UK - Gaia Pope, 19, found deceased, Swanage, Dorset, 7 Nov 2017 #2

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Seni said:
Hi John,

How accessible is this terrain by car? In relation to the spot where the clothes were found and now tragically Gaia's body? Are there footpaths only?

Could a car have made its way alongside? Got through all the gates?

You have pointed out that it is a slippery route due to the rain, therefore perhaps difficult for tracing footsteps, tyre traces?
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You can drive up to the quarry in a car but once there you would still have to carry the person at least 500m over a style and two locked gates without being seen.

If someone did drive up there it would be easy for the police to check as the underside of their car would be covered in purbeck clay. I know from experience that it is very difficult to clean it all from the car without completely stripping down the chassis. The police were preserving the tyre tracks on the track around the quarry so they will be able to match the tread pastern against any of the suspects cars.
 
Armchair_Defective said:
Symptoms of epilepsy - Focal Seizures https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/seizures/focal-seizures


  • Part of your body, for example one arm, going stiff
  • Part of your body going limp or ‘floppy’
  • Rhythmic jerking in part of your body
  • Brief, irregular jerks in part of your body
  • Your head and eyes turning to one side
  • Lip smacking, repeated swallowing or chewing
  • A jerking movement that starts in one part of your body – usually your hand or face – and then spreads bit by bit to other parts of your body
  • Having repeated movements such as rocking, pedalling or pelvic thrusting
  • Undressing
  • Running or walking

  • Feelings of fear, anxiety, anger or pleasure
  • Changes to your vision, hearing, smell or taste
  • Having sensations of being hot or cold
  • Seeing or hearing things that aren’t there (hallucinations)
  • Feeling like your body is distorted
  • Feeling like part of your body is missing or doesn’t belong to you
  • Feeling or being sick
  • Changes to breathing, heart-rate or skin tone
  • Feeling like what’s happening has happened before (deja vu)
  • Difficulty processing language

Undressing, running or walking .......having sensations of being hot or cold - anxiety - difficulties with language ( ie the 'talking broken biscuits' report.

Personally I think epilepsy fits really well for explaining her behaviour and why she might have run off and taken her clothes off up at the cliffs. As her family said, she was getting worse and having fits everyday.
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But these behaviours normally last mere moments. In the few seconds before the actual seizure, someone may experience one or a couple of the above sensations, often undetectable by others. But it only lasts a few seconds before the brain falls into full seizure activity
 
Armchair_Defective said:
I'm not saying it was impossible for her to get hypothermia whilst up at the cliffs. I'm in the UK by the way, so yes I know how cold it can be and especially by the coast! It's just that people pointed out symptoms of hypothermia (taking clothes off, saying she was hot) before she went there. that was when the hypothermia theory was first mentioned.

So what I'm saying is the confusion, removing clothes and saying she was hot at Rosemary Dinch's house, was not likely due to hypothermia ( as she had been in a car and wearing a coat and then running) . So I'm thinking her epilepsy or drugs related to it....or lack of, is probably what killed her, as it was already taking effect before she went to the cliffs.
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I suspect we're all talking at cross purposes here, and that people are talking about symptoms of hypothermia earlier because that is what fits the symptoms as far as they know. Of course it's possible that she might have been reacting at that point to either her epilepsy or lack of her epilepsy drugs but non-medical people and non-epileptic patients probably wouldn't know anything about that so people are interpreting what's been reported in terms that they know and understand.

I think it's very likely that she had some sort of crisis, whether related to her epilepsy, other mental health issues or something else entirely, but then succumbed to hypothermia on the cliffs after she ran off.
 
I think it was a mixture of accident/possible hypothermia/epilepsy.

My Uncle died as a result of an epileptic fit.
He was crap at taking his medication so it was uncontrolled, plus he liked a drink which doesn't mix well with epilepsy.
He was home alone when he had the fit.
 
Armchair_Defective said:
I was questioning this yesterday. Nothing quoted by police suggested they searched the field/area where clothes were found thoroughly or indeed at all before the clothes were found. In fact it was after they found the clothes that they said the area would be searched 'fully', with specialists, which implied it wasn't before. Friends of the family were quoted as saying it had been searched but to me that's subjective and they were not the trained / specialist searchers. My hunch yesterday was that they should be looking at the areas around the quarries/ clothes with victim recovery dogs.

Hypothermia keeps getting mentioned but why and how would she get hypothermia from being driven in a car to the doctors from her aunts and then at RD's house? she was allegedly saying she was hot there. So what would have caused hypothermia? In a suburban setting it's not very likely.

I think it makes much more sense that the over heating and confusion was to do with her epilepsy. ( I wrote earlier how a family member with epilepsy did a similar thing and bolted off in a panic). This could be compounded by an overdose ( someone mentioned she was using alternative medicines/ hemp oil?) or absence of medication which could have lead to death. She was having seizures everyday, so more or less every hour would be affected by her epilepsy in some way.
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I agree that the reports that volunteers had "thoroughly" searched that area cannot be completed taken for granted. But has it not also been reported that the area was searched by helicopter? Personally I cannot accept that the clothes strewn in a field would not be spotted.
 
johnsmith99 said:
The Daily Mail isn't the best source for facts. When the dashcam footage was released they said it was just yards from Dancing Ledge. About 3500 yards.
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To be fair in this instance the word murdered is in quotes and so isn't being stated as fact. The BBC do this a lot too.
 
Atoz said:
I agree that the reports that volunteers had "thoroughly" searched that area cannot be completed taken for granted. But has it not also been reported that the area was searched by helicopter? Personally I cannot accept that the clothes strewn in a field would not be spotted.
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The helicopter was mostly circling the town concentrating on the roads and fields between where she was last seen and her house at Langton. That was more than a mile from where she was found. Plus if they were using their thermal camera to look for a person then the clothes would not have shown up.

The clothes may have also been thrown down near the wall and later pulled out into the field by animals.

Volunteers searching may have also missed the clothes if they were sticking to the footpaths as the area the clothes were found isn't visible from any path. Plus people often miss something if they are looking for a person and not clothing. I have seen people walk within 20ft of a deer without realising it was there.
 
Sleepyface said:
There’s a few plausible explanations, no one more persuasive with the information in MSM.

It’s plausible given her medical history she succumbed to epilepsy. Given her mental health, it’s no more or less plausible she ran and either harmed her self or came to harm from a fall in unpredictable terrain.

Given the police have more knowledge & took the decision to arrest 3 people on suspicion of murder, issue search warrants and seize items it’s also plausible it’s not quite that straight forward.

The forensics will be interesting. I wonder if the shoe treads are filled with that lovely Purbeck quarry dust for instance.
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Excellent thought. Her white trainers should yield a lot of clues with whatever mud etc went underfoot, or not.
 
Her bra removal is also an interesting feature. Would she think that would really make a difference? Her bare feet should also show signs of walking/running, unless decomposition makes that impossible to determine. Possibly there would be grass and mud between her toes.
 
Just bringing forward pictures of her trainers from the last thread

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Tortoise said:
Her bra removal is also an interesting feature. Would she think that would really make a difference? Her bare feet should also show signs of walking/running, unless decomposition makes that impossible to determine. Possibly there would be grass and mud between her toes.
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Just wondering if there is a link that states how she was found? (Eg. Part clothed ) I have read people mention it but haven't seen a link. I may have just missed it.
 
Shiressleuth said:
Just wondering if there is a link that states how she was found? (Eg. Part clothed ) I have read people mention it but haven't seen a link. I may have just missed it.
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No there isn't. We've only been able to pick up photos of certain clothing being put into evidence bags.

Trainer (or 2), a blue shirt with white buttons, a bra, and possibly a black sock but that photo is quite blurred. It's confusing because the papers have only ever said she was wearing a red check shirt with white buttons.
 
GE said this BEFORE Gaia was found:
'It is terrible for Gaia's family. I feel dreadfully sorry for them, I really do. I know if I was in their position I would be devastated.
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'At least we knew [our family members] were coming home.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ia-Pope-murder-goes-hiding.html#ixzz4ysTYCLmL
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How did he know Gaia wasn’t coming home?

Dailymail has updated the article so can’t be used as a time stamp - but the quote is repeated in this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgMQE3Ma4i4 which was posted 23hours ago.

 
LucyRocket said:
But these behaviours normally last mere moments. In the few seconds before the actual seizure, someone may experience one or a couple of the above sensations, often undetectable by others. But it only lasts a few seconds before the brain falls into full seizure activity
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Not necessarily, a family member of mine has had serious seizures and the effects lasted for days afterwards with hallucinations and other things. She may also have had more than one, people can have many seizures in a day. If that was the case she may have been up and down all day.
 
Sleepyface said:
GE said this BEFORE Gaia was found:

How did he know Gaia wasn’t coming home?

Dailymail has updated the article so can’t be used as a time stamp - but the quote is repeated in this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgMQE3Ma4i4 which was posted 23hours ago.

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I think from memory he was quoted saying that on the day PE was arrested.

I looked at it as "know" ie they don't know if she will or not.

"devastated" is a bit final though.
 
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