UID Victim: "Cherries", Mamaroneck, Blk/Hisp, 605UFNY, found Mar 2007

[LindsayLohan6]

I disagree that Manorville and OP are the only places to dump a body where it won't be discovered right away. Read through the first few pages of Seaslug's Forgotten Remains thread and you will see bodies dumped all over long island, behind schools, dead ends, off the highway, etc etc and many are skeletonized and not found for years.

I disagree with you that the G4 are the work of a separate killer than the rest of the bodies. Cherries and Peaches are similar cases to many attributed to the LISK. Unidentified, dismembered, Peaches was dumped in a State Park like almost ALL the victims. They were in a suitcase like Tanya Rush. There are many bodies in Manorville but except for the identified, they all fit the LISK victimology. The two females were dismembered, and the male dumped with JD 2000 was strangled and remains unidentified just like John Doe 2003 and John Doe 2012.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

That link is just about a John who exhibits OCD tendencies on the phone by calling over and over, and has a suffolk county number. I believe LISK will noticeably exhibit this behavior and found an example of a John who does such on Utopiaguide. The post has no specific relation to Amber...

Also Ripper69 is active in Sarasota FL where the two unidentified Male and Female were found. So he's a POI in my book, a good one with that username...Ripper69 did post in a thread on the LISK on utopia guide but I don't remember if he posted in the thread about Amber before she was murdered

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Another thing...I think it is incredibly unlikely...that the killer has never posted on Utopiaguide. And if you look deep enough you will find some who double dip between WS and UG and yet they use the username...perplexing?

 

[JezyUn]

Does anyone have any theories as to why the SK is so fixated on the victims tattoos? First Peaches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaches_(murder_victim)#cite_note-4
http://www.centralctcommunications....cle_b587e888-38a0-11e5-b906-3393be745a91.html
Then Cherries, then he rips up Jessica Taylor's tattoo, he calls Melissa's pimp and talks about Johnny Terry's tattoos. Could there be a specific reason that Jane Doe 2000's tattoo was never released? I don't think it's a coincidence that the UID victims are Peaches and Cherries, both in suitcases..perhaps they were actually chosen BECAUSE of their tattoos. Can anyone think of any reasons as to why the killer would be so fixated on tattoos? Especially to call Johnny Terry and talk about HIS tattoos...that is very strange. Do you think the killer could be a tattoo artist?

The tattoos look very much like they were done by the same tattoo artist. The outlining of them is nearly identical in thickness and the style is near exact. It would seem that the tattoo artist question or connection is a plausible one.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Really? All tattoo's kinda look the same

I'd imagine if the guy from Bristol did Cherries tattoo as well we'd hear about it. But I'm not so convinced that guys story is for real

 

[Notorious]

I disagree that Manorville and OP are the only places to dump a body where it won't be discovered right away. Read through the first few pages of Seaslug's Forgotten Remains thread and you will see bodies dumped all over long island, behind schools, dead ends, off the highway, etc etc and many are skeletonized and not found for years.

I disagree with you that the G4 are the work of a separate killer than the rest of the bodies. Cherries and Peaches are similar cases to many attributed to the LISK. Unidentified, dismembered, Peaches was dumped in a State Park like almost ALL the victims. They were in a suitcase like Tanya Rush. There are many bodies in Manorville but except for the identified, they all fit the LISK victimology. The two females were dismembered, and the male dumped with JD 2000 was strangled and remains unidentified just like John Doe 2003 and John Doe 2012.

I didn't say they were the only two places did i? I said they were more ideal places. I've lived on the island for well over 30 years. I'm familiar with all the various locations the bodies have been discovered. Skeletonized or not. I was trying to illustrate what would draw multiple killers to that site as opposed to places like behind school, sumps, dead ends, etc. etc. if you're planning on killing time and time again because it's your ADDICTION, then you are going to want to plan a place where you would be able to dump multiple bodies without people seeing you. It's an attractive site to sick minded people. That's what I was trying to say. It's far less risky than any of the other places you mentioned.

That is ok that you disagree that GB4 and all other bodies are all the work of one killer. You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't see the similarities besides the fact that they were all sex workers, but merely being sex workers doesn't work for me because there are sooooo many killers worldwide who target them.

 

[Notorious]

That link is just about a John who exhibits OCD tendencies on the phone by calling over and over, and has a suffolk county number. I believe LISK will noticeably exhibit this behavior and found an example of a John who does such on Utopiaguide. The post has no specific relation to Amber...

Also Ripper69 is active in Sarasota FL where the two unidentified Male and Female were found. So he's a POI in my book, a good one with that username...Ripper69 did post in a thread on the LISK on utopia guide but I don't remember if he posted in the thread about Amber before she was murdered

Oh ok. Thank you for clearing that up. I get what you are saying. I was just digging around on there. (Hope no one looks at my internet history! Lol! ) we clearly have some differing opinions here. That doesn't make either of us wrong or right. Just opinions. While I do think it's odd, I don't think obsessively calling is necessarily a sign of him being a killer. I think he was just pissed off that he was being stood up. I did click on his name and saw several posts pertaining to the bodies being found although I didn't read through them all. While I think it would be wise for police to look into these guys, LISK took serious measures to make sure he was anonymous. It just seems like it would be stupid for him to put himself out there and comment on a site where he's making a connection to himself and online escorts. Would he be that dumb? I don't know. Maybe. Hopefully. If he is, that means he will be caught sooner rather than later.

 

[Notorious]

The tattoos look very much like they were done by the same tattoo artist. The outlining of them is nearly identical in thickness and the style is near exact. It would seem that the tattoo artist question or connection is a plausible one.

I personally don't think they look that similar at all. I also have attended art school and have been trained by fine artists. I do see a difference in the style. Although the cherry one seems to be a bit older and harder to see. I do see a difference in the strokes and shading. The thing that makes them maybe appear similar is because they both appear to be standard flash art. Every tattoo shop has it. These look very much like the standard art that you can pull off the wall. They're not hand drawn or designed by the person who's doing the tattoos. The artist follows a predesigned template. The cherries especially are very common. The peach may be a custom piece but who knows.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I didn't say they were the only two places did i? I said they were more ideal places. I've lived on the island for well over 30 years. I'm familiar with all the various locations the bodies have been discovered. Skeletonized or not. I was trying to illustrate what would draw multiple killers to that site as opposed to places like behind school, sumps, dead ends, etc. etc. if you're planning on killing time and time again because it's your ADDICTION, then you are going to want to plan a place where you would be able to dump multiple bodies without people seeing you. It's an attractive site to sick minded people. That's what I was trying to say. It's far less risky than any of the other places you mentioned.

That is ok that you disagree that GB4 and all other bodies are all the work of one killer. You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't see the similarities besides the fact that they were all sex workers, but merely being sex workers doesn't work for me because there are sooooo many killers worldwide who target them.

Did you look thru the forgotten remains thread? There are A LOT of remains found on LI from the late 80's through the 90's. It seems like most remain unidentified. I would actually argue the strongest point for all bodies being one killer is not they are all sex workers but intact they are all unidentified. All the unidentified males, which is many, John Doe 2000, 2003, 2012, Wolf Hill Road man (garbage bag dix hills), The 33 Leahy St teen with the ligature (very significant, an unidentified 15 year old boy in Brentwood?), the man with sever scoliosis at Cavett's Point in the hamptons state park, Asian Male, FI Jane Doe, Lattingtown woman, all the OP remains, the boy in the mickey mouse blanket in Rockaway, not even getting into all the unidentified dismembered remains in garbage bags in Brooklyn like the ones in that graveyard with Eve Brown, we've barely touched on that over the years, and Peaches and Cherries I'm sure there are tons I am forgetting. But my theory is one killer/s is responsible for all the murders, and there are many many graveyard all over LI that have never been discovered. I also believe the dumpsite probably stretches all along the barrier islands, because they've discovered some partial human remains way out on the beaches near the hamptons (halsey neck rd I think, memorable because JT was dumped on Halsey manor). If you think the G4 is one killer and the rest someone else, like you said, you are entitled to your own opinion. But it wouldn't be logical to include JT with the g4 and disregard JD2000, or John 2000 or 2003 for that matter. It just wouldn't make sense. But the main thing that lumps most of the victims together is that they are unidentified. It takes a certain method to find and kill people both male and female who aren't going to ever be identified. There is some special method the killer has they we have not been able to discover yet. But it's worth noting that none of the g4 were NY natives, and this points to a connection to the other victims as well. I don't think they are all sex workers, I don't think the male victims are all sex workers when you look them. But many have surgical scars, and there could be a connection there with FI Jane Doe

 

[Notorious]

Did you look thru the forgotten remains thread? There are A LOT of remains found on LI from the late 80's through the 90's. It seems like most remain unidentified. I would actually argue the strongest point for all bodies being one killer is not they are all sex workers but intact they are all unidentified. All the unidentified males, which is many, John Doe 2000, 2003, 2012, Wolf Hill Road man (garbage bag dix hills), The 33 Leahy St teen with the ligature (very significant, an unidentified 15 year old boy in Brentwood?), the man with sever scoliosis at Cavett's Point in the hamptons state park, Asian Male, FI Jane Doe, Lattingtown woman, all the OP remains, the boy in the mickey mouse blanket in Rockaway, not even getting into all the unidentified dismembered remains in garbage bags in Brooklyn like the ones in that graveyard with Eve Brown, we've barely touched on that over the years, and Peaches and Cherries I'm sure there are tons I am forgetting. But my theory is one killer/s is responsible for all the murders, and there are many many graveyard all over LI that have never been discovered. I also believe the dumpsite probably stretches all along the barrier islands, because they've discovered some partial human remains way out on the beaches near the hamptons (halsey neck rd I think, memorable because JT was dumped on Halsey manor). If you think the G4 is one killer and the rest someone else, like you said, you are entitled to your own opinion. But it wouldn't be logical to include JT with the g4 and disregard JD2000, or John 2000 or 2003 for that matter. It just wouldn't make sense. But the main thing that lumps most of the victims together is that they are unidentified. It takes a certain method to find and kill people both male and female who aren't going to ever be identified. There is some special method the killer has they we have not been able to discover yet. But it's worth noting that none of the g4 were NY natives, and this points to a connection to the other victims as well. I don't think they are all sex workers, I don't think the male victims are all sex workers when you look them. But many have surgical scars, and there could be a connection there with FI Jane Doe

If you read my last reply in the unsubstantiated rumor thread, I can apply it here too. NYC is the most densly populated city in the US and Long Island is the most densly populated island in the country. (Figures in my other comment as well). Higher populations lead to higher incidences of murder, and victims. It's just the way it is. I'm sure if you look up any state or region there are plenty of unidentified remains found all over the place. Just as there are missing people everywhere who aren't found.

A few years back, someone was disposing of random body parts all over the place. One person found a human leg or foot in their front yard, laying in a flower bed. I believe the victim was identified and the killer was caught but these things happen more often then we'd like to think.

I did not say there is only two killers. There could be multiple killers. I did say there could've been two killers dumping off at the ocean parkway because of its exclusivity. Is it possible one person is responsible for ALL of the victims you mentioned above? Sure. Is it probable, not really. If this person was searching so hard for unidentifiable victims, why didn't he do so with the GB4? Clearly all but one was reposted missing by family.

Maybe some of these people are identified because the people who would report them missing and identify them are the ones responsible for the murders. I watched an interview the other day where there was a mention that sometimes people will commit suicides and because of the shame and stigma of suicide; families will move the bodies and not report the person missing. Of course that's not a likely explanation for all of the un-ID'd bodies but it could explain one. There are various other reasons and we could sit here all day and discuss them.
I'm sorry but I just don't believe one person is responsible for ALL the murders.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I watched an interview the other day where there was a mention that sometimes people will commit suicides and because of the shame and stigma of suicide; families will move the bodies and not report the person missing. Of course that's not a likely explanation for all of the un-ID'd bodies but it could explain one

Lol which one could it explain?

 

[Notorious]

I watched an interview the other day where there was a mention that sometimes people will commit suicides and because of the shame and stigma of suicide; families will move the bodies and not report the person missing. Of course that's not a likely explanation for all of the un-ID'd bodies but it could explain one

Lol which one could it explain?

Lol! Wow! You're very predictable. As I was typing that, I KNEW you were going to pick out that ONE part and only that one part. In fact, I almost didn't write it because of that. You also didn't read he last sentence, "COULD" being the key word there. That leaves the option that it also could NOT be an explanation, open as well. You seem to focus on the small and not so significant things that I said, rather than the more relevant stuff.

I have laid out SEVERAL possibilities, yet you only choose to focus on one. I'm sorry, I just don't agree with your theory. It is based on nothing and seems highly unlikely that someone would kill and dispose of bodies in such a haphazard and unorganized way. You seem to think that LISK is responsible for EVERY. SINGLE. DEATH on Long Island, spanning over two decades. While it is possible, you need to open your mind up and realize that it's ALSO possible that there are many different people responsible. I have tried to point out to you some substantial facts that prove that possibility and you only focus on the one small thing you can make a snide remark about.

What is the back story on all of these other various, victims you are talking about here? Aside from being sex workers, what else to they have in common with the GB4? In my eyes there is a vast difference between the GB4 and other victims you've named. Whoever killed Gb4, meticulously planned it. He went so far as to get burner phones and seemed to be on top of investigative techniques and such. He also lured and disposed of the victims in a very systematic way. It seems he has all his ducks in a row before he preys on a victim. The fact that he dumps them whole says a lot about his killing style. He's similar to a cat once it catches a mouse. He plays around with it for a while and then dumps it off shortly after. I don't think he wants to spend too much time on them after he has taken their life. The toy is broken time to throw it away and get a new one. I don't think the same person would be dismembering bodies and making more work for himself. This day in age, scattering bodies like that exposes you to more danger with the cops finding out. I don't think he'd take those chances.

 

[jessr927]

What are the odds that Cherry's limb would wash up on James Dolan's private beach, and two years later calls are made by a serial killer from MSG which James Dolan owns? That is very very strange.

The parallels are remarkable.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Anybody have an opinion on this?

The dark blue or black suitcase is sold exclusively at Wal-Mart. Police also found small scraps of paper tucked away in the [sic] crevaces of the suitcase. When pieced together, it looks like a calendar with the Spanish word "cinco" and the phrase "begin to live."

Where would the paper have come from, why was it tucked in the suitcase, why in spanish and what does it mean?

 

[Brybry96]

The cherry tattoo looks like that of a women I knew as a child, her name was selvania she had a little boy. For the life of me I have always felt that it was her.

 

[dotr]

The cherry tattoo looks like that of a women I knew as a child, her name was selvania she had a little boy. For the life of me I have always felt that it was her.

Welcome to Ws Brybry96!
Hope you can find a little more information about " Selvania ", where might one begin to look for her?

 

[sparta]

Looking over this thread on the tattoos, again same as with the GB4, it might indicate that the killer could possibly have Muslim beliefs. As far as tattoos in Islam they are forbidden and considered as filth.

"Tattooing is considered "mutilating" the body, changing Allah's creation". http://islam.about.com/od/islamsays/a/Tattoos-In-Islam.htm

Not only a reason for a SK to try to remove them but also hate them vehemently. Insulting to oneself and ones relationship to the Creator? Strange..

 

[mst]

begin to live makes me think that maybe she was going to start a drug rehab maybe?

 

[Al Ka]

What is the meaning of cherry tattoos?

Cherry tattoos may look sweet and innocent, but they are generally thought to represent sexuality, fertility and desire. The plump, juicy fruit is a symbol of femininity, and the deep red color has a lustful connotation.

A tattoo's placement can also add to its meaning. A cherry tattoo on a woman's hip or groin may have a very sexual vibe, whereas a cherry design on the forearm could feel more innocent.

https://www.reference.com/beauty-fashion/meaning-cherry-tattoos-5d55e2f3f8a57d1a#

We are looking for middle aged heavy lady ,180-200 lbs (90.7kg). Some articles mention that she was very tall as well, 5'7" to 6'1" ( 183cm), however others are stating she was not taller than 5'6" (153cm). Her cherry tattoo above her right breast was very tiny.

Majority of NY cases are in NamUs, I find it really weird that she still is not.

 

[Al Ka]

March 05, 2007

The body part, which was not badly decomposed

There was a stab wound

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/03/05/cops-hope-tattoo-will-help-id-washed-up-torso.html

Paonessa said police divers had found no other body parts.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.obituaries/HGeH2Cvv9ws

On Wednesday morning, a landscaper working on the Dolan property found the limb near the shoreline, where it apparently washed in from the sound and remained after low tide

On Tuesday night, a fisherman found a right foot and a leg bone _ possibly female _ among the rocks in Cold Spring Harbor, said Lt. Dennis Dooley of the Lloyd Harbor police.

The two legs appeared a little more than three weeks after the stabbed torso, stuffed inside a suitcase with a shirt and a pair of pants, floated onto a beach in suburban Mamaroneck on March 3. Authorities said at the time that the victim was a Hispanic or black woman, no taller than 5-foot-6, weighing 180 to 200 pounds.

The two pink-toenailed legs appeared a little more than three weeks after the stabbed torso, stuffed inside a suitcase with a shirt and a pair of pants, floated onto a beach in suburban Mamaroneck on March 3. A woman and her teenage son made the gruesome discovery.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t20070.htm