GUILTY UK - Ellie Butler, 6, brutally murdered, Sutton, 28 Oct 2013 #2

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Butler's Criminal Chronology:-
2004
• Ben Butler pleads guilty to assault after punching a man in the street in Kingston ⚠❕
2005
• Butler pleads guilty to assaulting ex-girlfriend, Hannah Hillman ⚠❕
2005
• Butler accepts a caution for assault on ex-girlfriend, Hannah Hillman ⚠❕
2006
• Butler convicted of Burglary and sentenced to 3 years in Prison ⚠❕
January 2008
• Butler HHJ Atkins finds he inflicted NAI ⚠❕
March 2009
• Butler is convicted of s.20 grievous bodily harm on Ellie and sentenced to 19 months in prison ⚠❕
October 2009
• Butler is freed from jail by Court of Appeal on bail, with Gray given leave to appeal findings ��
June 2010
• Butlers conviction for GBH is quashed ⚠❕
June 2010
• Butler pleads guilty to battering a man in a kebab shop in Wimbledon ⚠❕
2011
• Butler convicted for possession of a deadly weapon ⚠❕
March 2013
• Services 4 Children stop work with the Family ⚠❕
August 2014
• Butler findings made that he was guilty of Child Cruelty & Murder
June 2016
• Butler convicted for Murder and Child Cruelty
 
COURT OF APPEAL decision
LORD JUSTICE MOSES
MRS JUSTICE RAFFERTY
and
MR JUSTICE HEDLEY

BButler 17/06/2010

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2010/1269.html

The case was tried at Croydon Crown Court before His Honour Judge Timothy Stow Q.C. and a jury. The unusual feature of this case was the fact that, happily, Ellie had made a complete recovery from her head injury and, given the absence of either external sign of this injury or any other relevant injury, it was, therefore, a case to be tried almost entirely on the basis of medical evidence and opinion.
Thus it was that the decision to join the other incident and then to refuse to sever became more important than it might otherwise have been. The burning incident was comparatively trivial and was never suggested as having been deliberate; it was left to the jury on the basis of recklessness. Indeed, had it stood alone, there is every reason to think that it may not have been the subject of criminal prosecution at all and would have been viewed as a piece of "new parent carelessness". It is true that the Judge gave a careful direction to treat them separately but the reality is that this incident provided the only concrete example of any misdoing by the appellant and in a case such as this, it was asking a great deal of the jury to ignore it when they were considering the head injury. This court will, of course, be very slow to interfere with the exercise of a trial Judge's discretion in matters such as these but the risk referred to above left us with a sense of unease as to whether that Count should have been tried with Count 2.

rest at link
 
working fine for me

nevertheless try this

go here:
https://storify.com/sharonmartin/a-...ign=website&utm_source=email&utm_medium=email

scroll to end of article

go to final tweet by Pro Bono Family Law and click on their link in their tweet .
Take u to their site, access loads from there.

x

EDIT - a load have been pulled since they uploaded them on 23rd June! Sorry, No Hogg on here, just the link - should've got to this site quicker ;)
 
I spent ages net, found nothing, but good luck. That's why I thought he had done a "scrub". I tried specific date ranges, different variations of Ben , specific areas of known crimes - Kingston, Sutton etc. Nothing. As an ex journalist you'll have more tricks up your sleeve than me though .

I'm erring on the side of that not being the case, it's not very easy to get Google to remove search results. If you search a person's name there is always a "data may have been removed" notice at the bottom of the results. Trawl through all those FAQs etc for more info, it's a bit long winded to post links here. Maybe you can spot something I missed (I was skimming quite fast) that could suggest he got a removal.

I think the judiciary's view is that the judges warn all jurors not to do their own research and that they trust jurors to believe in the tenet of "fair trial" as a basic right and so obey the order. When they disobey the order, the punishment can be harsh. This piece is very dry and long but skip to "Theodora Dallas" if need be:

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/trial-by-google-juries-social-media-and-the-internet

For conducting her searches which revealed the previous acquittal of the defendant for rape, Dr Dallas was found by the Lord Chief Justice to be in contempt of court, and was committed to 6 months” imprisonment.


I'm wondering if his earlier convictions were prior to the local newspapers getting their online acts together? The HH common assault was 2005 and I think the Sutton Guardian available search dates started in 2008 {ETA Correction 1998}. I know my local paper hadn't a clue about the internet in 2005! His crimes back then wouldn't have warranted national press attention and I don't think the BBC's "regional" sections would have covered it. Certainly can't find anything on the BBC.

I'll no doubt keep worrying this bone for a while anyway, there's a few gems cropping up still out there :)
 
@ neteditor, you can see the dates of his previous offences in the criminology list i just put up. The newspapers were online at that time.
 
Are all the links working for you? I'm getting 404s for some of them

Yes, just tried some more and some 404s, drat and I've forgotten my drop box password!! Some maybe pulled after they uploaded them on 23 June?
Anyway this Loughborough lawyer is clearly very disturbed by the whole case and does an interesting narrative.
 
@ neteditor, you can see the dates of his previous offences in the criminology list i just put up. The newspapers were online at that time.

Yep cross posted :D Takes a while to write posts and sort the children out :D What an irony my own are being neglected now hehe.

ETA - double checked and Sutton Guardian search criteria goes back to 1998 not 2008, apologies again. I should try doing one thing at a time some time :D
 
http://www.pinktape.co.uk/rants/ellie-butler-murder-some-of-the-things-the-press-havent-told-you/ Another report from the lawyer, haven't read it yet, so not sure if it's anything new


Wonder if we should tweet her and tell her about WS ;)

Yes, there is some new stuff, I think

he judge does not exonerate the father of causing any harm to his child. She expressly states he may have injured her, albeit innocently. Harm is broader than injury. “Never” is a further broadening of the exoneration. The injuries were not suspected but actual injuries. This stuff does matter. The letter suggests that the father is blameless in a broader sense than the judgment, whilst the judgment rules only on specific injuries. I can see how this may have contributed to a professional view that the father was teflon coated, although it can never have prospectively exonerated him of subsequent abusive behaviour

In addition the Local Authority further state that [the younger sibling] is at risk of suffering emotional harm [in the mother’s care] in that she has failed to show commitment and consistency towards contact, and had failed to co* operate with the Local Authority, being secretive about her health, her contact details, employment and other aspects of her life which would be relevant to her having care of the sibling.

Unusually, having heard evidence, the judge took the view she was not in a position to evaluate whether the dishonest and other behaviour of the parents (which was in large measure admitted) was sufficiently serious to cross the threshold. Mrs Hogg J at the conclusion of the first judgment is openly pondering how much of the parents’ behaviour is a product of having been wrongly accused of harming their daughter over a period of 5 ½ years.

There's also some direct quotes from Hogg's judgement that are allowed within the reporting restrictions it says
 
Yes, just tried some more and some 404s, drat and I've forgotten my drop box password!! Some maybe pulled after they uploaded them on 23 June?
Anyway this Loughborough lawyer is clearly very disturbed by the whole case and does an interesting narrative.

Thank you. Yes, I suppose they were still under reporting restrictions maybe?
 
Thank you. Yes, I suppose they were still under reporting restrictions maybe?

yes s/he must have uploaded them and then been told to get them off! Never mind. I should have opened them all before posting!


Yes am amused by the lawyer's non-stop exclamation marks and annoyed emoticons! S/he should have been on here last 2 months, would have been right at home.
They are specialists in child& family law so s/he isn't over-emoting.
 
lots on there still, if you can be bothered

Loads of interesting questions by this expert, so Serious Case review isn't that probing then?

it is plain, there is more to this tragic story especially with the part played by Independent Social Workers: Services for Children [S4C] who provided such a "positive" assessment of the parents despite their being evidence in exchanges of undisclosed emails of Ellie saying ‘I don’t want to go back’. However the Law here is fairly clear, Ellie was a very young child and NOT Gillick Competent so the weight accorded to her wishes and feelings is less than a child say aged 12 years old when feeding the checklist.

The Grandparents had spent circa £70,000 to get the SGO for Ellie back in 2007, this may explain there disillusionment with the process as a whole. Were they just "Battle Fatigued"? Was the outcome of the Fact Finding completely unexpected to them so they didn't intervene?

How MANY LIES did Ben Butler and Jennie Gray TELL PEOPLE to cover up? Did BB and JG lie throughout the assessment with S4C? Was this, WHY they wanted a FRESH set of eyes doing the parenting assessments to avoid the LA who were onto them?

Why did the Local Authority NOT pursue alternative allegations - was S4C positive report the hurdle - what did the report say? Why was there was no APPEAL by the Children's Guardian or Local Authority of Sutton? Were THEY happy to DELEGATE any FUTURE blame on Justice Hogg? How much budget did the LA waste on this case? Why didn't the LA initially support Adoption in light of the incredibly serious threshold findings?

no point me linking, this site doesn't like FB, even if it's a lawyers.
 
In that pink tape blog, the writer says that the grandparents were not protesting strongly, reluctantly agreed for Ellie to be returned, and were not represented in court.

But they spent all their life's savings and could no longer afford representation at a crucial time.
 
It just makes me deeply despondent and angry at THE system. Put in place to n protect our children. And yet you disagree with any governmental body and they will dismiss you without a secondary breath.
We are all human and humans make errors. But if failings are brought to light not by 1 person or body. If there is a shadow of a doubt then action should clearly be taken. I really am totally bemused how no one apart from Gpa n Gma or school noted all the warning signs yet NO one listened FFS!

Bit late now to shut the stable door now the horse has bolted!!

:angry:

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk
 
Neteditor, Prime S, Looroll - thanks for the hugs and understanding and sorry if you have had the same horrific parenting and dysfunctional family experience. I went today to an amazing group - it`s fairly new and the only group I know that exists which confronts, and offers support for adult children who have become estranged from their families due to PDs within the family and the chaos and destruction that ensues. If you are interested, PM me and I will send you the details. It`s very well run and a bunch of great people who attend and share. Today`s session was 4 hours and I took away so much from it. It was set up by a journalist who is herself estranged from her whole family.
Michelle *advertiser censored*



Thank you so much Michelle x
 
Hello all,

thanks for for the warm welcome a few pages back :)

So, I have read through as much as I can - it's just too heartbreaking for words.

I am new to WS so apologies if this is not an appropriate question; does it seem that Mrs Justice Hogg had more information to reach the exoneration? I just cannot believe that an experienced judge was release Ellie back to her 'parents'?

Does anyone else agree that more will come out about the exoneration and these two? Or is that a common belief that I have missed?

Also to me it is clear that we do not know the truth about Ellie's death; yes he definitely did it - no doubt in my mind. But, and forgive me, the actual weapon just wasn't found?

One of the other things that I am really struggling with (please note there are many about this) is how could JG let him do this to her child? In my house me and partner pretty much share the parenting in an equal way so that DC has a rounded view and does not grow up with stereo-types BUT as a mother I cannot understand how she let this treatment of her daughter continue? I wonder what the psych. Assessments will establish about her...
is there an older thread than this one about BB and JG that I have missed?

So so so tragic.
 

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