UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[PilgrimsPrayer]

The point I'm trying to make overall is that the phone in bin theory is predicated by the phone movement timings in that it said "hello" to BM at 0450 and we have an assumed speed and work back to BSE.

What we do not have is confirmation of the goodbye ping from BSE or in fact that apps were updating between 0308 and 0450 (they cannot have been or he would be easily traced).

Therefore there is a possibility that the phone arrived in Barton Mills mast area before 0450 and it was only at this point that it was turned on and began communicating with the BM mast.

Now why would it be turned off between 0308 and 0450?
Maybe to save battery, or maybe because somebody wanted to look at it before disposing of it.... That's why I would be looking at anybody transversing the Fiveways roundabout from 0340-0450.

Totally disagree although I understand the sentiment of your post.
Have a look at where Hughes doorway is to the suggested Grapes Wifi origin. That's a mahoooosive footprint even for a pub?! Even if he did have a commercial wifi hotspot presumably he'd need the wifi code/key from the owner (bit of paper or given verbally?).
I think people are confusing Wifi with GPS (not you).

On my Microsoft system iPhone, I have the facility to auto update by default. I can however turn it off as the security Installations just eat away at the memory and cause it to slow down a bit. A bit like security installations do on a computer. Corrie's used the same system (Microsoft) so I would assume the same. I'm guessing that the auto update facility is indeed the only way they were able to track his phone.
Losing him at 0324 at Hughes isn't technically correct IMHO. The CCTV lost him at 0324 at the 'Horseshoe' and his last suggested TX/RT was 0308. I suspect that if they have the phone updating every 20 seconds as they suggest, there's no reason why they can't have monitored CORRIE'S PHONE all the way to its demise in BM/M at approx 0800. I don't believe it was ever turned off from BSE to 0800 at BM/M.
I've rarely turned a phone off to save battery but I have done it though.
JMO


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[Purplepixii]

If there's no Waitrose in Mildenhall Nicola must have just mispoken, not surprising in a live Q & A, I'm sure she meant to say Sainsburys

Completely agree. There is NO Waitrose in Mildenhall (check their store locater here - I just have). There is, however, a Sainsbury's in Mildenhall.

Jeez, is it too damn much to wish the "facts" we're given are actually accurate? :gaah:

Map has now been updated, including the location of an ANPR camera which, intriguingly to me, is close to a traveller's site. :thinking:

 

[cottonweaver]

If there's no Waitrose in Mildenhall Nicola must have just mispoken, not surprising in a live Q & A, I'm sure she meant to say Sainsburys

Agreed. She's been remarkable to only almost break once considering how many times she has appeared.
There was a question now of just whether it went direct to BM, PPixxi's map says it does and some posters had already pointed out that supermarket was wrong but I wasn't going to start cropping Nicola's words.

Think it might go quiet for a while now - no info, Suffolk police just getting on with it. What do you reckon Suzy? ( May be a little bit of feedback due to the SMedia monster that's been created and the accountability implications of a donation page, of course. )

eta - cross post with Pixii whilst I was writing this. Yes must be infuriating if ur trying to compile an interactive TL. I feel ur pain Pixxi. Glad I wasn't here til thread 11!! would have been hacked off with the runaround.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Logic would dictate that if your contract is so tight that you have to do 420Am pickups on a Sat for 11Kg then they are going to.ask you to go to the other branch, 30 seconds away and collect their too.

I find Sainsbury's intriguing, they don't have a recyclable collection as they bale on site and backhaul (I sold them the balers).

I would find that hard to believe TBH. I always assumed the Horseshoe just happened to be the last pickup (of many) in BSE before moving on to Sainsbury's in Mildenhall?

 

[Mindie304]

I also have wondered this and also why he had to leave the club early because he was parked in a disabled bay and was asked to move the vehicle. So yes a key sobar up and move the car. Just my thoughts

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that a "social hand grenade" who was pretty drunk, "talking to everyone" that night, apparently very "in your face", who would "go off with total strangers", could ever resist an open door, with the possibility of people/a party/somewhere warm to sleep inside?
Making his way past the entrance to the horseshoe, the open door of Focus 12/whatever that building was, catches his eye, he looks around sheepishly to see if anyone is about to catch him going in, realises there isn't and heads off inside.
Person inside thinks he's a burglar/dangerous, bops him on the head with something, kills him. Or maybe he interrupted something he shouldn't have and was attacked.
Sadly the expression regarding curiosity and a cat, comes to mind.

Another thing I've wondered is if someone was in Flex and gave him a key to Focus 12/THAT building. Could it be that's the small item is that he dropped, picked up & put in his shirt pocket on the CCTV footage?
He knows he isn't meant to be in there, he's looking for the entrance as he walks past the horseshoe, sees the gate/door and goes in? Not 100% sure what would happen for him to meet his demise under those circumstances but I don't think it would be impossible for something to go wrong and him be hurt.
The perp at some point, maybe for the second time that evening, exits the building, opportunistically throws phone, keys, wallet in the bin trunk as it happens to be there.

Just my thoughts.
Reposted due to being unable to edit my first post

 

[Purplepixii]

Logic would dictate that if your contract is so tight that you have to do 420Am pickups on a Sat for 11Kg then they are going to.ask you to go to the other branch, 30 seconds away and collect their too.

I find Sainsbury's intriguing, they don't have a recyclable collection as they bale on site and backhaul (I sold them the balers).

Interesting PP as Sainsbury's definitely appeared to have some sort of contract with Biffa in October 2015 as can be seen on streetview. Damn bins, I bet I'll dream about them again tonight!

 

[lusijay]

This is correct - ref the Q & A xx

Could be wrong here but I seem to think that the 'Horseshoe' was the first and only job, then onwards to Barton Mills roundabout direct, no stops...followed by a lift at McDonalds (could be wrong?) and a lift at 'Waitrose' in Mildenhall?
JMR&O


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[PilgrimsPrayer]

Probably general waste and only 1x 1100L bin for a superstore suggests the size of the usage

Interesting PP as Sainsbury's definitely appeared to have some sort of contract with Biffa in October 2015 as can be seen on streetview. Damn bins, I bet I'll dream about them again tonight!

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[PilgrimsPrayer]

Can you quote the QA in respect of this please? Ta.

This is correct - ref the Q & A xx

 

[lusijay]

She must have misspoke, as this is the route she says he took, from the GREGGS job to the nearest Waitrose. She specifically says he crosses the five ways roundabout (where the esso garage is). Would make no sense. x

Completely agree. There is NO Waitrose in Mildenhall (check their store locater here - I just have). There is, however, a Sainsbury's in Mildenhall.

Jeez, is it too damn much to wish the "facts" we're given are actually accurate? :gaah:

Map has now been updated, including the location of an ANPR camera which, intriguingly to me, is close to a traveller's site. :thinking:

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Interesting PP as Sainsbury's definitely appeared to have some sort of contract with Biffa in October 2015 as can be seen on streetview. Damn bins, I bet I'll dream about them again tonight!

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Further to this...Sainsbury's in Mildenhall are not a 24/7 store so where/how would Biffa empty any bins there at ~05:00? Just curious..

 

[lusijay]

Can you quote the QA in respect of this please? Ta.

Just seen the bit about McDonald's, sorry that bit isn't correct if we go off the Q and A below x



"The bin lorry has then left Bury St Edmunds and it has driven direct to barton mills roundabout then Waitrose (supermarket) in Mildenhall and picked up a bin there. The bin man can be seen doing his job as normal on CCTV there. He picks up rubbish and carries on with the rest of his shift. Now I’ve explained what’s happened with lorry but police also had a collision investigator to check the outside and under the vehicle to see if there are any signs of an accident and they had investigators check in the rear of the bin wagon and in the cab for any signs he had been there. That was a few weeks after Corrie went missing but still no trace of him in that vehicle and no trace at the scene by CSI that he'd been run over by the lorry or something happened there."

 

[Redgoblin]

I've been out and about this evening offline, so I'm just catching up...

This case is turning quite biblical especially with phones morphing into baby moses and what not 😂

Someone upstream (not baby moses) asked about the Hughes CCTV and why the public haven't seen it. The rumour was put out that it was perhaps too distressing I'm not sure where that came from. If the footage exists it could be that, or simply it isn't relevant... Watching someone asleep in a doorway for two hours is not exactly Starsky and Hutch, but people did check on him, that would make it somewhat interesting... I imagine all these kind people have been spoken to by LE, so it would probably make releasing said footage a waste of time.

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[Pooks101]

Btw folks... spies is starting now on channel 4 - I swear, if I had of seen this advertised I would have applied lol


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Me too! Spies AND Hunted!



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[mrseeker]

Just seen the bit about McDonald's, sorry that bit isn't correct if we go off the Q and A below x



"The bin lorry has then left Bury St Edmunds and it has driven direct to barton mills roundabout then Waitrose (supermarket) in Mildenhall and picked up a bin there. The bin man can be seen doing his job as normal on CCTV there. He picks up rubbish and carries on with the rest of his shift. Now I’ve explained what’s happened with lorry but police also had a collision investigator to check the outside and under the vehicle to see if there are any signs of an accident and they had investigators check in the rear of the bin wagon and in the cab for any signs he had been there. That was a few weeks after Corrie went missing but still no trace of him in that vehicle and no trace at the scene by CSI that he'd been run over by the lorry or something happened there."

Could there be another trash company who also picked up a bin that morning in the HS? I mean the phone might be in one bin and C in another. Wonder if they finger printed the tops of the bins looking for C's print. I am liking your idea about someone he offended earlier finding him out there. The remaining crowd from Flex would be leaving the club about the time he disappears.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Thanks for this, my query is what happened before the HS Pick up, I cannot imagine HS was the first of two (a risky two at that).

Just seen the bit about McDonald's, sorry that bit isn't correct if we go off the Q and A below x



"The bin lorry has then left Bury St Edmunds and it has driven direct to barton mills roundabout then Waitrose (supermarket) in Mildenhall and picked up a bin there. The bin man can be seen doing his job as normal on CCTV there. He picks up rubbish and carries on with the rest of his shift. Now I’ve explained what’s happened with lorry but police also had a collision investigator to check the outside and under the vehicle to see if there are any signs of an accident and they had investigators check in the rear of the bin wagon and in the cab for any signs he had been there. That was a few weeks after Corrie went missing but still no trace of him in that vehicle and no trace at the scene by CSI that he'd been run over by the lorry or something happened there."

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

From thread 3- Biffa take their DMR (dry Mixed Recyclables) to AJ Thompson (now Ellgia) in Newmarket.

She must have misspoke, as this is the route she says he took, from the GREGGS job to the nearest Waitrose. She specifically says he crosses the five ways roundabout (where the esso garage is). Would make no sense. x

 

[Ironside]

was just thinking randomly - we have been able to see that north korea have built massive prison units, just by looking at satellite technology. wonder if this will pinpoint vehicle movment? like track where every single car goes in the middle of the night looking for ones going to out of the way places? then track back to motorway / dual carriageway cctv / vehicle number recognition technology, then work out who left the horseshoe, or any area and work out where they all went. wow did i just say all that? do i understand what i just said? hmmm i think so - hope you guys all see the significance of these possibilities too?

They are not going to have any satellite footage of BSE from the night Corrie went missing to study. They might be able to look at still images taken of the area by a satellite and check for disturbed ground etc.

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[Amonet]

Well done! Now why didn't LE or all those experienced people think of that?Could have saved a lot of time and money IMO. Let us know about the GPS? Who needs the updates anyway?
Edit. Ok thanks you did.

I'm not familiar with 'find my phone' apps -- they use GPS?

So the police could send a copper out with a cheap used phone from a car boot sale and stick a sim card in it, stick it in the same bin at 3 am on a Saturday morning, wait for the bin lorry, and then keep pinging the phone with the 'find my phone' app and see what comes back to them? They could also glue a note onto the phone's screen and leather case (with the phone in a case) saying "call this number if you find this phone/case" and wait and see if they get a phone call and then question the person who found the phone/case and check it's condition after a trip in a recycling bin lorry. If no one phones, that might be because they chose not to, or it indicates the test phone is not discovered during sorting.

But if those 'find my phone' apps need gps turned on, then I'm not sure how you'd do the test for a phone with gps turned off?

And if it's that important to the family and the police can't run a test like this, then the family have some money and this would only cost a few tens of quid for the used phone, sim cards can be got for free, if one is necessary, and petrol money to the horseshoe. I would personally want to replicate conditions with the timing of the bin lorry if possible...and traffic conditions and atmospheric conditions will be different at night compared to in the daytime.

 

[mrseeker]

I'm not familiar with 'find my phone' apps -- they use GPS?

So the police could send a copper out with a cheap used phone from a car boot sale and stick a sim card in it, stick it in the same bin at 3 am on a Saturday morning, wait for the bin lorry, and then keep pinging the phone with the 'find my phone' app and see what comes back to them? They could also glue a note onto the phone's screen and leather case (with the phone in a case) saying "call this number if you find this phone/case" and wait and see if they get a phone call and then question the person who found the phone/case and check it's condition after a trip in a recycling bin lorry. If no one phones, that might be because they chose not to, or it indicates the test phone is not discovered during sorting.

But if those 'find my phone' apps need gps turned on, then I'm not sure how you'd do the test for a phone with gps turned off?

And if it's that important to the family and the police can't run a test like this, then the family have some money and this would only cost a few tens of quid for the used phone, sim cards can be got for free, if one is necessary, and petrol money to the horseshoe. I would personally want to replicate conditions with the timing of the bin lorry if possible...and traffic conditions and atmospheric conditions will be different at night compared to in the daytime.

You couldn't use that find my phone with the gps off. They could still use the cell towers which is all they have used so far. I just wonder if they matched the driver's pda cell tower pings with C's phone. Even if it is a different mobile provider, the techs should be able to compare the movements. if that doesn't match it would tell you the cell phone traveled to Barton Mills in another vehicle. If they do match it could be in the lorry or a vehicle following closely behind.