UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[Northern Light]

Looking at all of the component parts here I am most troubled by the removal from Flex. Corrie is apparently known enough to the owner <modsnip> and the manager <modsnip> to tell them he "loved him" and "kissed him on the cheek". Surely Corrie's behaviour wasnt unusual for him, being the "social hand grenade" that he apparently is. Presumably he has behaved in said manner previously and not been removed. He clearly isn't paralytic or drunk enough to cause them to be concerned for his welfare.
So why remove him? Please discuss the following
1) If it was a management decision was it done to protect a member of staff...
2) Did the bouncer make his own decision to remove Corrie and could this then be born out of jealousy? Maybe over another member of staff.

My new theory- Corrie had no intention of going back to base until late Saturday.

He arranged to meet somebody, probably from Flex, who did not come alone (unwittingly). All 3 drive to Barton Mills area where a crime of passion occurs with one keeping silent through fear of reprisal

So the bouncer would know who Corrie was intending to meet. Why would the member of staff need protecting? Would that be during operational hours, due to Corrie drawing attention to himself and that person, with Corrie's attention unwelcome by the staff member?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

2 options

1) Staff member is an ex of Corrie and Corrie is pestering her, bouncer steps in etc.

2) Staff member is a current romantic contact and this comes with a jealousy issue.

Let's say it's known for Corrie to meet said staff member, either a honey trap occurs and C gets roughed up somewhere, or both C and the staff member are offered a lift by the jealous party...

So the bouncer would know who Corrie was intending to meet. Why would the member of staff need protecting? Would that be during operational hours, due to Corrie drawing attention to himself and that person, with Corrie's attention unwelcome by the staff member?

 

[Blueazman74]

IMO the inside of the horseshoe buildings have not been searched. Some maybe, if tenants allowed it. LE said they leafleted properties they could not access. That is not a forensic interior search IMO but is just delivering a leaflet. Where is the LE link stating all HS buildings have been searched inside, forensically or otherwise?

I accept what you are saying, this is the difficulty if taking what has been said by the family as accurate. The police are saying very little, but I believe doing rather a lot.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Bit of a theory re: arranging lifts home.

Maybe the 5 friends had lost C whilst he socialised in one of the bars and assumed he'd not find them again for a lift home. This would mean they'd only need 1 designated driver and they could leave one car behind to fetch in the morning. Meaning one person who was supposed to be staying sober could now have a drink, (quite the prospect at 23). Then he finds his friends again and they tell him and he now knows a lift home from them isn't possible. That would explain why he's not tried contacting any of them. (I'm assuming he didn't because we haven't been told)


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Perhaps they knew he wouldn't be getting a lift back with them based on previous experience and nights out? E.g. C would always go off on his own that was his nature.IMO.

 

[Northern Light]

2 options

1) Staff member is an ex of Corrie and Corrie is pestering her, bouncer steps in etc.

2) Staff member is a current romantic contact and this comes with a jealousy issue.

Let's say it's known for Corrie to meet said staff member, either a honey trap occurs and C gets roughed up somewhere, or both C and the staff member are offered a lift by the jealous party...

If this is in the horseshoe they will have ID'd the cars but if he managed to walk out of the horseshoe without being detected on camera, he could have entered a car elsewhere without being seen on camera?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Just to add, Corrie's car was parked almost as close to Flex as you can park. Maybe somebody else was planning on driving it that night.

 

[Diamba85]

Perhaps they knew he wouldn't be getting a lift back with them based on previous experience and nights out? E.g. C would always go off on his own that was his nature.IMO.

Yea totally. It fits in with why he wouldn't be trying to find/contact them. Be interesting to know if they took both or one car home that night.


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[PilgrimsPrayer]

The mystery of the 4th car.....

I think he walks out, down Looms Lane and is picked up on Angel Hill.

If this is in the horseshoe they will have ID'd the cars but if he managed to walk out of the horseshoe without being detected on camera, he could have entered a car elsewhere without being seen on camera?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Also, Flex is owned by the same guy who owns So Bar and a bar called Karooze which has an interesting aspect in terms of its position relative to Hughes.

 

[cottonweaver]

Just to add, Corrie's car was parked almost as close to Flex as you can park. Maybe somebody else was planning on driving it that night.

It's not first time I've come across that scenario and I do think Flex, it's closing time & his ejection has a plausible bearing on his disappearance esp when viewed in context of the clientele and previous licensing reports linked here.
( Even if they have tried to improve their act at Flex it's hardly transformed into a Temperance Bar has it and he was not that drunk I feel in comparison to others in there. )

In a previous post I wrote that a staff member may have parked overnight at HShoe. Hence him heading for there but again, it's not something I would put £££ on yet.

 

[lusijay]

Originally Posted by Blueazman74
The area known as the Horseshoe is the area by the bins, I believe that has all been forensically searched. The area that hasn't been fully searched is across the otherside of the turning circle.



This would ease my frustration somewhat! Makes sense Sorry, I've been working on this case, day and night, trying to apply my skills to it. I'm so tired and I was really hoping for a good update this morning as I believe, "just my opinion" that there have been developments x

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Given the traditional clientele of Flex I would say it's relatively difficult to be removed from for being too drunk.
The more respectable lot go across the road to LP which has a far stricter on entry policy.

Would be interested to see if there are any cameras on a route down Lower/Higher Baxter Street and then Abbeygate Street to Angel Hill...

It's not first time I've come across that scenario and I do think Flex, it's closing time & his ejection has a plausible bearing on his disappearance esp when viewed in context of the clientele and previous licensing reports linked here.
( Even if they have tried to improve their act at Flex it's hardly transformed into a Temperance Bar has it. )

In a previous post I wrote that a staff member may have parked overnight at HShoe. Hence him heading for there but again, it's not something I would put £££ on yet.

 

[Northern Light]

The mystery of the 4th car.....

I think he walks out, down Looms Lane and is picked up on Angel Hill.

Very good theories Pilgrim.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Hallmarks of the Matalan stabbing from last year maybe...

 

[cottonweaver]

Given the traditional clientele of Flex I would say it's relatively difficult to be removed from for being too drunk.
The more respectable lot go across the road to LP which has a far stricter on entry policy.

Would be interested to see if there are any cameras on a route down Lower/Higher Baxter Street and then Abbeygate Street to Angel Hill...

yes absolutely. BIB - just from reading that link.

Anyway I 've been looking at cameras - but obv I am on serious catch-up here but looking at ur exit via Looms Lane,
i bumped up a couple of camera maps recently in reply to Midsummer's notion about 3.35 Cornhill poss being Corrie.

Looms Lane That still leaves Adnams camera doesn't it? ( No idea about it's status)
and then here there is camera 55 at link below- would that also capture his exit?
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/319850/response/802518/attach/5/Bury%20St%20Edmunds.pdf

 

[Northern Light]

Hallmarks of the Matalan stabbing from last year maybe...

Cardiff, and the couple were stabbed. If something happened to Corrie with more than one person there, why would an ex be compliant in harming him, unless he was dropped off somewhere remote by car and left there to make his own way home?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Based on the map linked to your post there is a camera free path to Angel Hill via either Higher or Lower Baxter Street, turning left on to Abbeygate Street and straight on to Angel Hill. Angel Hill is covered by "15" <modsnip>

yes absolutely. BIB - just from reading that link.

Anyway I 've been looking at cameras - but obv I am on serious catch-up here but looking at ur exit via Looms Lane,
i bumped up a couple of camera maps recently in reply to Midsummer's notion about 3.35 Cornhill poss being Corrie.

Looms Lane That still leaves Adnams camera doesn't it? ( No idea about it's status)
and then here there is camera 55 at link below- would that also capture his exit?
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/319850/response/802518/attach/5/Bury%20St%20Edmunds.pdf

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Because if the ex led him to a rendezvous then she is complicit in whatever happened afterward, alternatively she fears for her own life.

Cardiff, and the couple were stabbed. If something happened to Corrie with more than one person there, why would an ex be compliant in harming him, unless he was dropped off somewhere remote by car and left there to make his own way home?

 

[cottonweaver]

Based on the map linked to your post there is a camera free path to Angel Hill via either Higher or Lower Baxter Street, turning left on to Abbeygate Street and straight on to Angel Hill. Angel Hill is covered by "15" <modsnip>

Ok.
I am just cross checking Looms and that A road on Midsummer's ping radii on an EE mast - ending at BartonMhttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325961-UK-Corrie-McKeague-23-Bury-St-Edmunds-24-September-2016-13&p=13046561#post13046561

see here

<modsnip>

 

[Scottishem1]

Because if the ex led him to a rendezvous then she is complicit in whatever happened afterward, alternatively she fears for her own life.

I'm leaving more to this theory ! I think N was silently appealing to someone on This morning , It was so upsetting when they play the video of Corrie singing at the end &#128531;

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