UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #5

[Ironside]

We can't discuss rumours on facebook here so no point speculating.

 

[suzyjackson]

Hi I'm new to this site and have a question for you. Probably going to think it's silly/been asked before but going to ask anyway. Has anyone asked Nicola or has it been spoken off, was Corrie seen on CCTV having a wee in Hughes doorway ? or on route to horseshoe area? Might help establish if he was indeed looking for a quite corner or if something else took him over to the area not seen on CCTV

Welcome to the thread, it's not a silly question at all, I haven't seen it asked anywhere. If you're a member of the facebook group you could ask. I'm not clear if we are allowed to post answers to our own questions via the facebook group but I see this has been done a few posts above and hasn't been deleted so I guess it's OK

 

[MidsummersDay]

Just been looking at the second CCTV footage again. I'm still of the opinion that he was moving towards waiting for a vehicle (lift) and late. However, I also can't help thinking that he's looking back towards his 'doss spot'. Maybe to get his bearing, maybe to see how far he'd jogged? This isn't necessarily important to me at present.
Put yourself in his shoes. If you're going into a darkened, unknown area from a decently lit area you would assume that the darker area was safe otherwise you'd be reluctant to enter it. He slows down so he's obviously wary but not wary enough to stop before entering.
Also, why hug the left of the screen and then walk to the right hands in pockets? That suggests that he perceives that darker area to be relatively safe other wise he'd have probably have avoided it. There has to be an attraction in the darkened area....the cycles, the safety to leap out on someone, the safety of the darkness, a car, a pee spot?? There's a definite attraction in my mind. This is important as it could lead to his next move.
If he needs to pee, then that suggests he can't wait any longer and sitting down would squeeze the bladder and make him more uncomfortable. If that's the case then he's more than likely waiting for a car. As I said, I still think a car is the egress option.

Just brainstorming...

 

[suzyjackson]

I hope there may be good reasons for this?? i.e. New information / leads to follow up on?

I'd say probably just not enough time to get everything sorted and the hub up and running. Looks like a lot of people will be there, it wouldn't be good it it wasn't working properly

JMO

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I think that means we can probably dismiss the idea that not wanting to break the law was the reason for not sleeping in the car. Someone pointed out that it would be a very uncomfortable car to try and sleep in so maybe he just didn't want to be cramped up in the car or as Nicola says the falling asleep wasn'y intended it had never crossed his mind to return to the car for a nap

JMO

Or maybe he was feeling really queasy after all that junk food and was worried about throwing up in his car.

 

[Edinlass]

Thursday / Friday will probably work better aswell as there will be, i'd assume, a lot of late night shoppers both nights with it being Christmas soon. Also, maybe they wish to do it on the Friday night due to Corrie also going missing on a Friday through to Saturday, maybe it will jog more peoples minds or help identify the remaining 23. Catching early club goers hitting the pubs before a night in the clubs who may have in turn been out the same night Corrie went missing. Maybe it was a deliberate change or of course maybe not but I would have thought before putting out arrangements on a fb page with 60k members the information would be double checked and checked again before the go ahead. I'm just rambling now.

 

[Edinlass]

I know it was discussed before but I don't know if anyone confirmed this. Is there anyone on the forum able to attend the hub Thursday or Friday and pick up any information for us here to discuss? Also, I wonder if the police will allow people to take pictures of the 23, i'd assume not, but if they did would the images be allowed to be shared here, without breaching any rules?

 

[Scorpio1]

Has any one seen any information on the dogs, I know that they never tracked him to tesco , but did they manage to find any track of him in the loading Bay Area or was it to late to get anything,

 

[suzyjackson]

Or maybe he was feeling really queasy after all that junk food and was worried about throwing up in his car.

Yes, could be that too. I know people have commented about the food but in my limited experience of healthy young men it doesn't strike me as a particularly unusual late night meal after a sesh :laughing:

 

[cotswoldemmie]

I know it was discussed before but I don't know if anyone confirmed this. Is there anyone on the forum able to attend the hub Thursday or Friday and pick up any information for us here to discuss? Also, I wonder if the police will allow people to take pictures of the 23, i'd assume not, but if they did would the images be allowed to be shared here, without breaching any rules?

All being well with wrapping up work early, I will be heading to Bury for the weekend with a friend on Friday afternoon.
My main purpose for travelling across, is to help hand out leaflets with/for Nicola & persuade people to go into the Police hub.

We're then planning a spot of Rambling on Saturday & Sunday.

I'm a bit hesitant to go into the hub myself and view the footage, especially if they are busy. As I'm all the way over in Gloucestershire at the moment, I don't want to waste police time looking at footage when I know it's highly unlikely I will recognise anyone.
What are your thoughts?


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[TheTruthWillOut]

I just don't understand the reluctance of the Police releasing the CCTV footage more widely. There is a local case where I live where a photo of a lad has been posted because the Police want to talk to him about a hit and run. We have seen hundreds of CCTV appeals of people and vehicles on the likes of Crimewatch "to eliminate them from our inquires" so I don't buy privacy concerns.

I would think allowing the public to do the leg work would be welcomed by Suffolk Police given they are under funded/resourced?

 

[Edinlass]

All being well with wrapping up work early, I will be heading to Bury for the weekend with a friend on Friday afternoon.
My main purpose for travelling across, is to help hand out leaflets with/for Nicola & persuade people to go into the Police hub.

We're then planning a spot of rambling on Saturday & Sunday.

I'm a bit hesitant to go into the hub myself and view the footage, especially if they are busy. As I'm all the way over in Gloucestershire at the moment, I don't want to waste police time looking at footage when I know it's highly unlikely I will recognise anyone.
What are your thoughts?


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Ah thank you for your response and thanks for taking the time to go down there to hand out leaflets, every little helps. If I lived closer I would to. Yeah, you are right I would feel the same way as you, as we wouldn't recognise any of the 23 it would be a bit pointless and a waste of time viewing same. I am highly doubtful that the police will allow anyone to take any still pictures on phones etc of the pictures anyway was just curious.

 

[MidsummersDay]

All being well with wrapping up work early, I will be heading to Bury for the weekend with a friend on Friday afternoon.
My main purpose for travelling across, is to help hand out leaflets with/for Nicola & persuade people to go into the Police hub.

We're then planning a spot of rambling on Saturday & Sunday.

I'm a bit hesitant to go into the hub myself and view the footage, especially if they are busy. As I'm all the way over in Gloucestershire at the moment, I don't want to waste police time looking at footage when I know it's highly unlikely I will recognise anyone.
What are your thoughts? V


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Totally disagree with that sentiment. It's not the recognition of individuals we need here necessarily, it's additional observations!!

 

[Edinlass]

Having took the time to look properly over the www.findcorrie.co.uk website the information appears to be pretty contradictory. On two seperate updates dated the 20/11/16 they have the above about no forensic trace of Corrie but then have listed 3 possible outcomes -

<modsnip>

1. Still in the 'horseshoe area'

2. Left on foot

3. Left in a vehicle

But I thought it would have been 'impossible' to leave on foot without being seen by the CCTV as this has been vigorously tested per Tony. Does that mean that Corrie could be one of the people dressed in dark clothing. But then again Tony said under comments on the FB page that the police and specialists in this field have examined height etc. to rule out Corrie.

Apologies - baffled again.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Having took the time to look properly over the www.findcorrie.co.uk website the information appears to be pretty contradictory. On two seperate updates dated the 20/11/16 they have the above about no forensic trace of Corrie but then have listed 3 possible outcomes

Sorry, am being a bit dim - which bits are the contradictory bits?

Edit: Have just seen your update!

I think the 'leaving on foot' is an option only if it happened after 8am (as that's the time of the last reviewed CCTV).

Edit again: It's a bit more detailed on the FB group post:

"2. Left on foot:- The CCTV for the inner & outer camera rings surrounding the 'Horseshoe' has only been viewed until 0800hrs on Saturday 24th. It has been physically tested and proven that a person can not leave this area on foot without being seen by at least one of the cameras. Corrie is not seen leaving on foot.
- The work to view the outstanding CCTV is delayed due to resource issues (both human and technical). This is largely due to there being other major investigations in the Force area being launched (2 murders), which take priority over what is still classified as a 'Missing Person' investigation. The team continue to try and work within these constraints and are seeking to engage the services of other expert organisations to assist, but this may take some time. "

 

[CoverMeCagney]

All being well with wrapping up work early, I will be heading to Bury for the weekend with a friend on Friday afternoon.
My main purpose for travelling across, is to help hand out leaflets with/for Nicola & persuade people to go into the Police hub.

We're then planning a spot of Rambling on Saturday & Sunday.

I'm a bit hesitant to go into the hub myself and view the footage, especially if they are busy. As I'm all the way over in Gloucestershire at the moment, I don't want to waste police time looking at footage when I know it's highly unlikely I will recognise anyone.
What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are one more person won't make any difference.... you should DEFINITELY go, and then report back, obvs!!

 

[Edinlass]

Sorry, am being a bit dim - which bits are the contradictory bits?

Apologies - I have edited my post to be a bit more clear. Hope this helps.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Having took the time to look properly over the www.findcorrie.co.uk website the information appears to be pretty contradictory. On two seperate updates dated the 20/11/16 they have the above about no forensic trace of Corrie but then have listed 3 possible outcomes -

<modsnip>

I mean right now as it stands the three possibles are the only logical possibilities:

1, is ruled out

2 , is ruled out by Tony by camera tests. The Police haven't officially stated this though, right?

3, The vehicles...Tony says they are identified so surely the Police have looked at these and the owners? If not, why not?

The CCTV itself is a forensic trace and it shows Corrie going to those bins so the lack of other forensics/scents etc thereafter is moot. We know for fact you can walk to those bins and leave no forensic trace.

If the 3 vehicles are ruled out (the Police silence on them is deafening!) then he must have been in a bin. That is my current logical deduction.

ETA: Interesting also that it categorically states the investigation team believe Corrie didn't disappear by choice.....that contradicts the official Police PR of all possibilities/theories are on the table?

 

[Amonet]

@ Edinlass

I think it's more that there are 3 possibilities, foot egress, vehicle egress, or still in there.

Then you say that the cameras appear to rule out Corrie leaving on foot. The forensics of the area didn't find a trace of him in there, so how would he still be in the area yet not leave a forensic trace, thus that seems unlikely. Which leaves a vehicle as the most likely option.

I don't think it's so much contradictory as that those are the three starting points to narrow down to what really happened through either a process of elimination or a tip, and to hopefully finally get the answer that's needed.

 

[Edinlass]

Hmmm..the leaving on foot is definitely contradicting the 'IT would be impossible to leave on foot without being detected by the cctv'.

But yes as @cj357 has stated the leaving on foot could have occurred after the 8am timeframe so yes, that makes more sense.

Sorry to add confusion.