Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*
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Oh wow, this is real stomach churning stuff.
I feel so awful for the family and friends who have to hear this - it's bad enough hearing it as an outsider, I cannot comprehend what her parents must be feeling.
Since I heard about the bone fragments, I've been trying to work out why the search has continued and the only thing I can come up with is that the ash and residue in the grate was insufficient to account for an entire body being disposed of in that way. I'm sorry, that sounds awful when written down.
I feel so awful for the family and friends who have to hear this - it's bad enough hearing it as an outsider, I cannot comprehend what her parents must be feeling.
Since I heard about the bone fragments, I've been trying to work out why the search has continued and the only thing I can come up with is that the ash and residue in the grate was insufficient to account for an entire body being disposed of in that way. I'm sorry, that sounds awful when written down.
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Ms Evans has just asked the jury a series of questions they might want to consider when hearing the evidence.
"This all took place in a heavily built up estate, close to houses, close to people.
"Did he call for help?
"Did he go for help?
"Did he go to hospital?
"Did he drive anywhere for assistance?
"Did he tell anyone what he had done?"
She added: "Questions which the answer is a resounding no."
Bridger, Ms Evans said, is seen on CCTV driving away from the Bryn y Gog via a "back road".She said Bridger was captured on camera driving past the location referred to as the memorial at around 7.20pm.
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Ms Evans has just asked the jury a series of questions they might want to consider when hearing the evidence.
"This all took place in a heavily built up estate, close to houses, close to people.
"Did he call for help?
"Did he go for help?
"Did he go to hospital?
"Did he drive anywhere for assistance?
"Did he tell anyone what he had done?"
She added: "Questions which the answer is a resounding no."
Bridger, Ms Evans said, is seen on CCTV driving away from the Bryn y Gog via a "back road".She said Bridger was captured on camera driving past the location referred to as the memorial at around 7.20pm.
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3.48
Ms Evans has just reminded the jury that she does not have to prove why Bridger did what he*is accused of.
She said: "The prosecution does not have to prove a motive for the defendant's actions, that's not an ingredient for these offences but this is a case where the evidence, we say, clearly indicates a sexual motive and we cannot realistically assess the facts, we say, without knowing what interests the defendant."
Ms Evans has just reminded the jury that she does not have to prove why Bridger did what he*is accused of.
She said: "The prosecution does not have to prove a motive for the defendant's actions, that's not an ingredient for these offences but this is a case where the evidence, we say, clearly indicates a sexual motive and we cannot realistically assess the facts, we say, without knowing what interests the defendant."
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The jury are being*shown a "presentation" of Bridger's "picture library".
Prior to being shown the images, both Mr Evans and Judge John Griffith-Williams apologised for the fact the images had to be viewed.
Ms Evans described the images as "very unpleasant".
The jury are being*shown a "presentation" of Bridger's "picture library".
Prior to being shown the images, both Mr Evans and Judge John Griffith-Williams apologised for the fact the images had to be viewed.
Ms Evans described the images as "very unpleasant".
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BBM - if I remember rightly, they searched his house on the Thursday, after he was arrested on the Tuesday, and he was charged shortly after, so it would seem the blood was discovered early, albeit they probably needed equipment to * find* the blood
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I think that must be the case, that they felt there was still a body, or some part of a body to be found elsewhere.
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This is so incredibly sad and worse than imagined.
Right back when MB was arrested there was some belief that the search was focusing on areas based on what MB had told them in inteview, and I remember thinking, back then, this man is saying nothing, otherwise why are the police searching land and sea.
And so it would seem...he has a wonderfully selective memory.
Her poor parents and family, having to listen to this horrendous detail, I am sure they were told in advance, but even so, it is unimaginable to think how they must be feeling....
Right back when MB was arrested there was some belief that the search was focusing on areas based on what MB had told them in inteview, and I remember thinking, back then, this man is saying nothing, otherwise why are the police searching land and sea.
And so it would seem...he has a wonderfully selective memory.
Her poor parents and family, having to listen to this horrendous detail, I am sure they were told in advance, but even so, it is unimaginable to think how they must be feeling....
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Among the pictures found in a file called "clothes" were pictures of Soham murder victims*Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman and pictures of murder victims from America, France and Turkey.
In another folder were cartoon pictures of children engaged in sexual acts.
Ms Evans then gave examples of the types of search terms that were found on Bridger's computer.
Among them were "naked five-year-old girls" and "pictures of naked virgin teens".
The jury were then shown graphic*pornographic images of children from what Ms Evans described as a "fairly substantial library".
Midway through the "presentation" the judge decided it was a good time to adjourn proceedings for the day.
All of the images shown to the jury so far*had been saved on Bridger's computer prior to April's disappearance, the court was told.
Advising the nine women and three men before they left for the day, Judge John Griffith-Williams said: "This is a very early stage in the trial, you must not rush to any conclusions at all."Proceedings were then adjourned until 10am tomorrow.
Among the pictures found in a file called "clothes" were pictures of Soham murder victims*Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman and pictures of murder victims from America, France and Turkey.
In another folder were cartoon pictures of children engaged in sexual acts.
Ms Evans then gave examples of the types of search terms that were found on Bridger's computer.
Among them were "naked five-year-old girls" and "pictures of naked virgin teens".
The jury were then shown graphic*pornographic images of children from what Ms Evans described as a "fairly substantial library".
Midway through the "presentation" the judge decided it was a good time to adjourn proceedings for the day.
All of the images shown to the jury so far*had been saved on Bridger's computer prior to April's disappearance, the court was told.
Advising the nine women and three men before they left for the day, Judge John Griffith-Williams said: "This is a very early stage in the trial, you must not rush to any conclusions at all."Proceedings were then adjourned until 10am tomorrow.
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i think they can only do DNA on bone if the bone marrow is still present which
may not be when burnt (not an expert just MOO)
So the last sighting was of her getting into his car with him, her blood and a bone fragment most likely belonging to a juvenile were found in his house and he admits that he "probably" killed her???
Sounds pretty cut and dry on the surface of it, so l really don't understand why the search continued for so long and why they're estimating the trial to last up to 6 weeks. I've read the other posts speculating that the search could have been ongoing for other body parts (sorry for the mental image) but that doesn't sound like the whole story to me.
I think that once the details start to come out over the next weeks things aren't going to be that simple. There has to be more to this than meets the eye.
Thoughts are with her poor parents today and here's hoping that April gets the justice she deserves.
Sounds pretty cut and dry on the surface of it, so l really don't understand why the search continued for so long and why they're estimating the trial to last up to 6 weeks. I've read the other posts speculating that the search could have been ongoing for other body parts (sorry for the mental image) but that doesn't sound like the whole story to me.
I think that once the details start to come out over the next weeks things aren't going to be that simple. There has to be more to this than meets the eye.
Thoughts are with her poor parents today and here's hoping that April gets the justice she deserves.
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I'm not sure why people are saying it took so long to say April was dead. Bridger was arrested the day after she went missing, 2 October, and then on 5 October LE confirmed he was arrested on suspicion of murder, with the court appearance after the weekend.
The search continued - having asked the public to stand down - because there was evidence to suggest she was dismembered and not all the parts dealt with within the home. He didn't have a great deal of time with the village mobilising to search that night but he may have found it easier if he was only carrying small items. Sadly she could be anywhere.
(sorry if this sounds unemotional but that's how I deal with things)
The search continued - having asked the public to stand down - because there was evidence to suggest she was dismembered and not all the parts dealt with within the home. He didn't have a great deal of time with the village mobilising to search that night but he may have found it easier if he was only carrying small items. Sadly she could be anywhere.
(sorry if this sounds unemotional but that's how I deal with things)
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That was my thought, too. It takes a very high temperature to turn bone to ash.
My initial thoughts too
Thanks Slug. A quick look on google showed there are methods to extract dna from burnt bones,how accurate or widely used they are I don't know.
I just am not sure from the reporting if it is a fact that they were human bones. He was a hunter wasn't he? Today was a shocker, mostly because we knew none of the evidence at all. The fact that the judge has said this trial could go on for around two months, means there must be alot of information to come out from both the defence and prosecution.
The blood found in his flat for me is alarming. Could it have come from him handling the injured bleeding child,would there have been alot, or did he take the bleeding child into his flat? but there was none found in the car that we know of,and he hasnt as far as we know said he took her there but laid her out somewhere out of the rain? its not looking like a tragic accident and hiding the body in the wild out of panic.
The computer content is disturbing but isnt proof in itself he abused or murdered her.
No need to say sorry - it's a very good summary of the facts, and we all need reminding of them from time to time.
For clarity, my questioning is not so much about the time it took to announce that she was dead (which you've already dealt with above.)
It's more about the scale and length of the search.
I've heard it reported several times over the months that this was the biggest search in UK policing history. Whether that statistic is right or not, I think it's fair to say that they were pulling out all the stops which would imply to me that perhaps the evidence found at Bridger's house is not as clear cut and as absolutely conclusive as they would have liked in order to absolutely guarantee a conviction.
It also continued over a 6 month period straddling a harsh winter. If they were indeed completely convinced of what had happened and that they were looking for "parts" rather than a "whole", surely the effort would have been futile after that length of time?
Please don't think that I'm defending him here.
Even if anyone can be convinced by the car accident defence (which right now would seem to need some sort of miracle), by his own admission he caused her death and combined with the contents of his computer he's an utterly disgusting and despicable individual.
I just think that the evidence against him may turn out not to be quite as clear cut as it would seem to be in these early stages.
Yes, I also feel there is far more to come. For the trial estimated to take this long, I just wonder how this will pan out. It seems to me that even after what has been said today, not enough conclusive evidence has been found at the house. However, hard as it may be, he did have (or could get hold of) equipment to dismember a body. Really shudder with this one.
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I think because the police kept talking about searching for April, rather than using words like "body" or "remains". And wasn't there some talk of there being hope that she was still alive? I'd have to do a bit of searching to find any quotes, but will look when I have more time.
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