UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[Blamhappy]

I'm probably getting mixed up with images. Sorry if so.

Regarding Nicola, I've always found her genuine. My heart breaks for her :-(

 

[cottonweaver]

I'm probably getting mixed up with images. Sorry if so.

Regarding Nicola, I've always found her genuine. My heart breaks for her :-(

Yes, she is so used to be strong in her work role that it must be very hard for her now.
Wish they'd showed a new, different video of Corrie, that would have gained more attention re. their purposes: maintaining public interest and tugging at the conscience, if appropriate, of anyone who might know something.
Even photos of the phone model/shoes/ clothing ( yes I know they are already on the website...)

 

[Shiressleuth]

Morning all, it's been a while but I see you've kept busy, I can't possibly catch up with it all so forgive me if I repeat things.

I just watched This Morning and, as others have said, not much new except I didn't know he was out with 5 lads from base. Did they travel in one car or two?

Hi cagney. Its always been two- that was how they left him behind thinking he was in other car. So must have been 2 and 3 or 1 and 4 in the cars for that mistake to be made in 2 x 5 seater cars prob 2 and 3 IMO. We have been busy and have discounted C in bin lorry, landfill and the phone pongs. Now we have nothing at all. Not really - we have 3 vehicles and drivers spoken to, I vehicle with no reason to be in bin area. 2 independent possible sightings of C on A14. And people staying in flats in horseshoe with no record of them. Please anyone add anything I've missed or got wrong.

 

[Hermit Holmes]

Someone is DEFINATELY telling untruths in the system or trying to be discreet with information, economical with the truth, misinformed....call it what you will. I make no wonder we're 13+ Threads in and no further forward!
0324-around0430?!!



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Have to completely agree with this.

If corrie had initially agreed a lift in with his friends, surely he would have provisionally agreed a lift back, or shared arrangements to get home, I guess, around the time of clubs kicking out. 3.30 is a pretty appropriate meeting time.

These five friends? Where are they? There seems to be no firm evidence (please correct me if i'm wrong) that Corrie had definitely met up with them.

15 mins in the first bar, 40/50 mins in Wetherspoons, Corrie had been witnessed singing in the first bar? and socialising around various tables in Weterspoons. He was then in flex for around an hour. All these licensed premises should have cctv installed as stated by their license. Did corrie meet up with his friends? Does any cctv footage suggest 'vibes' between these friends, e.g. hugging, dancing, aggression, dispute?

One thing I'm struggling to get my head around. How drunk was Corrie? And how did this affect his ability to potentially defend himself. He is a well built lad, physically fit with army training, even if he was fairly drunk, i'd still expect him to be able to offer some sort of defence. This for me rules out any sort of...bundled in car scenario. Potential ambush in the Horseshoe is a possibility, but there is no forensic evidence to be found.

All this leads me to believe Corrie met somebody he knew. Willingly entered a vehicle, that travelled a similar route to the bin lorry. What happened then...? Still thinking on that one.

My feeling is if Corrie had an altercation it would have to be someone who is physically superior, or, more than one person involved.

I'm certain, that those five friends know more than they have revealed, and as Midsummer says, certain information is not being revealed for whatever reason.

HH

 

[Northern Light]

Morning all, it's been a while but I see you've kept busy, I can't possibly catch up with it all so forgive me if I repeat things.

I just watched This Morning and, as others have said, not much new except I didn't know he was out with 5 lads from base. Did they travel in one car or two?

Good morning Cagney. Nice to see you.

 

[Miss_French]

Someone is DEFINATELY telling untruths in the system or trying to be discreet with information, economical with the truth, misinformed....call it what you will. I make no wonder we're 13+ Threads in and no further forward!
0324-around0430?!!

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Sorry Midsummer! I was thinking of you when I posted that!

That is exactly what was said. PS was reading it from a paper script. Nicola was nodding.

She then added that it pinged on a micromast at 5 ways roundabout, could be up to 5km away and it's left Bury and got to that mast in 26 minutes. And suggested it could have been stolen or gone in the bin...

Then again, PS went on about leaving the horseshoe by breaking into or having access to the shops. N never corrected this directly, when she was asked for her theories, it was still there, left on foot, left in a vehicle.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes, that's the one I meant. Apologies - are people not looking at that and thinking it might be Corrie? I know the running man is being discussed a lot, but I thought this image too? I know it's not confirmed to be a woman, but it definitely looks like one, and I personally feel that it definitely isn't Corrie. I think there is an even clearer version of it than the one above.

I thought this image was no longer needing id? As it is not in the current ones? Have I missed something again?
Edit .Just remembered we still have a Uncle T update to look forward to -presuming it will go on website or MSM (please TW?)

 

[Miss_French]

Have to completely agree with this.

If corrie had initially agreed a lift in with his friends, surely he would have provisionally agreed a lift back, or shared arrangements to get home, I guess, around the time of clubs kicking out. 3.30 is a pretty appropriate meeting time.

These five friends? Where are they? There seems to be no firm evidence (please correct me if i'm wrong) that Corrie had definitely met up with them.

15 mins in the first bar, 40/50 mins in Wetherspoons, Corrie had been witnessed singing in the first bar? and socialising around various tables in Weterspoons. He was then in flex for around an hour. All these licensed premises should have cctv installed as stated by their license. Did corrie meet up with his friends? Does any cctv footage suggest 'vibes' between these friends, e.g. hugging, dancing, aggression, dispute?

One thing I'm struggling to get my head around. How drunk was Corrie? And how did this affect his ability to potentially defend himself. He is a well built lad, physically fit with army training, even if he was fairly drunk, i'd still expect him to be able to offer some sort of defence. This for me rules out any sort of...bundled in car scenario. Potential ambush in the Horseshoe is a possibility, but there is no forensic evidence to be found.

All this leads me to believe Corrie met somebody he knew. Willingly entered a vehicle, that travelled a similar route to the bin lorry. What happened then...? Still thinking on that one.

My feeling is if Corrie had an altercation it would have to be someone who is physically superior, or, more than one person involved.

I'm certain, that those five friends know more than they have revealed, and as Midsummer says, certain information is not being revealed for whatever reason.

HH

Nicola said Corrie wasn't planning on going out, hence the confusion on people thinking he was in the other car.

I am pretty sure the Look East item, where they went round the bars, said he had caught up with his friends.

 

[Blueazman74]

I thought this image was no longer needing id? As it is not in the current ones? Have I missed something again?
Edit .Just remembered we still have a Uncle T update to look forward to -presuming it will go on website or MSM (please TW?)

It should end up on the findcorrie website, but is available elsewhere.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I was thinking about something similar, they know the GPS was turned off simply because they can see that nothing was transmitted or recorded or whatever the technical term is. Essentially the same as when the phone stops pinging you know it's not turned on

JMO

Not necessarily.

GPS does not need a direct line of sight to the sky (and hence satellites) to work, which is why one can track a vehicle with a tracker device stuck underneath it, but it does not work if it is encased in metal, so if Corrie and his phone were both shoved into a car boot and remained there until the phone battery died then the phone would not be able to pick up GPS.

 

[cottonweaver]

I thought this image was no longer needing id? As it is not in the current ones? Have I missed something again?

from findcorrie website "CCTV Stills – Unidentified Persons – 27th December 2016"

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/12/27/cctv-stills-unidentified-persons-27th-december-2016/

 

[Shiressleuth]

Someone is DEFINATELY telling untruths in the system or trying to be discreet with information, economical with the truth, misinformed....call it what you will. I make no wonder we're 13+ Threads in and no further forward!
0324-around0430?!!

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AFAIK LE have always said 4.30 at mildrnhall so to whom are you referring? MSM?

 

[Miss_French]

AFAIK LE have always said 4.30 at mildrnhall so to whom are you referring? MSM?

Today's interview on This Morning.

 

[suzyjackson]

Have to completely agree with this.

If corrie had initially agreed a lift in with his friends, surely he would have provisionally agreed a lift back, or shared arrangements to get home, I guess, around the time of clubs kicking out. 3.30 is a pretty appropriate meeting time.

These five friends? Where are they? There seems to be no firm evidence (please correct me if i'm wrong) that Corrie had definitely met up with them.

15 mins in the first bar, 40/50 mins in Wetherspoons, Corrie had been witnessed singing in the first bar? and socialising around various tables in Weterspoons. He was then in flex for around an hour. All these licensed premises should have cctv installed as stated by their license. Did corrie meet up with his friends? Does any cctv footage suggest 'vibes' between these friends, e.g. hugging, dancing, aggression, dispute?

One thing I'm struggling to get my head around. How drunk was Corrie? And how did this affect his ability to potentially defend himself. He is a well built lad, physically fit with army training, even if he was fairly drunk, i'd still expect him to be able to offer some sort of defence. This for me rules out any sort of...bundled in car scenario. Potential ambush in the Horseshoe is a possibility, but there is no forensic evidence to be found.

All this leads me to believe Corrie met somebody he knew. Willingly entered a vehicle, that travelled a similar route to the bin lorry. What happened then...? Still thinking on that one.

My feeling is if Corrie had an altercation it would have to be someone who is physically superior, or, more than one person involved.

I'm certain, that those five friends know more than they have revealed, and as Midsummer says, certain information is not being revealed for whatever reason.

HH

I have no doubt in my own mind that the 5 friends will have told the family and police everything that they can remember about the night and will have done so withing days of Corrie first going missing meaning that their recollections will be the most accurate of any that have been collected.

These aren't being made public, (investigative reasons/something to do with the RAF/respecting the privavcy of the friends - who knows) but I'm sure that the answers to your questions are known. Unless the friends are involved in the disappearance, which doesn't seem at all likely from what we know, I can't see any reason for them not to be fully co-operative, they are his friends after all and unless we are going to doubt everything Nicola says IMO there's no reason to think otherwise

JMO

Watching and waiting for a findcorrie update

 

[Simone44]

Hi cagney. Its always been two- that was how they left him behind thinking he was in other car. So must have been 2 and 3 or 1 and 4 in the cars for that mistake to be made in 2 x 5 seater cars prob 2 and 3 IMO. We have been busy and have discounted C in bin lorry, landfill and the phone pongs. Now we have nothing at all. Not really - we have 3 vehicles and drivers spoken to, I vehicle with no reason to be in bin area. 2 independent possible sightings of C on A14. And people staying in flats in horseshoe with no record of them. Please anyone add anything I've missed or got wrong.

We also have the people carrier with something odd shaped in the front which 3 men were seen trying to set on fire in a layby near Blo Norton the day after Corrie went missing.Nicola has been asking for the police to investigate this further.

 

[LorriB]

Not necessarily.

GPS does not need a direct line of sight to the sky (and hence satellites) to work, which is why one can track a vehicle with a tracker device stuck underneath it, but it does not work if it is encased in metal, so if Corrie and his phone were both shoved into a car boot and remained there until the phone battery died then the phone would not be able to pick up GPS.

Can a phone ping at masts if encased in metal? Establishing if it's possible to do so from within the bin lorry would possibly discount the theory it was in the bin. This would then leave only two options:

Corrie was in a veichle around the same time as the bin lorry travelling with his phone.

Corrie was deliberately parted from his phone and someone else traveled to BM with it.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Thanks for re-posting that. See what you mean re Greenwood's camera - yes " how easily hughes doorway could be seen from greenwoods cam. " Agreed.
Got another look at running white guy too - POD viewings in BSE- who must have now identified/eliminated himself.

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2016-11-24/cctv-images-of-individuals-seen-on-morning-corrie-disappeared-go-on-show-to-public/

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[MidsummersDay]

Philip Schofield saying "From 3.24 am to around 4.30am the police were able to trace Corrie's mobile phone from Bury to Barton Mills."

Ping-pong is right!! What does that do for all the phone mapping?

Looking into it now. Standby...


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[MidsummersDay]

:truce: White flag time!

what mph was it again - midsummer calculated it pages ago.
Also midsummer - what are the asterisks and diamonds on your map above.

there was also a pdf map with every camera on it but can't even find it now.

The speed of the phone is contentious at the moment and NOT accurate. The post I made was based on information we had at the time. I now need to review it...(75-124mph?!!!).

The asterisk and diamonds are commercial shop and council run CCTV camera placements. The red areas are possible camera views given what we've seen so far. Note the angles and wall gaps.

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[MelmothTheLost]

Apparently it was too 'distressing'.

I thought we'd dispensed with the "distressing" thing as it was merely speculation as to why that particular CCTV hadn't been released. Unless I've now missed something, there's been no confirmation to support that idea.