UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #5

[Nikynoo]

Wonder what his motivation is for saying that? He doesn't want to get done for driving without a license/insurance? Insurance companies don't like having convictions

perhaps he was sat in the back seat?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Is there any evidence that CM and MG went to Peru or is it just a story? I'm wondering if the UK authorities would have given him consent to go there and also, if so, would the Peruvian authorities have agreed to have an incoming passenger with his convictions and conditional check in status?

 

[Nikynoo]

Is there any evidence that CM and MG went to Peru or is it just a story? I'm wondering if the UK authorities would have given him consent to go there and also, if so, would the Peruvian authorities have agreed to have an incoming passenger with his convictions and conditional check in status?

Who knows. I wonder if they live in a fantasy world.

 

[FromGermany1]

Constance Marten's boyfriend claimed he was being treated like a 'dog'

Mark Gordon (pictured) said he was 'in pain' and demanded 'pills' as officers questioned him and about the whereabouts of his missing child in the hours before the newborn 's body was found.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Idk, if this was already posted? Don't find it atm. It's worth a read, IMO. A lot of patience required by officers, when handling such a pair.

 

[InstantCoffee]

Looking at this website

Travelling abroad with a criminal record - Country by country - Unlock

Aim of this page If you’ve been convicted of a criminal offence in the past, then your opportunities for entering another country may be limited. It can be difficult to get a definitive answer as to what questions are being asked by a country’s immigration department about criminal records. The...

unlock.org.uk

You do not need a visa to travel from the UK to Peru as a tourist. Presumably MG had a passport from re-entering the UK, so apart from his checking in with police as on licence, I can't see that there would anything to stop him just buying a ticket and going! And CM presumably had plenty of money to purchase tickets for the both of them.

 

[Zuleika]

Where is today's Argos link ?

 

[Luwin]

Constance Marten 'an excellent mother', baby death trial heard

Live updates from Constance Marten and Mark Gordon trial

www.theargus.co.uk

 

[Alyce]

Where is today's Argos link ?

dbm, Luwin already posted it

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I am keen to see how the defence explains how Victoria slept between CM and MG in a sleeping bag in the tent (Argus today) when according to CM the baby had already died in Harwich (before they even purchased the tent and sleeping bag in London.)
Indeed CCTV footage at the kebab shop shows that Victoria was most definitely alive after Harwich. I don't think CM counted on the police having that footage when she made her police statement.

Good catch

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Who knows. I wonder if they live in a fantasy world.

IMO / everything they say/do has some purpose. They want to be married, they make it something that can’t be checked. They would never have survived a long flight without “help”.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Wonder what his motivation is for saying that? He doesn't want to get done for driving without a license/insurance? Insurance companies don't like having convictions

MG says and does what’s best for MG. Very likely he doesn’t have a UK driving license. Was arrested in USA probably before got one, if had USA one would have expired and in any event, would need to take theory & practical in UK as UK requires this if have US license.
He likes his girl CM because she is an ATM, needs to hang on to her for money.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

(From the Argus live reporting)

Someone needs to tell CM to get her facts straight; if they were legally married in Peru then they're legally married here

Getting married abroad

Requirements, paperwork and processes for weddings and civil partnerships overseas - registration, restrictions, fees

www.gov.uk

Further details, specifically for Peru
Marriage in Peru - Getting married abroad - GOV.UK

Either she's lying, or it wasn't a legal ceremony in either Peru or the UK - just a handfasting or something equally non-legal.

She did not say they married legally in Peru, AFAIK, just they married in Peru, and it wasn't recognized in the UK, so if it were more of a symbolic marriage, as you mentioned, handfasting or similar, then She would have her facts straight.
I cannot find a link for the official Peruvian law. Still, several wedding websites and the US government sites say that to be legally married in Peru, one of them needs to be a Peruvian citizen, so by deduction, I'm guessing it was not a legal ceremony in Peru and thus not recognized in the UK, also not recognized in Peru but in her interview, she was in the UK and thus 'here' would be relevant at the time.
JMO

 

[Knitty]

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