Identified! UK - David Lytton, South Pennines, 'Neil Dovestone', 65-75, Dec'15

[mandarama]

He didn't look Pakistani to me either but in earlier articles it said that he may have been from the Pashtun ethnic group who have pale skin and different features which would fit better with the pictures imo.

 

[Jigoku Dayu]

This reminds me so much of the Peter Bergmann case. Though Neil seems like he will definitely be identified in time.

 

[dotr]

This reminds me so much of the Peter Bergmann case. Though Neil seems like he will definitely be identified in time.

Thanks for posting, looks interesting!
Going to check out PB's thread, looks like a new post there too.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ostate-cancer-Jun-09&highlight=Peter+Bergmann
Ireland - Sligo, WhtMale, 50-70, aka 'Peter Bergmann', prostate cancer, Jun'09

 

[mandarama]

Article published in the Evening Standard yesterday. No new details except to say that the 'extensive' enquiries are ongoing.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-is-put-on-hold-after-police-make-no-a3329816.

"An inquest into the death of a man who was found dead on moorland in Greater Manchester after travelling north from Ealing has been adjourned after police failed to make progress in the case.

A court heard today that "extensive" inquiries are ongoing to uncover the identity of the man, who was found dead on Saddleworth Moor more than eight months ago".

 

[dotr]

Article published in the Evening Standard yesterday. No new details except to say that the 'extensive' enquiries are ongoing.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-is-put-on-hold-after-police-make-no-a3329816.

"An inquest into the death of a man who was found dead on moorland in Greater Manchester after travelling north from Ealing has been adjourned after police failed to make progress in the case.

A court heard today that "extensive" inquiries are ongoing to uncover the identity of the man, who was found dead on Saddleworth Moor more than eight months ago".

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ut-on-hold-after-police-make-no-a3329816.html

 

[MelmothTheLost]

He didn't look Pakistani to me either but in earlier articles it said that he may have been from the Pashtun ethnic group who have pale skin and different features which would fit better with the pictures imo.

Nor to me. I don't know about Pashtun but my early impression was that he looks like any elderly traditional working class northern male like my late grandfather. All he needs is a cloth cap.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

His arms were across his chest.”

I wonder if the arms crossed over the chest could have been simply due to the muscle spasms caused by the strychnine.

 

[badhorsie]

I read a long article about this man. I am fairly sure it was in the Observer. In the article it stated that in the actual morgue photo or maybe IRL, he actually looks to be Indian or Pakistani

 

[wfgodot]

So -- best guess time. Who is -- or was -- this fellow?

I'll go with the old sailor home from the sea from years spent on foreign waters and in foreign shores, an Englishman come back tens of years later to a spot closely tied to the reason he got his papers and shipped out in the first place.

Anyone?

 

[dalsglen]

I've no idea wfgodot, but I hope they find out sharpish! Its crazy how people can just diasappear and no one notices.

 

[wfgodot]

I've no idea wfgodot, but I hope they find out sharpish! Its crazy how people can just diasappear and no one notices.

Me either, just typed down first thing that came to mind after they couldn't ID him in a couple months. (Been 261 days now.)

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'll go with the old sailor home from the sea from years spent on foreign waters and in foreign shores, an Englishman come back tens of years later to a spot closely tied to the reason he got his papers and shipped out in the first place.

Anyone?

The single thing which argues most against this idea is his lack of tattoos. Tattoos are virtually universal for all ranks in the Royal Navy and British Merchant Marine. Hell, even George V had a few.

Also, if he was British MM he would have been one of a pretty small group these days, even if his service was mostly overseas. I think someone would have identified him by now.

 

[wfgodot]

The single thing which argues most against this idea is his lack of tattoos. Tattoos are virtually universal for all ranks in the Royal Navy and British Merchant Marine. Hell, even George V had a few.

Also, if he was British MM he would have been one of a pretty small group these days, even if his service was mostly overseas. I think someone would have identified him by now.

Perhaps he sailed commercial liners?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Perhaps he sailed commercial liners?

If you mean cruise liners, you will find that virtually all of the officer and managerial staff on those ships are westerners (who've gone through military or merchant marine officer training and therefore are known and traceable) and the service and "below stairs" staff are from the developing world. It helps to keep the costs down.

In any event we still have the problem of the lack of tattoos. They're obviously not compulsory but they are pretty universal.

But I also think you (?) could be right in thinking this is possibly a Brit who has spent most of his life in the sub-continent. I do wish they'd release the results of their isotope testing so we know where he grew up.

 

[Ellmau]

My grandad was in the Navy for 22 years and had no tattoos.

 

[mandarama]

I've just spotted this article published yesterday in the Saddleworth Independant. I really do hope that he is identified - interested to see that they think it less likely now that he was Pakistani as the fingerprints have drawn no matches (unlike the UK all citizens have fingerprints taken for a national database)


http://saddind.co.uk/mystery-case-of-man-on-the-moors-continues

“With fingerprints you are only as good as the initial fingerprint that were taken. It’s not definitive but it would suggest he might not be Pakistani.”

My gut feeling is still that he was from the UK but had spent time in Pakistan - enough not to be recognised well by anyone in the UK.

Sad to think he may never be identified, yet as the article mentions many others still haven't been.


“There are lots of bodies that haven’t been identified in the UK and I hope he is not going to be one of them. He might well be but not through the lack of trying. You can only go as far as you can.”

 

[DanceCard]

At the beginning, I thought this man would be identified within a week or two of the case being made public. But here were are, 8 months on, and still nothing. I'm not criticising GMP or any of the other official organisations involved, I just can't believe he's still not identified.

I've driven 'over the tops' on this route (instead of the M62) several times since I heard about this case and I think about this man every time.
Let's hope the isotope testing comes up with something that can lead to his identification. Very sad case.

 

[Al Ka]

Those are good news - they are not giving up and still working on 2 ways that might narrow things down.

- Isotope analysis of bones taken from the body is already underway in Amsterdam by a world leading specialist.

- Enquiries are also continuing in Pakistan to find the surgeon who carried out a distinctive operation. “They are sending those X rays and details round to all 15 hospitals we have identified and throughout their Associations to try and find the surgeon.

 

[mandarama]

Yes I'm very interested in what the Isotope testing shows too. It seems it will be at least another month as DCI Coleman is quoted as saying 'science takes time'. Really hope it provides something useful.

 

[Elainera]

My guess would be that he left England many years ago, but returned to die there, for whatever reason. Because of the time passed nobody who once knew him recognized him.