Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #3 *M. Bridger guilty*

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Does the UK have consecutive sentences? Which means after one sentence is served another begins - which is used in the US to keep criminals from ever being released. Thus a good reason to charge everything possible.

Yes. But all to frequently you hear the words '...to run concurrently'.

Another one that is all to frequent is '...sentenced to life in prison, and ordered to serve at least nn years'

Substitute nn for any low figure number.

It's ridiculous.
 
Eye witness to what exactly? We don't know the full details of what these eye witnesses were witness too.


Headline: April Jones: children as young as seven to testify

"The young witnesses, who have already provided video interviews about what they saw, are expected to appear at Bridger's trial next year via a video link.

It was also disclosed for the first time that he has given his version of events surrounding the case to detectives."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...es-children-as-young-as-seven-to-testify.html
 
I know it's horrible to say, but what if the body was um, not in one piece? It wouldn't resemble a body shape then.

I have been thinking the same, but didn't want to say it, I thought maybe different parts in different places...

Awful, your mind can't take it in.
 
Headline: April Jones: children as young as seven to testify

"The young witnesses, who have already provided video interviews about what they saw, are expected to appear at Bridger's trial next year via a video link.

It was also disclosed for the first time that he has given his version of events surrounding the case to detectives."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...es-children-as-young-as-seven-to-testify.html

I'm thankful if they allow the children to testify by video. It will be (already has been) traumatic for the children. Someone posted earlier how difficult the travel is to the proposed trial site(s). I am glad they will be spared that and also spared being in front of the suspect to testify.
 
In that report it doesn't. In others it does. The Telegraph was not the first to report this.

In the original Mirror article it reports a 'bin bag' and a 'black bag'.

If it is directly quoted by a witness, then I would be inclined to think that it is accurate. If it is reported second hand, then I wouldn't.
 
Since there's an eye witness, he can't very well claim innocence.

Eye witness to what exactly? We don't know the full details of what these eye witnesses were witness too.

Headline: April Jones: children as young as seven to testify

"The young witnesses, who have already provided video interviews about what they saw, are expected to appear at Bridger's trial next year via a video link.

It was also disclosed for the first time that he has given his version of events surrounding the case to detectives."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...es-children-as-young-as-seven-to-testify.html

There's no eye witness to the murder, though, is there. At least not as far as we know.
 
Same in mid-Wales. "Black bag" is synonymous with "black bin bag." Any other uses that differ from a bin bag need to be qualified.

Cendlaetholwr. I would agree with the terminology of what a black bag could mean. But that is the point, isn't it? What it could mean is neither here nor there. Any uses that differe from 'black bag' would surely need to be qualified. I note that no reports are referring to 'refuse sack' or other ways to describe a 'bin liner', for example. See?
 
Since there's an eye witness, he can't very well claim innocence.

Its not known if MB was Id'd by any child. A description was given of the driver and the car, remains to be seen if they were near enough descriptions or exact ones.

Therewas another witness who did place him and his car along the street around 6 pm though but as far as I know no definite identifications that it was him who picked April up.
 
There's no eye witness to the murder, though, is there. At least not as far as we know.

Even if there was he could still claim innocence.
 
Since there's an eye witness, he can't very well claim innocence.

Eye witness to what exactly? We don't know the full details of what these eye witnesses were witness too.

Headline: April Jones: children as young as seven to testify

"The young witnesses, who have already provided video interviews about what they saw, are expected to appear at Bridger's trial next year via a video link.

It was also disclosed for the first time that he has given his version of events surrounding the case to detectives."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...es-children-as-young-as-seven-to-testify.html

There is nothing in anything you have posted to suggest a reason that he cannot claim innocence. Just because there are witnesses, we don't know what they witnessed.
 
There's no eye witness to the murder, though, is there. At least not as far as we know.

There's no witness that says it was MB in the car that drove off with AJ either. At least not as far as we know :)
 
If it is directly quoted by a witness, then I would be inclined to think that it is accurate. If it is reported second hand, then I wouldn't.

So the closest we have to a quote from a witness is the Daily Mirror article with

'We saw man with bin bag near the river'

Would that be right? Remember, the Telegraph was the one that copied the article from the Daily Mirror.
 
What if something happened whilst she was with him, it wasnt murder, but he panicked and hid the body, afraid of being charged with negligent homicide or something like that. That would come under attempting to pervert the course of justice.

Why won't he confess to where she is then? He must realize that not "helping" now, after the event, puts him in an even worse position. Or has his lawyer told him to say nothing?
 
Does the UK have consecutive sentences?

Yes, but ...

Which means after one sentence is served another begins - which is used in the US to keep criminals from ever being released. Thus a good reason to charge everything possible.

In a case such as this, murdering a child and concealing the body are two of the aggravating factors that are likely to see MB given a minimum tariff of close to 30 years before he can even be considered for parole if found guilty. That takes him to age 76 and, because it will be a life sentence, he could be kept in prison beyond that age if he is considered to be a danger to the public, and (if released) can be taken back to prison at any time.

Because of that, I think that the penalty for any additional charges is likely to run concurrently.
 
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Why won't he confess to where she is then? He must realize that not "helping" now, after the event, puts him in an even worse position. Or has his lawyer told him to say nothing?

I wouldnt like to speculate but perhaps he did murder her and there would be evidence that he did, OR he is entirely innocent. As you say what would be the point of not saying unless again he is guilty but is hoping theres no evidence to prove it. Hope that made sense. Back to square one.
 
So the closest we have to a quote from a witness is the Daily Mirror article with

'We saw man with bin bag near the river'

Would that be right? Remember, the Telegraph was the one that copied the article from the Daily Mirror.

Earlier articles:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...ene-of-black-bag-man-sighting-91466-31974005/

And on the same day:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witnesses-saw-1361257

I cannot imagine why I would quote the DM... so I won't. There are articles from the DM making refernce to 'bin bag' a day in advance of the articles posted above, but quotes witness as saying 'black bag'.

...bearing in mind that this is not a direct quote (re: bin bag).
 
Earlier articles:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...ene-of-black-bag-man-sighting-91466-31974005/

And on the same day:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witnesses-saw-1361257

I cannot imagine why I would quote the DM... so I won't. There are articles from the DM making refernce to 'bin bag' a day in advance of the articles posted above, but quotes witness as saying 'black bag'.

...bearing in mind that this is not a direct quote (re: bin bag).

*excuse the spelling errors... remember headlines sell newspapers, not the content.
 
Earlier articles:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...ene-of-black-bag-man-sighting-91466-31974005/

And on the same day:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witnesses-saw-1361257

I cannot imagine why I would quote the DM... so I won't. There are articles from the DM making refernce to 'bin bag' a day in advance of the articles posted above, but quotes witness as saying 'black bag'.

...bearing in mind that this is not a direct quote (re: bin bag).

I'm in agreement with your post earlier about needing to read things properly and to make account for perception and fabrication. It seems you may be guilty yourself.

The witness I think you refer to in the DM article isn't a witness to the act but the father of a witness. This could easily be his perception of what his daughter told him.
 
I have been thinking the same, but didn't want to say it, I thought maybe different parts in different places...

Awful, your mind can't take it in.



I have not wanted to voice them ,but my thoughts have run along similar lines.

I think that is how they picked up such significant forensic evidence to charge him with murder.
 
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