UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[CRQ57]

I think that good old fashioned detective work has solved a lot of cases, and yet there are still a lot of cases that could have been solved faster, and yet more that are still unsolved.

I don't know exactly what MIS have to offer or what value it might have for the investigation. It sounds very useful for intelligence and military use, but I don't know how much it can contribute to a missing person's inquiry in these circumstances. But the police investigation and the sulsar searches will surely continue, and as I said before it'll be another tool in the toolkit. I am sure that Corrie's family want it to help, otherwise they wouldn't have chosen it, and I hope it will help.

I'm not sure what a PI could do in these circumstances in the UK. I've got my head full of lots of stuff like behavioural analysis and all the specialties that they used in the Jon-Benet Ramsey documentary....I'd like to see a team like that on the case, encompassing various specialities that can take the limited information available so far and work with it to produce scenarios and then work those scenarios through to end points that the police/Sulsar/a PI could then work on. But we're all different...we're all informed and affected by different things, and I guess Nicola feels that this MIS stuff could be the right thing to complement the police work rather than replace it.

Have you read up on MIS website and the services they provide? I'm sure these are just examples and they no doubt have many more capabilities at their disposal. I expect that TW will have discussed the matter and a plan will have been made for the best way forward. It will be very interesting to see how things work out but IMO they are using technology and experts to progress matters in the best possible way.

 

[martinwatts5]

I'm with you on the bin lorry being the only known vehicle to have been in BSE and BM during that crucial time period.

But the fact that the lorry was in Corrie's exact last known location and then travelled to a location within the same 5 miles radius as his phone did is difficult for me to dismiss as a mere coincidence.

The LEO saying it moved at a faster speed than he felt one could walk indicates to me that they have knowledge of the timings of pings as it moved. We don't, but it sounds to me like they do.

If it had been turned off and then turned back on again, wouldn't the data analysis indicate there was time period that the phone had no signal or activity? That's not a rhetorical question BTW...I truly don't know. :innocent:

You think that the bin lorry/phone timings may be too much of a coincidence...but then if the phone was collected in the bin then this relies on another coincidence - the only bin collected had the phone in it. So using the likely coincidence and taking out the unlikely coincidence leaves us with Corrie and phone travelling in the bin lorry.

 

[redfanforever1970]

Right !!!
The bin lorry, the phone, the bins and the pings?

well lets all start at the beginning of this.

corrie is in the bin area sometime before 3.30am and the phone travels a similar route to the bin lorry around an hour later.

forget the bins and someone dumping or stealing it - leave the bin man out of the equation.

so then we have corrie in the bin area with a phone for around an hour. nobody sees him in there so he is either in a building or in a car. what could he have been doing? well there is nobody saying he was doing a drunken version of the highland fling and he wasnt singing with other drunks? taking a leak doesnt take an hour. so what could he have been doing? drinking in one of the apartments? then leaves in a car? sitting in a car drinking smoking or doing something else? with the lights turned off? all quite possible. forget the bin lorry remember!

he then sets off on a route that takes him in the vicinity of the cell tower at barton mills. thats lots of places between bse and bm. so how about he is getting friendly or is friends with the people in the car? they then give a slow drive lift to bm area? could this be usaf people on their way home? could it be people who decide late at night to go to the dogging sites ( just for a laugh like the young lads do round here? - our local papers often make an issue of it) this is all plausible so far yes?

there is also a known? drinking party house around bm? i do not have the source for this but its quite a well known place to locals apparently. so, should the enquiry maybe focus on these sort of things?

corrie has either then had an accident stumbling and staggering over countryside trying to get the few miles back to honington or he has got into some sort of fight at the places ive mentioned.

i am just so fed up reading about the pings and bins and dumps when really it seems much simpler to understand in my mind?

oh just one last thing, the speed of said car seems quite slow? i know the roads and surely 40mph is a more realistic speed to be driving? i once got stopped by a police patrol car - first time on a country road in surrey - i was doing about 28mph in the pitch dark no satnav no map - just knowing to look for particular signs. they just wanted to check i had not been drinking and said that people doing less than 30 on these sort of roads, was either very old and half blind and shouldnt be on the road or that they had been drinking and were keeping well under the limit thinking this would not attract attention.

WHY was the vehicle corries phone travelling in going so slowly? think carefully about this!

OH AND CAN WE PLEASE HAVE CLARITY ON PHONE? please expain one more time for the duffers among us - if was on all the time all of the things they have said it did could have happened? it was not switched off and then on again? it just said goodbye bse and hello bm? this is as complicated as any reply needs to be. otherwise i will just keep on asking questions about it

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I feel this whole shebang is pretty straight forward.

I also doubt he'll ever be found and that he's 100% deceased almost within hours of 0324.

I also don't think anybody else is involved at all.


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[Shiressleuth]

Hi everyone.

For those who are currently playing the ping pong game, you may wish to review what LE said in early October regarding Corrie's phone.

At the very beginning of the press conference, the LEO stated that he didn't feel the speed could be determined, however it does not appear to be a speed in which one could walk.

I believe he also answered another question regarding the phone later in the presser.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=46UD0lk-c2g

Well having listened to the LE Officer, he states the movement of the phone "loosely correlates" to the movements of a bin lorry and, as you say GT he was unspecific on the actual speed at all except to say he did not think it was at a speed that could be walked. If anyone else can glean more from it please give us your thoughts.

 

[emmamartha]

Originally Posted by emmamartha
Someone said about the puppy and the purchase price, looking at the pic of the puppy it could either be a French bulldog puppy or a staffy type pup...I'm not sure how old the puppy is but if it was a French bulldog you're looking at between £1,500 - £3,000 which might explain why he was skint.
Staffordshire bull terriers on the other hand can go for £100 non Kc reg to £700 for kc registered.
The point is he may have been broke but if he's saved up to buy this puppy and is devoted to her then to me as a dog owner it makes it less likely that he's just going to abandon her. "


The puppy is 7 months old, puppies are bought usually at 3 months old. So I would bet he has had it for 4 months. It is a cross with a French bulldog, potentially with a Staffy, who knows. As you say, £3000 can be paid for french bulldogs, and on average £300 for staffs (they don't hold much value as drug users often breed them and sell there for £50 in the pub). It think he is crossed with a pug, it's very common for a breeder to do this as the pug gene is so similar, so if they end up with the pups looking more like the second parent dog, it doesn't really matter and won't decrease their value.

I work with a dog rescue, and own a staff and a pug among others, and you wouldn't normally see black puppies from the two being crossed, as black staffs are less sort after so they tend not to breed from them. (I don't know why, mine is beautiful!)

Nice to meet another dog lover! I'm a dog groomer and show dogs in my spare time...yes it's shocking how many dogs get dumped by people for the most stupid reasons. Part of me thinks maybe the dog was something he could feel connected to, it's got to be lonely being at the RAF base. Just to me, leaving the dog in the room, going out for a typical night out doesn't scream AWOL.

I know if you're going to go AWOL you wouldn't make it obvious but still....it just seems really unlikely to me.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

They searched the lorry for DNA, not the phone.
If they really believed it then they would have searched landfill. They put the waste "to one side" for weeks but still didn't search it.

I'm not finding the phone ping source (4.30 bse and 4.58 bm) in previous threads.

Could I not argue though that for the police to legitimately think the phone was in that bin lorry (searching it etc) the timings must add up somehow?

 

[LorriB]

I feel this whole shebang is pretty straight forward.

I also doubt he'll ever be found and that he's 100% deceased almost within hours of 0324.

I also don't think anybody else is involved at all.

If nobody else is involved how do you think he left the area? Genuinely interested as I know that comes across as quite confrontational!

 

[CRQ57]

I'm not finding the phone ping source (4.30 bse and 4.58 bm) in previous threads.

Could I not argue though that for the police to legitimately think the phone was in that bin lorry (searching it etc) the timings must add up somehow?

Times and pings may never tie up to vehicle movement/s. Last I read was according to pings a vehicle would have travelled at 12MPH. If same vehicle were travelling at 70MPH - 100MPH,, would that not then allow for a stop along the way between pings?

 

[Dcflag]

You think that the bin lorry/phone timings may be too much of a coincidence...but then if the phone was collected in the bin then this relies on another coincidence - the only bin collected had the phone in it. So using the likely coincidence and taking out the unlikely coincidence leaves us with Corrie and phone travelling in the bin lorry.

But we know he was not in the bin.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Not sure I fully understand this point, can you elaborate?

You think that the bin lorry/phone timings may be too much of a coincidence...but then if the phone was collected in the bin then this relies on another coincidence - the only bin collected had the phone in it. So using the likely coincidence and taking out the unlikely coincidence leaves us with Corrie and phone travelling in the bin lorry.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Well having listened to the LE Officer, he states the movement of the phone "loosely correlates" to the movements of a bin lorry and, as you say GT he was unspecific on the actual speed at all except to say he did not think it was at a speed that could be walked. If anyone else can glean more from it please give us your thoughts.

I really do think they have only given the most basic information and must have much more detail. It can't be the case that the phone said 'goodbye' to a mast in BSE and 28 minutes later (or whatever) it said 'hello' at the the Barton Mills mast. There are multiple masts in-between so when they say they tracked the phone it suggests to me there are pings on other masts?

 

[LorriB]

They searched the lorry for DNA, not the phone.
If they really believed it then they would have searched landfill. They put the waste "to one side" for weeks but still didn't search it.

Do you know how waste is treated at a landfill? I saw someone mention elsewhere that she worked at a site and the waste is compressed 2 or 3 times a day then dumped so I'm not sure how they could really find anything if that's true.

 

[Dcflag]

I really do think they have only given the most basic information and must have much more detail. It can't be the case that the phone said 'goodbye' to a mast in BSE and 28 minutes later (or whatever) it said 'hello' at the the Barton Mills mast. There are multiple masts in-between so when they say they tracked the phone it suggests to me there are pings on other masts?

I agree. The information we have says it seems not possible for the phone to have been in the bin lorry. The actions the police took suggests they believe it was. Can't really go any further than that. I need to stop poking &#128514; As there's just no other info out there to get the answers

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

There is one mast in-between and this would ping inside the sane radius as BM on the assumption the route was A1101.

I really do think they have only given the most basic information and must have much more detail. It can't be the case that the phone said 'goodbye' to a mast in BSE and 28 minutes later (or whatever) it said 'hello' at the the Barton Mills mast. There are multiple masts in-between so when they say they tracked the phone it suggests to me there are pings on other masts?

 

[redfanforever1970]

If nobody else is involved how do you think he left the area? Genuinely interested as I know that comes across as quite confrontational!

He walked. I'm certain he can leave without trace. It's pretty easy. I've seen it all locally numerous times.

You can avoid cctv for sure to leave that area. Don't forget camera rotations etc and the way out is north.


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[PilgrimsPrayer]

The waste from that lorry was set a side from the process you describe yet still wasn't searched.

Do you know how waste is treated at a landfill? I saw someone mention elsewhere that she worked at a site and the waste is compressed 2 or 3 times a day then dumped so I'm not sure how they could really find anything if that's true.

 

[cotswoldemmie]

Just been looking into why MIS may be useful.
One reason I can see is to do with the little known GLONASS.
GLONASS is a Russian version/ equivalent to GPS.
The GPS on the Nokia Lumia may well have been manually turned off by C but because GLONASS use different satellites to GPS, it may well have still been active in the background because the Lumia has both GPS and GLONASS capabilities.
This could be where MIS come into their own as they are potentially likely to be able to use this information in some way.

GLONASS is accurate to 2.8m.

 

[LorriB]

The waste from that lorry was set a side from the process you describe yet still wasn't searched.

Why was it set aside? I've not heard that before.

 

[Blueazman74]

Have you read up on MIS website and the services they provide? I'm sure these are just examples and they no doubt have many more capabilities at their disposal. I expect that TW will have discussed the matter and a plan will have been made for the best way forward. It will be very interesting to see how things work out but IMO they are using technology and experts to progress matters in the best possible way.

MIS have also been on location this week. Walking the same route as C, they've also watched others walking that route from a counter terroism point of view to see what someone watching C would see etc.

There was an interesting interview with them on Look East this evening.

 

[Lolabear]

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I feel this whole shebang is pretty straight forward.

I also doubt he'll ever be found and that he's 100% deceased almost within hours of 0324.

I also don't think anybody else is involved at all.


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I 100% think that he walked out and avoided CCTV, had a fatal accident and his remains will appear at some point in the future. No AWOL, no funny business, just a plain accident on his way home.