimensions are set because they are what was left over after placing all the other rooms in their known exact locations. This is the case with the Glass Walled Room on the South hall and the 3rd room down on the East hall.

I have left the parts I only have speculation about in red (unknown). For example. At the front stage area you can see that there are double doors on each side. Those doors are flat against the wall and they likely go to some kind of storage areas that are walled off from the rest of the red area back there. So, I don't believe that they open to the room that is back there that can be seen in the "Dad Day" video that the guy comes running out of. I have to spend some time on that to see if I can determine the shape of the room behind the alcove on the North side (I expect it to be identical on the South).

 

[neesaki]

But that's where you get into the game of Telephone, the grapevine or whatever you want to call it. Local gossip. Locals usually have strong opinions about a case, but they often turn out to be wrong.

Police chased tips from locals for 3 months and they haven't led anywhere. JMHO


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Cannonball, I just have to ask.... why are you so against accepting that MB's husband and / or in-laws could possibly be involved. If they are, they are. Why is it that you can't keep an open mind that it is a possibility ? I'm just curious. TIA

 

[Jethro4WS]

I haven't put it on the map yet. Something I will likely do in the next incarnation of the map.

 

[Montjoy]

Cannonball, I just have to ask.... why are you so against accepting that MB's husband and / or in-laws could possibly be involved. If they are, they are. Why is it that you can't keep an open mind that it is a possibility ? I'm just curious. TIA

Just speaking for myself, I have an open mind, but I doubt they are involved at this point. Why? There's been absolutely no evidence to suggest that they were involved. Neither BB or RB were in town when the murder was committed.

The main 'evidence' people have been using to implicate them is embarrassingly weak. It's 'hinkey meter' type evidence, which is not evidence at all. People have been bringing in rumors, assumptions, and an unhealthy amount of confirmation bias to try to manufacture a case against them. In my opinion, a lot of it comes from some deep seated hostility towards men, perhaps from reading so many stories about awful ones here. JMO. But, I guess anything is possible (other than RB and BB being the SP). I would just rather base my conclusions on evidence, rather than base what counts as evidence to me on the conclusions I have come to out of prejudice.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I am confused on Room 12. So I viewed the video and turned the video around to match your map. That's what you would have to do to get that to match up and I don't see anything directly across from that door that SP
would be trying to break into. No door in your map across from 12 - just the corner of the sanctuary. SP does not cross the hall to room 8 - wrong angle when coming out the door. Maybe there is another door on the sanctuary side?

Sorry, meant to reply with quote. Haven't put it on the map yet. Next incarnation.

 

[11frogs]

Just speaking for myself, I have an open mind, but I doubt they are involved at this point. Why? There's been absolutely no evidence to suggest that they were involved. Neither BB or RB were in town when the murder was committed.

The main 'evidence' people have been using to implicate them is embarrassingly weak. It's 'hinkey meter' type evidence, which is not evidence at all. People have been bringing in rumors, assumptions, and an unhealthy amount of confirmation bias to try to manufacture a case against them. In my opinion, a lot of it comes from some deep seated hostility towards men, perhaps from reading so many stories about awful ones here. JMO. But, I guess anything is possible (other than RB and BB being the SP). I would just rather base my conclusions on evidence, rather than base what counts as evidence to me on the conclusions I have come to out of prejudice.

I believe that's where you have most WS members wrong. Most of us are not saying that BB is SP but we are speculating he is involved. There is enough evidence to make him a POI by LE. The main evidence is what LE has found and WS members have just found a few things that hopefully LE has checked out. I personally do not have a hostility towards men but in cases like this the spouse - be it woman or man - had something to do with it. That's just statistics. I have not been on here long but -except for a few things that WS members get hung up on - I think some of the things we find out are worth mentioning. Maybe LE does read this and maybe it sparks a curiosity for which if it helps to catch a murderer I am sure MB would be grateful. I don't see prejudices everyone has an idea and we like to share those ideas with others in the pursuit of justice. Wherever that road may lead.

not being snarky. JMO

 

[wgram]

Where is MBs side of the family?! I don't recall ever reading anything about them...

It has been said that her father passed away in the past year or two. I can't remember exactly. But her mother has moved into Missy's home to help with the girls. JMO

 

[Ayashley]

I believe that's where you have most WS members wrong. Most of us are not saying that BB is SP but we are speculating he is involved. There is enough evidence to make him a POI by LE. The main evidence is what LE has found and WS members have just found a few things that hopefully LE has checked out. I personally do not have a hostility towards men but in cases like this the spouse - be it woman or man - had something to do with it. That's just statistics. I have not been on here long but -except for a few things that WS members get hung up on - I think some of the things we find out are worth mentioning. Maybe LE does read this and maybe it sparks a curiosity for which if it helps to catch a murderer I am sure MB would be grateful. I don't see prejudices everyone has an idea and we like to share those ideas with others in the pursuit of justice. Wherever that road may lead.

not being snarky. JMO

THIS!! So accurate, when I post I'm always just hoping that maybe something I say can contribute in some way.. I'm never 100% set on my views, I'm always open to new ideas, but one thing I'm positive on, is we all just want justice for the victims.. Sometimes LE can't give out much info and in big cases like this one, I think we all get restless waiting and can't help but over analyze every single detail because we don't know the next time we're going to get any new information..

 

[Ayashley]

It has been said that her father passed away in the past year or two. I can't remember exactly. But her mother has moved into Missy's home to help with the girls. JMO

Thank you for answering that...