UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #14

[Shiressleuth]

Does this help?

Thanks Cj That confirmed the temperatures. But I couldn't get it to show rainfall and I use accuweather for forecasts all the time. Just wondered about any flash storms or floods in the days after . Its not important if the likelihood of him walking is diminishing anyway.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Thanks Cj That confirmed the temperatures. But I couldn't get it to show rainfall and I use accuweather for forecasts all the time. Just wondered about any flash storms or floods in the days after . Its not important if the likelihood of him walking is diminishing anyway.

I was able to see rainfall in 'table view' (in mm in below image)

 

[db09striker]

Thanks Cj That confirmed the temperatures. But I couldn't get it to show rainfall and I use accuweather for forecasts all the time. Just wondered about any flash storms or floods in the days after . Its not important if the likelihood of him walking is diminishing anyway.

Highly unlikely he walked home. Incredibly unlikely he walked home and got caught in flooding and drowned.

I am not sure how flooding would result in his death. That would have to be some major flooding.

Or am I just being stupid and there is a logical reason for checking on whether the area was flooded.


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[Gannondorf82]

-Corrie walks home and gets attacked by pigs, drowns in a puddle, trips over a cow pat, or gets ran over and the person driving feels it was their fault so they bung Corrie's dead body into their car and drive off.

-Corrie, with his phone, gets into a vehicle which heads to Barton Mills........whatever happens next who knows.

agreeing on heading out to BM in a vehicle, I think the likelihood is he was walking along a country road/A road and got hit by car. A pedestrian can be thrown a long way by a high speed impact.

On page 16 of this Virginia DMV report is a virtually identical scenario to what I imagine. Woman by side side of road is hit by car and thrown 89 feet into a ditch. Driver didn't stop.

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/safety/programs/crashes/archived/sr22.pdf

 

[Greater Than]

Hey guys!

This may interest you:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Facebook-Live-Q-amp-A&p=13053151#post13053151

:drumroll:

 

[earthspirit]

BIB ( bit in bold above) I saw that post in the last thread. Is it a definite? Apols if you pre-discussed this weeks ago but I haven't seen much focus on that and I have read thousands of old posts.

i just assumed this was an editorial mistake in the main stream media report? nobody else has called him a military policeman and we know he was a gunner and a medic. he was not even a jumper from planes? he had only been there 3 years

 

[earthspirit]

Thanks for bumping that back up Coach.
just for anyone that wasn't on last thread, yesterday:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38536126

this would imply that they can access data of mobile phone providers? if they are going to work out where corries phone ended up plus the others near him? well this if found out could crack the case? assuming that the phone never left corrie's pockets? i believe this is the case and wishing them good luck in doing this. how tho, do they legally access this data? how do they get permission to find out every person say within a mile of where corrie was? it will help the more remote as obviously they would want to know what people were doing in the middle of a night close to where a missing person was last seen

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes - you can walk that way back.

A lift from the Bin Lorry would have saved him 20mins walking time, not a massive amount. Plus Corrie would have had to tag along with him to Waitrose, so it possibly would have saved him 10mins overall assuming that was the last bin pick up in that area.

I just don't buy it because I don't see how Corrie disappears. Although it isn't all that complicated it seems over-complicated.

-Corrie is in horseshoe for 30mins nobody sees him.
-Corrie chats to bin man at 4pm and agrees a lift.
-Corrie saves 10mins by getting a lift down the road.
-Corrie leaves his phone in the cab by accident.
-Corrie walks home and gets attacked by pigs, drowns in a puddle, trips over a cow pat, or gets ran over and the person driving feels it was their fault so they bung Corrie's dead body into their car and drive off.

+ the bin lorry driver would unnecessarily be lying to Police. Would he get in that much crap for having a passenger in his wagon? Surely all the media stuff about this would encourage him to tell the truth if he gave him a lift.


I much prefer....

-Corrie, with his phone, gets into a vehicle which heads to Barton Mills........whatever happens next who knows.

I agree its a no go for him to hang around in the bin area for an hour to get a lift to somewhere it would only take him 2 hours to walk the whole way back. His lift was already there. His phone movements "loosely correlate" to the bin lorry, they are not an exact match to the bin lorry, remember. Also, he would have been seen by one of the 39 people if he had hung around for 55 minutes, plus it has been ruled out by LE and family - he was neither in, on or under the bin lorry. We've ruled ' C in the bin lorry' out on this forum previously but willing to hear new theories always. Tripping over a cow pat ? Been there, done that, quite often.

 

[SouthDevonSleuthing]

Hi all. Please bear with me as I am new on here. I have read the majority of the posts right from the first thread (although I do skip the conversations that revolve around things that have been mentioned numerous times as it spins my mind).
One thing I have yet to see clarified or asked is:
Going by the above timeline and I see the number of people spotted on CCTV. I have also read alot of these have been located and spoken to.
Are any of these individual people on the police page,the above timeline and CCTV the same?. What I mean is, is it definately not the same person seen, say, at 0321 and 0326, or could the cycling man be the same man as the backback man later on. Could one of the teenagers seen by the bin man be one of the dark clothing men. Or other options?
I only ask as I wonder if someone that lives in the area could easily be in and out of the area to change or whatever and then come back to either meet C or something. or if not then they would be hanging around walking about for a long time between CCTV captures so surely seen something or they are walking about for a reason.

Also (as i really struggle with understanding maps and streetview) is there ANY way that someone else entered the HS area unseen by CCTV. Its just if they can consider C leaving the area on foot as a possibility, and can consider a car being there already or C left in a car unseen, as a possibility....then surely it is not beyond reason that someone else couldve ENTERED HS without being seen (and either went into the rehab building or left the area or hangs around and is then spotted as one of the "unknown" individuals from CCTV stills on the police info page.

Finally. Had C car been ruled out ad having left the area that night. Is there no way he could have driven his car or someone else has taken his car. Is it seen in CCTV or was it ticketed or was it collected from the parked spot).
Sorry, thats just a thought thats on my mind that i cant see answers for. His own cars wherabouts after 3.24 except to say the car is back with his Mum.

IMOO:
I dont feel C's phone went with him.
If so then that would leave C in the HS from his last sighting until just before his phone pinged leaving BSE area (given that the max coverage is 5km even if C went from one end to other of coverage Id say 20ish mins). This means he hung around HS for around half hour if he left by vehicle.And nobody saw him?. I just have a feeling that if he had his phone on him still, he wouldnt not use SM or text friends or something. Do we know of any "pings in the BSE area before the "leaving area ping"?
Has it been confirmed the timing of the as yet unlocated vehicle and does this correlate to the leaving area ping?

Correct me if i have got confuddled with all this.
I personally dont feel he went intentionally AWOL. I dont feel he walked and had an accident. I feel with the lack of any specific sightings that C is either in the HS vicinity still (deceased) OR it was a unknown man that he got a lift from and is deceased in another location.

Thanks for reading if you got this far . I also apologise if any of what I has said has been covered on one of the posts i skipped past.

Just like to say, I think its odd he was never reported AWOL, as the process is; report AWOL first and then go to Missing etc. O find this odd that he has never been reported AWOL. It screams to me something was known right away.

You cant just decide to not report him as AWOL based on his work ethic or it being out of character.

In the military, if you dont show for work, your AWOL 1st.


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Forum members please be aware of NEW timeline...TIA

21(15): Corrie feeds the dog and locks him in the bathroom.
21(30): Two cars with Corrie's workmates depart Hon.
2200: Corrie departs Hon in his own car <modsnip>
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/what-time-did-corrie-leave-raf-honington/
2221: Corrie parks in disabled bay in Robert Roby Way.
2221-2250: Corrie drinks in his car whilst making a phone call to Darroch.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/71...-McKeague-awol-regiment-cared-puppy-Honington
2305: Corrie walks to SoBar pub and meets up with work colleagues.
2320: Corrie walks to Weatherspoons.
0001: Corrie leaves Weatherspoons around midnight for Flex.
Source- BBC Look East Evening News 12122016
0015: Corrie enters Flex night club.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
0110: Corrie is 'ejected' from the nightclub.
0120: Corrie enters kebab shop & plays rock, paper, scissors with a customer and sits with a group whilst his order is ready. He leaves with a black man in a black t shirt with the numbers 78 in Roman numerals written on it.
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/police_s..._takeaway_on_night_of_disappearance_1_4744362
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
0130: Corrie leaves kebab shop with kebab, chips and two burgers.
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/isnt-it-weird-to-sleep-in-a-doorway/
Corrie seen walking purposefully towards The Grapes pub.
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/what-time-is-the-1st-cctv-that-we-see-him-on/
0300: Shift start time for bin man. Vehicle checked. Corrie’s mobile phone records show he sent a picture to a friend at 3am.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/71...-McKeague-awol-regiment-cared-puppy-Honington
0308: Corrie forwards a photo image to a friend from Hughes shop doorway.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/has-the-text-message-corrie-sent-at-0308-been-looked-in-to/
0319: Two persons seen walking from Market Square towards McDonalds.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0321: White Tshirt man and two figures walking past Cornhill Walk towards Loom Street.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0324: Last CCTV sighting of Corrie.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46UD0lk-c2g
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/when-and-where-was-corrie-last-seen/
0326: Two people with light clothing seen outside Cornhill Walk.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0335: Dark clothing1 man walking past Cornhill Walk towards Loom Street.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0340: Running man, Lurker & Legs man seen in 'Horseshoe'.
0352: Bin lorry departs (Hollow Lane) for BSE.
0356: Bicycle man, cycling around Cornhill area.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0400: Bin lorry enters SB.
0415: Bin lorry driver fills in collection paperwork. Three teenagers seen at the rear of Cornwalk Shopping Centre by bin man.
0420: Bins lorry driver starts collection procedure of ONE GREGGS BIN containing cardboard and paper with a weight of 11kgs of material in it.
0424: Bin man finishes collection procedure.
0425: Corrie's phone leaves the BSE mast area. Phone takes 28 minutes to reach the BM area. Link at 9 minute 9 seconds point. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
Bin lorry heads directly towards Barton Mills roundabout and then on to Waitrose at Mildenhall for a collection.
0453: Corrie's phone enters the BM mast area (if the 0430 quote is extrapolated).
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/has-corries-phone-been-checked/
0455: (Bin lorry is at Barton Mills roundabout.)
0501: Dark clothing2 man seen walking past Cornhill Walk towards Loom Street.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0503: (Corrie's phone would be at BM roundabout at this time if the 0430 quote is extrapolated.)
0518: Dark clothing3 man seen walking around Cornhill Walk.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0520: Dark backpack man seen in Cornhill Market Square area.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0800: Corrie's phone is last active within the BM mast area.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ouZCCnULs34


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[db09striker]

agreeing on heading out to BM in a vehicle, I think the likelihood is he was walking along a country road/A road and got hit by car. A pedestrian can be thrown a long way by a high speed impact.

On page 16 of this Virginia DMV report is a virtually identical scenario to what I imagine. Woman by side side of road is hit by car and thrown 89 feet into a ditch. Driver didn't stop.

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/safety/programs/crashes/archived/sr22.pdf

I am not sure where the roadside searches took place, but would assume it was at least along the likeliest route he would have walked home. It's probably 50% hedgerow and 50% open fields.

On top of everything leading up to it I doubt that he got hit by a car and is lying in a ditch or hidden somewhere and hasn't been found yet.

 

[Dcflag]

Welcome! Absolutely someone could get in unseen, but would be caught on a static camera elsewhere. You couldn't say they didn't enter the horseshoe though

 

[earthspirit]

I thought it may be a good time to post this, a description of the training you go through in order to become an RAF gunner. Taken from the official RAF website here: http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafregiment/careers/gunners.cfm



Training
Recruit Training

Your career will start with a 10-week Basic Recruit Training Course at RAF Halton in Buckinghamshire. The course is designed to help you adjust to a military environment, as well as develop fitness and military skills.You will also learn about life in the RAF. This is referred to as Phase 1 Training.
Specialist Training

Upon successful completion of Phase1 you will move to RAF Honington, Suffolk. Here you will complete your specialist Gunner training course (Phase 2) which will last for approximately 18 weeks. You will be taught how to handle and use weapons in a professional manner and learn how to survive and fight in all environmental conditions. The course includes navigation, dismounted close combat tactics, field craft and physical training. RAF Regiment training is a test of character, determination and your will to succeed. By the end of the course you will be at peak physical fitness and havelearnt to operate effectively regardless of the environment. In order to giveyou the confidence to overcome any situation you may encounter whilst onoperations, the training is deliberately tough. You will be enrolled onto aNational Level apprenticeship, gaining an NVQ Level 2 in Public Services Operational Delivery (Uniform). Prior to starting your first squadron tour youwill spend a further 10 weeks learning additional skills which make yourtransition to squadron life easier, e.g. Driver Training, advance weapon skilland tactics.

what this shows is that corrie, even if still trying to sober up, would have been able to handle himself - even against a knife or even gun - he would have been at the peak of fitness. that is just going by what im reading up in the quote. he did look incredibly fit and his drunken staggering gait is one adopted by most drunks staggering along - does not then make them defenseless. so how did these people get corrie? is it because it is a they rather than a him??

 

[OliviaKBS]

Maybe he had that phone because either he had lost his better phone, and thought it was cheaper to have that whilst he paid off the rest of his contract, or his better phone was stolen. Or his better phone was one he kept somewhere else and took a less expensive phone whilst out so he didn't break his better phone while drunk.

 

[Shiressleuth]

this would imply that they can access data of mobile phone providers? if they are going to work out where corries phone ended up plus the others near him? well this if found out could crack the case? assuming that the phone never left corrie's pockets? i believe this is the case and wishing them good luck in doing this. how tho, do they legally access this data? how do they get permission to find out every person say within a mile of where corrie was? it will help the more remote as obviously they would want to know what people were doing in the middle of a night close to where a missing person was last seen

I interpreted as they are using a Russian sat system rather than GPS so that may circumvent the UK/Eu rules perhaps? ? IDK just guessing. Secret squirrel stuff, ways n means n all that.

 

[carbuncle69]

Interested in the mobile phone related update on the family website (Assume OK to cite as per the OP)
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2017/01/05/corries-mobile-phone-update-5th-january-2017/
Key points:
The mast in question was directional
The mast was a micro mast
Implies the mast was by the 5 ways roundabout on the A11 by Barton Mills
BUT phone may not have passed over the roundabout

The first takeaway is that they don't have a detailed track of the phone by triangulation, merely the point in time at which it "pings" various masts from which general movement can be inferred.

I've been trying to find the masts. There seem to be two masts by the roundabout. A vodafone macrocell which can be seen on streetview at the entrance to the Shell garage I believe, and a co-located T-Mobile/Three one, 86m to the south, that I can't locate. That one is sectored, i.e. directional so is presumably the one we are interested in.

The mast data can be got here: http://www.mastdata.com/ - you can create a private use account.
The masts in question:
http://www.mastdata.com/0/Address/address.aspx?AdID=103751
http://www.mastdata.com/0/Address/address.aspx?AdID=120361
http://www.mastdata.com/0/Address/address.aspx?AdID=93524

The differences between macrocells and microcells is explained here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...le-phone-base-stations-radio-waves-and-health The description is why I assume the station at the entrance to the shell garage is the vodafone one. Sectored masts are illustrated here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_antenna

Note that all networks are covered in this small area. Vodafone and O2 share a network, and EE and Orange are covered by T-Mobile. So if Corries phone was travelling in a car with someone else who had a phone switched on that should have logged on to one of these masts around the same time. Presumably why Tony is keen to see that data.

It would be interesting to find the T-Mobile/Three antennas to see the direction it is pointing, and maybe someone with telecoms knowledge can estimate its coverage given the frequency and signal strength. Might be tricky though (from the link above):
"Microcell base stations provide additional radio capacity where there are a high number of users such as in cities and towns. Microcell antennas tend to be mounted at street level, typically on the external walls of existing buildings. Microcell antennas are a great deal smaller than macrocell antennas and can often be disguised as building features."

The T-Mobile antenna is allegedly 26dBW and 1800Mhz, the Three onw 17dBW ans 2100Mhz.

Edit: The sector the mast covered presumably included North-ish, since it's apparently consistent with the waste recycling plant. Presumable the point is to provide coverage of Mildenhall, so it could be expected to be on the NW face of a building? Just thinking out loud.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I was able to see rainfall in 'table view' (in mm in below image)

Wow very little indeed. Cheers.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

According to Google it takes 3 hours. Fair enough he could possibly do it in 2 if it was daylight and he was sober and walking at a fast pace all the way.

9 miles by road.

http://www.theaa.com/route-planner/...ry Saint Edmunds IP31, UK||0.777571|52.337392

3 miles per hour is not a fast pace even for a civilian. For a young serviceman it would be derisory.

It was pitch black and he was still smashed drunk. He's not going to be running.

As far as I know we don't know exactly how drunk he was. If he was "smashed" as you put it, there was no way he'd have been under the limit much before noon on the Saturday so wouldn't have been driving anywhere. Nor should he have been sitting in his car trying to sober up because there was a serious risk he would attract the attention of a passing copper.

As to pitch black, no. It was a last quarter moon that night which would have risen around midnight.

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/2016/september

And the sky was clear.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/cambridge/historic?month=9&year=2016

He would therefore have had moonlight had he chosen to walk or jog home.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

In jeans and fashion boots after a night on the pop?

I know nothing about his footwear that night but jeans? There's nothing implausible about running in jeans.

 

[earthspirit]

Ok I think the homeless guy has something to do with this and I think C knows him. I think he met C in the horseshoe after he had finished his obs on his targets. C bought a lot of food and gave some to homeless guy as well as saying to him "looks like I'm walking home mate" after chatting about why he had to leave Flex. They may have arranged the lift when homeless guy finished his obs which would have been around 3 -3.15 as the place he was obbing closed at 3. This is my opinion and also explains why there is now no mention of this person for obvious reasons. Now I will catch up on the last few pages.

- a few people have mentioned that they did not believe that the homeless man was really a homeless man. is that what you are also meaning? i get the meaning and understand if this is in fact what you mean?:thinking:

 

[Shiressleuth]

Highly unlikely he walked home. Incredibly unlikely he walked home and got caught in flooding and drowned.

I am not sure how flooding would result in his death. That would have to be some major flooding.

Or am I just being stupid and there is a logical reason for checking on whether the area was flooded.



PS. Did anyone see what Corrie's uncle has said recently. It's definitely not along the lines of walking home, or drowning in floods.

Well Db, where do u think they will search on the 22nd then? And as for TW updates I prefer LE or MSM personally as the TW ones change with the weather IMOO.