UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[cottonweaver]

Thanks, Cottonweaver, I mistakenly thought that the substantiation was about to appear. I've edited my post to say that it's not confirmed as wine. But as you say, I was really conjecturing that calling something wine or beer or whatever doesn't necessarily mean it's got a lower alcohol content.

Think it's a really good distinction to clear up Amonet, as you did. And it has an impact on the issues of why he slept - to wait or involuntary etc etc.

As Nicola has spoken about his actions in clubs it would have been great to have had an indication whether eg. he even bought a drink in bar 1 ( so bar) and onwards but alas we're never going to get it and so I have no idea what his personal tolerance levels were either. We can't even divine correct info on some of the other key facts. Frustrating!

 

[Amonet]

Doea anyone else think that this sounds like a way to burn through money quickly with little chance of finding anything useful. I truely hope the family haven't been seduced into spending a lot of money on something new and sparkly when some good old fashioned detective work would be much more cost effective

JMO

I think that good old fashioned detective work has solved a lot of cases, and yet there are still a lot of cases that could have been solved faster, and yet more that are still unsolved.

I don't know exactly what MIS have to offer or what value it might have for the investigation. It sounds very useful for intelligence and military use, but I don't know how much it can contribute to a missing person's inquiry in these circumstances. But the police investigation and the sulsar searches will surely continue, and as I said before it'll be another tool in the toolkit. I am sure that Corrie's family want it to help, otherwise they wouldn't have chosen it, and I hope it will help.

I'm not sure what a PI could do in these circumstances in the UK. I've got my head full of lots of stuff like behavioural analysis and all the specialties that they used in the Jon-Benet Ramsey documentary....I'd like to see a team like that on the case, encompassing various specialities that can take the limited information available so far and work with it to produce scenarios and then work those scenarios through to end points that the police/Sulsar/a PI could then work on. But we're all different...we're all informed and affected by different things, and I guess Nicola feels that this MIS stuff could be the right thing to complement the police work rather than replace it.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Does anyone know if Corrie smokes? As cigarettes aren't listed as things he had on him (not sure if they'd even bother mentioning it but still..), if he woke up he'd probably be wanting a cigarette if he's a smoker. And he clearly doesn't mind approaching strangers. He may have seen someone smoking and intrepidly made his way over to ask for one.


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He 100% smokes

 

[earthspirit]

In the absence of any quotable news today, here's some snippets from yesterday's TMorning interview with Nicola , just so it's on the thread.



http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/new...mckeague-admits-christmas-difficult-1-4332606

I have read all of the link and it does trouble me that corrie is portrayed as this larger than life character, that everybody falls in love with.

I am sure that his mum Nicola has passed on all the negative aspects of his life that she has since heard about.

What I do find difficult is how his general couldnt care less attitude to life - his living in the fast and dangerous lane, is portrayed as a positive trait?

She is his mum and is not going to see him in a bad light. i dont want to say - if i was his mum i would have tried to guide him into living life at a slower pace, but it seems more likely that it is something about his lifestyle that has got him into the predicament? as opposed to awol or a random kidnap?

i just feel that we ( or the police and other investigators) have to look more deeply into the negative aspects of corrie to actually find out what really happened.

i dont think bin men bin lorries or phones or corrie in a bin are the solution to this mystery.

 

[Jean-Claud]

C meets a known veh in SB
Rehydrates and freshens up in toilets at Tesco 24 hr, after he changes out of old clothing then donning new, binning old in separate recycling clothing bins in carpark .
Tops up fuel perhaps.
Make way via A1101 to 5 ways, Hot food and drink, before setting of bins phone.
JMO and theory for what its worth.

 

[Smiff]

That's interesting JClaud - why is that? Just cause of it only being 2-3 years.
Would be interested to hear more personal experiences on his career type as I know zero about it.

In an ideal world he would complete a physical/mental test to prepare him for parachuting and then do a parachuting course as soon as he joined the Sqn. However the likelihood is that as the actual prarchuting course is Tri-service; MOD budget and equipment needs have meant he has been unable to complete the parachute course.

It's worth noting the Pre Parachute Selection Course test is hard; so Corrie will be hard as nails if he has done that - which has implications on him being bundled into a car by a sole perp in some theories.

That is all off on a tangent though; my point was he has earned nearly £60k in his 3 year career - most of it disposable income. To get through that to be skint a week before pay day; he must really splash the cash. Just seems odd to me, I was young once though lol.

Edited to add: As the PPSC is ran "in house" he has likely done that even if he hasn't done the parachute course.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

If the stig was driving. The BSE EE mast is basically in the horseshoe.

Bin driver saw the teenagers at 0420 so 0430 is the time he left the HS.

We need a volunteer to check old threads for source because I'm sure my initial thoughts were the goodbye ping 4.30 and hello ping 4.58 🙈 Hence 28 minutes.

If lorry arrives around 4.20? (Did we source that to around then?) then is done and off would 4.30 be a reasonable time for a goodbye ping?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

There haven't been airframes available for any service to do 8 jumps and get the "lightbulb" for 18 months or so. I've seen Para's on Ops who have only done the balloon. Has pushed the leaving rate through the roof as they cannot go on to SF.

In an ideal world he would complete a physical/mental test to prepare him for parachuting and then do a parachuting course as soon as he joined the Sqn. However the likelihood is that as the actual prarchuting course is Tri-service; MOD budget and equipment needs have meant he has been unable to complete the parachute course.

It's worth noting the Pre Parachute Selection Course test is hard; so Corrie will be hard as nails if he has done that - which has implications on him being bundled into a car by a sole perp in some theories.

That is all off on a tangent though; my point was he has earned nearly £60k in his 3 year career - most of it disposable income. To get through that to be skint a week before pay day; he must really splash the cash. Just seems odd to me, I was young once though lol.

 

[CRQ57]

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/sites/suffolk/files/page/downloads/corriemckeague-missing-poster.pdf​

Fears growing for missing RAF serviceman who vanished after night out

28 September 2016

Concerns were growing today for the safety of a young military policeman who vanished after a night out and may have tried to walk eight miles back to his base.

[...]

Camera operators saw him getting up and walking off - but he failed to return to Honington, the headquarters of the RAF Force Protection who guard UK military installations around the world.

Despite an appeal to motorists, villagers along the serviceman’s route and a search by the Suffolk police helicopter there has been no trace of him.

Corrie is described as white, 5ft 10ins tall, medium build, with short light brown hair. He was wearing a light-pink polo shirt and white jeans when last seen.


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"military policeman"?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If this is true I would imagine it to be Buckfast, it's popular as a pre-drinks drink in his age group in Scotland. More so if it's before payday.

Really? I was under the impression that Buckie was strictly gutrot for street corner NEDS.

 

[Northern Light]

We need a volunteer to check old threads for source because I'm sure my initial thoughts were the goodbye ping 4.30 and hello ping 4.58  Hence 28 minutes.

If lorry arrives around 4.20? (Did we source that to around then?) then is done and off would 4.30 be a reasonable time for a goodbye ping?

Suffolk Police website 3 October.
Analysis of mobile phone data shows his phone moved between Bury and Barton Mills on the morning of his disappearance. The work shows the phone was in Bury St Edmunds early on Saturday 24 September and but then moved to the Barton Mills area. It doesn’t move after this and has not been used since. This phone has not been found at this time.
Saying it was in BSE early Saturday may just mean, because he used it at 3.08. Did a quick search through MSM, no times for the phone ping in BSE, could be in interviews with family, but don't remember reading it myself.

 

[Dcflag]

I have read all of the link and it does trouble me that corrie is portrayed as this larger than life character that everybody falls in love with. I am sure that his mum Nicola has passed on all the negative aspects of his life that she has since heard about. What I do find difficult is how his general couldnt care less attitude to life - his living in the fast and dangerous lane, is portrayed as a positive trait? She is his mum and is not going to see him in a bad light. i dont want to say - if i was his mum i would have tried to guide him into living life at a slower pace, but it seems more likely that it is something about his lifestyle that has got him into the predicament? as opposed to awol or a random kidnap? i just feel that we ( or the police and other investigators) have to look more deeply into the negative aspects of corrie to actually find out what really happened. i dont think bin men bin lorries or phones or corrie in a bin are the solution to this mystery.

I actually think his spontaneous attitude to life supports awol

 

[Smiff]

There haven't been airframes available for any service to do 8 jumps and get the "lightbulb" for 18 months or so. I've seen Para's on Ops who have only done the balloon. Has pushed the leaving rate through the roof as they cannot go on to SF.

i suspected this may be the case; rumour is they used to take them up in civvy Cessna's when all the C-130s were in dusty places.

as 2Sqn is in a parachute role, he'd get the wings rather than the "lightbulb" but I take your point.

 

[Dcflag]

If the stig was driving. The BSE EE mast is basically in the horseshoe.

Bin driver saw the teenagers at 0420 so 0430 is the time he left the HS.

😂😂 I wish I had the time and patience to look back and see where I got those ping times from. He saw the teens before emptying?

 

[Dcflag]

Suffolk Police website 3 October.
Analysis of mobile phone data shows his phone moved between Bury and Barton Mills on the morning of his disappearance. The work shows the phone was in Bury St Edmunds early on Saturday 24 September and but then moved to the Barton Mills area. It doesn’t move after this and has not been used since. This phone has not been found at this time.
Saying it was in BSE early Saturday may just mean, because he used it at 3.08. Did a quick search through MSM, no times for the phone ping in BSE, could be in interviews with family, but don't remember reading it myself.

Thanks for that, I'm going to have a look see what I can find

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

���� I wish I had the time and patience to look back and see where I got those ping times from. He saw the teens before emptying?

If the times are basically correct then I would say so. Has he drives up SB he sees teens walking through the Cornhill rear car park ('around' 04:20 IIRC) as he passes to the horseshoe. Nicola then says he took 4 minutes to empty bin and leave.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

I don't know actually if before or after, would still be pushing it and the speed would not correspond with the speed over the remainder of the journey (if he did 50mph to meet with these timeframes then he needs to be going VERY slowly to then hit the BM ping at 0450).

😂😂 I wish I had the time and patience to look back and see where I got those ping times from. He saw the teens before emptying?

 

[earthspirit]

I actually think his spontaneous attitude to life supports awol

isnt it funny how the same thing can make us think so differently? i could go with awol if there was some attention seeking aspect to this - as in off to some far flung adventure with a group of mates. his awol in this case would be so contradictory to his lifestyle imo - there is nobody nothing knows where he is - everything corrie seems to do is for attention

 

[sharky]

Is this the video? http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017...s-she-wont-give-up-hope-of-finding-him-alive/

Genuine question. What has collating/analysing FB/SM got to do with Corrie? Do they believe he was targeted via it and the perp is active on SM?

Yeah that's it. It wasn't online at lunchtime, hoped it'd be up this afternoon, thanks for posting it.

I know they can go through Corrie's Fb but how will they access others? Friends have probably given over what they have. Acquaintances may or may not allow access. You'd have to be pretty stupid to have anything public or help the team if you're part of anything. They've already had Corrie's Fb for ages so it's not like there's anything obvious like a message. Are they thinking someone he knows holds the key to whatever the scenario is or are they perhaps considering they didn't know him as well as they thought?!

Collating photos will be helpful with who was there & when (& maybe how drunk) etc but not sure they need this company to do that. I'd have thought the bar/club CCTV would cover most of that but I can't remember if the family have seen that. I assume they will also build up a picture of friendships & events leading up to this and afterwards if they're allowed access.

All of this will only be helpful if it wasn't Corrie having some sort of accident. I'm not sure it will rule out any options either though.

 

[Dcflag]

I'm not finding the phone ping source (4.30 bse and 4.58 bm) in previous threads.

Could I not argue though that for the police to legitimately think the phone was in that bin lorry (searching it etc) the timings must add up somehow?