GUILTY UK - Blake, 14 & Tristan Barrass, 13, dead, 4 hospitalized, Sheffield, May 2019 *Arrests*

[Alyce]

Why are they all reporting it as SB has been remanded and not BM as well ?

 

[Alyce]

MSM confirming the relationship


She appeared with her half-brother Brandon Machin, 37, also charged with murdering the two boys.

Sheffield murder suspect mum shouted three words after breaking down in court

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Looking at her facebook postings my impression is attention seeking and victim like behaviour which are traits of Borderline PD.

IMO

Exactly what I was thinking but wasn't sure if I should discuss what I've seen! Borderline or even a mixture of that and other personality disorders such as histrionic or narcissism.

Unfortunately, I know someone quite like this...extreme bouts of swinging from loving people to hating them, plenty of talk about 'karma', being a victim and ultimately, always focused on their own feelings above those of others.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Hi all! Just found this thread. How horrific! My prayers to the surviving children and other family members.

I have not read the sm rumors. My first thought was some kind of extreme religious type of motivation? Maybe it was meant to be murder/suicide of the whole family. A folie a deux type of thing? jmo

Very sad for the kids

I would say she is not at all religious judging by the kind of things she has posted on sm.

 

[Tortoise]

Why are they all reporting it as SB has been remanded and not BM as well ?

Found one that says he was remanded also.

At the end of the hearing, Judge Thomas remanded the pair in custody.
Mum accused of murdering teenage sons remanded in custody until trial

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Why are they all reporting it as SB has been remanded and not BM as well ?

Some people have been saying this is sexist because media are just focussed on the mother. Maybe it's because she reportedly shouted and said "they're my children' and complained about the court getting their names right...whilst the male accused stayed silent. So really just less to report about him?
Or maybe the people in the court heard more about what happened and think the charges against the man are less likely to stick?

 

[mrazda71]

Hi all! Just found this thread. How horrific! My prayers to the surviving children and other family members.

I have not read the sm rumors. My first thought was some kind of extreme religious type of motivation? Maybe it was meant to be murder/suicide of the whole family. A folie a deux type of thing? jmo

Very sad for the kids

I'd think that perhaps that might be a possibility in America but very unlikely here in the UK, we're not a highly religious people these days and even less so to a fanatica/extreme way.

Not sure I can even recall a religiously motivated familial murder ... discounting 'honor killing' etc

 

[Legally Bland]

Some people have been saying this is sexist because media are just focussed on the mother. Maybe it's because she reportedly shouted and said "they're my children' and complained about the court getting their names right...whilst the male accused stayed silent. So really just less to report about him?
Or maybe the people in the court heard more about what happened and think the charges against the man are less likely to stick?

She also has the 3 attempted murder charges over 2 days which he doesn't. But I'd be happy for them to have equal focus until we know more.

 

[Rosegold68]

the philpott case certainly comes to mind when trying to figure out this one

i've read the rumours....sickening,and i vowed not to look again, but im going back for thoughts on todays court hearing

the children grandmother was posting last night, made for an interesting evening!

 

[Alyce]

Sheffield Crown Court 7 T20197237
brandon machin
sarah barrass
Details: For Preliminary Hearing - Case Started - 10:04
For Preliminary Hearing - Reporting Restrictions. For details please contact the Court Manager - 10:14
For Preliminary Hearing - Hearing finished for BRANDON MACHIN - 10:19

 

[Rosegold68]

6 children. of course there is the possibility some may have been SEN or have disabilities.

 

[mrazda71]

6 children. of course there is the possibility some may have been SEN or have disabilities.

Can you expand?

 

[mrazda71]

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The term Munchausens is no longer used.
The term used now is Factitious disorder/ on self or on another.

It's something I know a little about and on what we know now, I would have that waaaay down the list on motive.
People with FDIA don't want to kill the person they're using - there is usually long term, increasing abuse, yes, and perhaps occasionally life is lost as a result but that would be unintentional.

This case is very clearly a double murder and triple attempted murder.

I sincerely hope the surviving children are placed in good care and can go on to be given some semblance of a 'normal life' though the older 2 children will never be able to forget the horror they've been through

 

[Sleuthdolf]

The term Munchausens is no longer used.
The term used now is Factitious disorder/ on self or on another.

It's something I know a little about and on what we know now, I would have that waaaay down the list on motive.
People with FDIA don't want to kill the person they're using - there is usually long term, increasing abuse, yes, and perhaps occasionally life is lost as a result but that would be unintentional.

This case is very clearly a double murder and triple attempted murder.

I sincerely hope the surviving children are placed in good care and can go on to be given some semblance of a 'normal life' though the older 2 children will never be able to forget the horror they've been through

Thanks for your detailed response. I didn't read much into it, probably should have before posting. Was thinking about Beverley Allitt. Something about her FB history made me think of that.

 

[meanmaryjean]

6 children. of course there is the possibility some may have been SEN or have disabilities.

This American is not familiar with the acronym 'SEN' - can you enlighten please?

 

[Legally Bland]

This American is not familiar with the acronym 'SEN' - can you enlighten please?

Special educational needs.


Court artist sketch:


Sheffield mum Sarah Barrass accused of murdering two sons to stand trial

 

[kirkassoc]

I'm sure I'm a day late and a dollar short, but did they ever release the cause of deaths?

 

[Alyce]

I'm sure I'm a day late and a dollar short, but did they ever release the cause of deaths?

No, they have said they are witholding the info for operational reasons


( ps love that expression, it used to be my motto ! )

 

[Mercsw]

Special educational needs.


Court artist sketch:
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Sheffield mum Sarah Barrass accused of murdering two sons to stand trial

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From what I’ve seen unofficially reported (and remember this was originally reported as a shooting locally) this is possibly the sickest case I’ve ever read about. If half of what I read is true then there has been around half a century of failings in regards to this lot. The details are likely to cause a level of hatred unlike any other so I don’t see any benefit in sharing it ahead of a jury being selected and sworn in (November I believe).

Any semblance of a fair trial is out the window and uncle and nanny threatening other people with violence and wishing death to their kids isn’t adding any sympathy for anyone bar the innocent kids who have suffered.

 

[AliceInPain]

sbm

From what I’ve seen unofficially reported ... this is possibly the sickest case I’ve ever read about.

Me too. And those very vocal relatives haven't denied any of it as far as I've seen. Those poor, poor little kids, I hope the surviving ones are in a safe loving place right now, the oldest ones will likely never get over this.