UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[Miss_French]

Search to end by Christmas and a report by specialist officers from the East Midlands concluded Mr Mckeague was "most likely" at the landfill site. It had looked into the Suffolk investigation and found no other possible lines of inquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-42222079

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Search to end by Christmas and a report by specialist officers from the East Midlands concluded Mr Mckeague was "most likely" at the landfill site. It had looked into the Suffolk investigation and found no other possible lines of inquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-42222079

I really want to know what it is that make the police so sure he is in there?! It can't just be that the bin weighed a lot and it can't just be the phone pings as we know they stopped on Saturday morning and Corrie might not be with his phone anyway. I hope there's a public enquiry of some sort.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

In happier news for the family, Darroch proposed to his girlfriend last night (she said yes!) at a charity fundraiser for SULSAR.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/brother-missing-corrie-mckeague-gets-11634568

 

[JustJo]

I'm not clear as to whether the police really think he's in the landfill, or whether they are following the most [only] realistic course of investigation based on the [massively conflicting] evidence in this case because there's nothing else they can do and they want to head off any form of action or criticism from the family.

Personally I would want them to finish this current search and then simply stop until and unless there are any genuine new leads in the case. This has absorbed the limited resources of one of the UK's smallest police forces for long enough. SP are there to serve all of the people of Suffolk, not just one young man who almost certainly came to grief due to his own irresponsibility.



Increasingly I suspect we will never know, especially if his remains are no longer actually recoverable for whatever reason.

Unfortunately there are a lot of missing people who are never found. It has to be incredibly upsetting and frustrating for the family but that's the way it is sometimes
There are just too many places that someone can get lost, or someone can hide a body without it being discovered. You cannot search everywhere

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[MelmothTheLost]

I really want to know what it is that make the police so sure he is in there?! It can't just be that the bin weighed a lot and it can't just be the phone pings as we know they stopped on Saturday morning and Corrie might not be with his phone anyway. I hope there's a public enquiry of some sort.

There's a world of difference between "so sure" and "most likely". As I said the other day, I'm not convinced they are sure he's in the landfill, just that that is the best or only lead they have until something new emerges to point them in another direction.

I also wouldn't put it past the meeja to misrepresent the police's position as firmer than it actually is.

 

[Bedouin]

If they don’t find C in the landfill, IMO that rules out the back of the bin lorry, which would make the drivers cab the next most likely way of C getting out of the horseshoe. This should make it more likely that the driver would be questioned under caution, along with others who were in the area at that time. As far as we know people have only been questioned as potential witnesses. So they wouldn’t have to answer questions.

 

[Shiressleuth]

If they don’t find C in the landfill, IMO that rules out the back of the bin lorry, which would make the drivers cab the next most likely way of C getting out of the horseshoe. This should make it more likely that the driver would be questioned under caution, along with others who were in the area at that time. As far as we know people have only been questioned as potential witnesses. So they wouldn’t have to answer questions.

He was already questioned under caution when the dispatcher was also pulled in for PTCOJ but they could be pulled in again I guess.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If they don’t find C in the landfill, IMO that rules out the back of the bin lorry,

I don't think we can say it would completely rule out that possibility as there has to be a chance that his body was dumped in a spot where it could have been inadvertently moved just outside the search area, eg by subsequent spreading or compacting of rubbish and soil. From what I've read the current search is to ensure that the cell in which he is thought to have ended up is completely searched right to the edges and bottom. However if the relevant load was dumped right on the edge of the cell he could have ended up in the neighbouring one, if you see what I mean. But they can't dig up the entire site and they obviously plan to draw a line under it when the most likely cell has been completely searched.

which would make the drivers cab the next most likely way of C getting out of the horseshoe.

In theory, yes, but the driver would have to be very self-assured to maintain his account for over a year in the face of police enquiries and interviews.

 

[Shiressleuth]

No news because he’s not in the landfill. How much longer does it have to go on for? Perhaps we should do another poll, but we don’t have any evidence of anything.


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I think you can go back to the poll posts and revote by removing thanks and thanking another option. Most of us voted for not in LF IIRC and it looks like we're going to be right so wouldn't want to change now.

 

[Antonia]

A couple of new articles, although very little new information. A redacted version of the report on the review of the investigation is being published today, following FoI Act request by the BBC.

I'm a bit confused, though - if the investigation was "exemplary", how is it that there are 14 recommendations on how it could have been more efficient? :/

Corrie McKeague police inquiry had 'limited resources'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-42231305

Missing Corrie McKeague search to stop within two weeks
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/missing-corrie-mckeague-search-stop-13994452

 

[gregjrichards]

Wish we could get a Christmas miracle and Corrie be found at last. I understand the search must end but what a dreadful outcome for Corrie’s family.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Missing Corrie McKeague search to stop within two weeks
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/missing-corrie-mckeague-search-stop-13994452

Something interesting in that link:

Senior officers believe it is most likely he crawled into a large recycling bin before being killed when a Biffa truck collected the cargo and dropped the contents to a trading depot.

Days later the rubbish would have been taken from the depot to a landfill site in Milton outside Cambridge.

This strongly suggests (unless the journalist had misunderstood the process) that if he had been in the bin lorry his body would been unloaded at the depot and been there for several days before being re-loaded and taken away.

IF this is what happened, how did the workers at that site miss the body of an adult male?

And if the rubbish was not going to be sorted in some way, why not just take it straight to the landfill site?

 

[Cherwell]

I'm a bit confused, though - if the investigation was "exemplary", how is it that there are 14 recommendations on how it could have been more efficient? :/

Corrie McKeague police inquiry had 'limited resources'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-42231305

I think the answer is there - they had limited resources.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Something interesting in that link:



This strongly suggests (unless the journalist had misunderstood the process) that if he had been in the bin lorry his body would been unloaded at the depot and been there for several days before being re-loaded and taken away.

IF this is what happened, how did the workers at that site miss the body of an adult male?

And if the rubbish was not going to be sorted in some way, why not just take it straight to the landfill site?

Do they mean Red Lodge when they say "trading depot"?

 

[Antonia]

I think the answer is there - they had limited resources.

IMO, the limited resources are the reason it needed to be and should have been more efficient. It's a total contradiction in terms to claim that something running on "limited resources" was "exemplary", yet still have *14* areas where efficiency could be improved. I find it impossible to have any faith in the investigation at all

 

[Shiressleuth]

"Identification of initial wider time parameters may have assisted with seizing/obtaining cctv"- paraphrasing from the BBC article.
I wonder if this is referring at all to the cctv in Short Brackland?

I note also from the same article, searching the RL waste depot and restarting the LF were seemingly done based on report recommendations.

I remember two sets of house and car keys being found tossed in a hedge in Red Lodge way back at the beginning of this and now we are ending it there too by the look of this report.

How strange this whole affair has been. We can only hope he is found in the next two weeks.

 

[Cherwell]

IMO, the limited resources are the reason it needed to be and should have been more efficient. It's a total contradiction in terms to claim that something running on "limited resources" was "exemplary", yet still have *14* areas where efficiency could be improved. I find it impossible to have any faith in the investigation at all

I take it to mean that it was as good as could be expected with the resources that were available.

Let's not forget that there is no evidence of any crime having been committed.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Something interesting in that link:



This strongly suggests (unless the journalist had misunderstood the process) that if he had been in the bin lorry his body would been unloaded at the depot and been there for several days before being re-loaded and taken away.

IF this is what happened, how did the workers at that site miss the body of an adult male?

And if the rubbish was not going to be sorted in some way, why not just take it straight to the landfill site?

This has been the situation since we found out/got clarification about the Red Lodge/"recycling process". Corrie would have to be missed multiple times by multiple people to get to Milton.

And so far be missed by 8-12 people doing a forensic level search of the landfill for ~6 months.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Corrie McKeague's father, 48, makes final visit to landfill site as police search for his missing 23-year-old RAF airman son is due to end

Corrie McKeague's father has made what could be his final visit to the landfill site where police are coming to the end of their search for his missing son.

Today, Martin McKeague, 48, and his second wife Trisha visited to the tip, hours after Mr McKeague's mother Nicola Urquhart said the search is due to end next week.

The couple spent around an hour at the rubbish tip, talking to the search team and having a tour of the area where police believe Mr McKeague is buried.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Keagues-father-final-visit-landfill-site.html

 

[Reallyodd]

Having read these articles and another which I will link to, I am of the opinion that it is not what it seems. The pointers for me are:

from the BBC link:

Significant chunks of the document have been redacted, including large portions dealing with an error in the weight of material carried on a bin lorry which collected waste from the area in which Mr Mckeague was last seen.

From: http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/mother-of-missing-raf-serviceman-corrie-mckeague-says-she-has-issues-with-independent-review-1-5311179

[FONT=&amp]A major fact concerning the weights of the bins is incorrect in the report. That could have had an impact on recommendations as to how this investigation has been carried out.[/FONT]

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From the BBC article again: [/FONT]

The review, carried out by police in the East Midlands on behalf of Suffolk Police, makes 14 recommendations including viewing CCTV from a wider area. Other points identified included: Collecting witness statements in relation to waste collections made on 26 September 2016

I've never believed all the stuff of the bin weights and it was just too convenient that it suddenly changed at just the right time. CCTV from a wider area and witness statements regarding waste collected on the following Monday. These two things suggest to me that they believe C could have got out of HS/SB without being seen by CCTV and that if he did end up in a bin, it could have been one of those in the loading bay in SB which were collected on Monday 26th.

Edited to change colour but can't - how did it become green?