UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[Dcflag]

Does he visit WS? :thinking:

Gt is greater than, our lovely mod

 

[cottonweaver]

Gt is greater than, our lovely mod

I meant somebody else DC - I meant TW, if u follow...... ( GT is female)

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and put forward an awol theory.

So, Corrie has left of his own accord, why would he do this? There's a suggestion he is struggling with raf marham mentions and having a dog in blocked which has been overlooked (imo)

The family know he's a vunerable person, that there's reason for him to want to leave. Perhaps escaping debt or a family issue.

So, Nicola knows it's a high probability, what's her next move? I can certainly tell you what I would do as a mother.

I would present Corrie as a happy carefree person, winging it and happy to take risks such as get into a strangers car. I would push the abduction third party theory. Why? Because an adult person who has expressed signs of wanting to leave his life is not a high priority. By pushing a criminal angle there is priority, resources and police help to locate him.

Now, how do you keep his case in the public eye and increase momentum and pressure so the police continue searching even with no third party involvement? You build a rapport with the public based on social media. You claim transparency by providing updates and information.

Except there is no solid information, he's awol remember? So out comes the irrelevant information, attempted car burning, raf marham abduction attempt links, efits and pizza workers (awful to do publicly imo) each talking point brings more exposure and furore. This would explain why facts are so muddied, because they're irrelevant. If believed he left of his own accord why push the bin lorry?

This has achieved a huge impact in both supporters, donations and pressure on police to do more to find him.

This is not meant to be victim blaming or bashing, it's an honest opinion on what I would consider if I were in this situation. Because the alternative is to let corries case fade into oblivion with the only hope of locating him being family resources and family money, if he left the country who knows if they'd be able to find that search?

The only issue I see here is who helped him? And where did he go? He must have some loyal friend/s or partner to assist him.

All good points IMO . N is desperate to keep him in the news and they obviously have very little to go on. She just wants him back.

 

[suzyjackson]

I meant somebody else DC - I meant TW, if u follow...... ( GT is female)

A VI would be very useful :waiting:

 

[Blueazman74]

With reference to the misunderstandings/misinformation regarding CCTV and being able to leave on foot.

My understanding is that once the camera had turned away, C could move around within the HS space, leaving it to reach further down Shortbrackland to another bin store and other buildings, or directly across the HS to the other buildings. We now know some of these have been searched, although not forensically.

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/12/30/the-horseshoe-cctv-map-update-nicola-30th-december-2016/

If C had walked further down any of the lanes/roads leading away, then he would be picked up from another camera.

Everything I have read from the family where appearing contradictory leads to my description above.

 

[LorriB]

I see now why only MSM is allowed, but even then, even that keeps changing as Nicola keeps changing many details. As @Northern Light said, initially there was "No way" he could have left the horseshoe unless in car.

I think that the family have maintained in all of the examples that he could not have left the 'horseshoe area' which included the local vicinity. This was then clarified as to which area precisely it concerned. I don't think anything has changed here- he still could not leave the area on foot without being seen by one of the cameras. I can definitely see how what has been said could be misleading though.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Looking at all of the component parts here I am most troubled by the removal from Flex. Corrie is apparently known enough to the owner <modsnip> and the manager <modsnip> to tell them he "loved him" and "kissed him on the cheek". Surely Corrie's behaviour wasnt unusual for him, being the "social hand grenade" that he apparently is. Presumably he has behaved in said manner previously and not been removed. He clearly isn't paralytic or drunk enough to cause them to be concerned for his welfare.
So why remove him? Please discuss the following
1) If it was a management decision was it done to protect a member of staff...
2) Did the bouncer make his own decision to remove Corrie and could this then be born out of jealousy? Maybe over another member of staff.

My new theory- Corrie had no intention of going back to base until late Saturday.

He arranged to meet somebody, probably from Flex, who did not come alone (unwittingly). All 3 drive to Barton Mills area where a crime of passion occurs with one keeping silent through fear of reprisal

 

[Diamba85]

Nicola said Corrie wasn't planning on going out, hence the confusion on people thinking he was in the other car.

I am pretty sure the Look East item, where they went round the bars, said he had caught up with his friends.

On the findcorrie.co.uk site there's a piece about the bouncer that asked C to leave Flex and he clearly states that C entered Flex alone. That makes me wonder.


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[cottonweaver]

I think that the family have maintained in all of the examples that he could not have left the 'horseshoe area' which included the local vicinity. This was then clarified as to which area precisely it concerned. I don't think anything has changed here- he still could not leave the area on foot without being seen by one of the cameras. I can definitely see how what has been said could be misleading though.

Agree with this really.
Think it's just there was so much emphasis on the word "vanish" at the very start and " he can't just have disappeared" that the other caveats got lost in the message.

 

[lusijay]

But why would Nicola waste her breath saying every single room in the horseshoe had been forensically searched from top to bottom, back to front by forensics and cadaver dogs? Thats a pretty hefty statement to make if it isn't true, and she doesn't strike me as someone who would say that if it wasn't true, considering she has no issue with having the police look incompetent (and rightly so), to then go on and say it hasn't even been forensically searched, and not only that, but only a few of the buildings in the horseshoe have been "looked at".

Just........ Grr! x

 

[Northern Light]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and put forward an awol theory.

So, Corrie has left of his own accord, why would he do this? There's a suggestion he is struggling with raf marham mentions and having a dog in blocked which has been overlooked (imo)

The family know he's a vunerable person, that there's reason for him to want to leave. Perhaps escaping debt or a family issue.

So, Nicola knows it's a high probability, what's her next move? I can certainly tell you what I would do as a mother.

I would present Corrie as a happy carefree person, winging it and happy to take risks such as get into a strangers car. I would push the abduction third party theory. Why? Because an adult person who has expressed signs of wanting to leave his life is not a high priority. By pushing a criminal angle there is priority, resources and police help to locate him.

Now, how do you keep his case in the public eye and increase momentum and pressure so the police continue searching even with no third party involvement? You build a rapport with the public based on social media. You claim transparency by providing updates and information.

Except there is no solid information, he's awol remember? So out comes the irrelevant information, attempted car burning, raf marham abduction attempt links, efits and pizza workers (awful to do publicly imo) each talking point brings more exposure and furore. This would explain why facts are so muddied, because they're irrelevant. If believed he left of his own accord why push the bin lorry?

This has achieved a huge impact in both supporters, donations and pressure on police to do more to find him.

This is not meant to be victim blaming or bashing, it's an honest opinion on what I would consider if I were in this situation. Because the alternative is to let corries case fade into oblivion with the only hope of locating him being family resources and family money, if he left the country who knows if they'd be able to find that search?

The only issue I see here is who helped him? And where did he go? He must have some loyal friend/s or partner to assist him.

After my initial shock reading your thoughts, some good points as a strategy. It could explain the muddle I raised in my last post. London is not that far away and he may have discussed the option with one person and he could have been secretly wishing a different life for some time. If he is impulsive would he just go. JMO

 

[Diamba85]

Bit of a theory re: arranging lifts home.

Maybe the 5 friends had lost C whilst he socialised in one of the bars and assumed he'd not find them again for a lift home. This would mean they'd only need 1 designated driver and they could leave one car behind to fetch in the morning. Meaning one person who was supposed to be staying sober could now have a drink, (quite the prospect at 23). Then he finds his friends again and they tell him and he now knows a lift home from them isn't possible. That would explain why he's not tried contacting any of them. (I'm assuming he didn't because we haven't been told)


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[Shiressleuth]

I just put my phone in the filing cabinet at work- I work in an office that is built inside an industial unit that is made of steel beams etc, the filing cabinet is quite thick but it rang no problems! To be fair it has a very strong signal as the mast is only 1/2 a mile away.
going to repeat with find my phone app for gps and see if i can send the make my phone ring signal. - yep its found it and ringing ok.

I know not very scientific but I am conviced the bin lorry would have no effect on the phones gps or cell tower connection.

Well done! Now why didn't LE or all those experienced people think of that?Could have saved a lot of time and money IMO. Let us know about the GPS? Who needs the updates anyway?
Edit. Ok thanks you did.

 

[Blueazman74]

But why would Nicola waste her breath saying every single room in the horseshoe had been forensically searched from top to bottom, back to front by forensics and cadaver dogs? Thats a pretty hefty statement to make if it isn't true, and she doesn't strike me as someone who would say that if it wasn't true, considering she has no issue with having the police look incompetent (and rightly so), to then go on and say it hasn't even been forensically searched, and not only that, but only a few of the buildings in the horseshoe have been "looked at".



Just........ Grr! x

The area known as the Horseshoe is the area by the bins, I believe that has all been forensically searched. The area that hasn't been fully searched is across the otherside of the turning circle.

 

[Blueazman74]

I notice that Holly Willoughby wasn't presenting 'This Morning' as the usual co-presenter. Davina McCall was with Philip Schofield, I wonder if N took time to speak with Davina about Focus 12, Davina is a Patron of the charity.

 

[Diamba85]

I notice that Holly Willoughby wasn't presenting 'This Morning' as the usual co-presenter. Davina McCall was with Philip Schofield, I wonder if N took time to speak with Davina about Focus 12, Davina is a Patron of the charity.

I'm genuinely shocked at the connection.


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[Blueazman74]

Well done! Now why didn't LE or all those experienced people think of that?Could have saved a lot of time and money IMO. Let us know about the GPS? Who needs the updates anyway?
Edit. Ok thanks you did.

A filing cabinet will act very differently to a bin lorry, or any other metal box. Placing a metal lid over a metal tin will not stop signals penetrating, but if that lid was sealed closed, it would.

A filing cabinet has many open seams, to be certain you would need a real-life test, to see how a signal would react inside of a compacting bin lorry.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

As previously questioned, there has never been a report that F12 was forensically examined, only "looked at". I assume this was a "nope no body in here"....

 

[suzyjackson]

I notice that Holly Willoughby wasn't presenting 'This Morning' as the usual co-presenter. Davina McCall was with Philip Schofield, I wonder if N took time to speak with Davina about Focus 12, Davina is a Patron of the charity.

I think it was said on a previous thread that she had also been a client there

JMO


ETA a link, the wording doesn't make it clear whether she was a client of Focus12 but reading between the lines it seems quite possible

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/focus-12-miracles-happen-here-davina-1-416029

 

[Shiressleuth]

The area known as the Horseshoe is the area by the bins, I believe that has all been forensically searched. The area that hasn't been fully searched is across the otherside of the turning circle.

IMO the inside of the horseshoe buildings have not been searched. Some maybe, if tenants allowed it. LE said they leafleted properties they could not access. That is not a forensic interior search IMO but is just delivering a leaflet. Where is the LE link stating all HS buildings have been searched inside, forensically or otherwise?