GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

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Planning permission for the 'wrap around conservatory' was granted in April 1994. So it's over 20 years old I imagine. Someone with Helen's money and taste wouldn't hold back on changing it for a different one I imagine.

Yes indeed.
HL's is not to my taste either. I wouldn't be ripping it out though, cause I am not HB so I was imagining that she would not be opting for an Everest uvpc replacement.
( My sister just ripped out a lovely Victorian style wooden one - it looked great but she needed to re-design the ground floor so had to be done. )
 
Newspaper reports have always said afternoon but not specific other than that.

Bill Manley in his radio interview yesterday talks about seeing the air ambulance in Bassingbourn as he was going up to the club to play bowls. No idea of the bowls match time, but assuming it was a 6pm schedule ( same as the day IS went to bowls ) would mean the air ambulance arrives a bit before that - say 5.30 ish.
Which in turn means regular ambulance would have been say 5pm.

Diane died in the hospital - air ambulance would not be sent for someone who had already died.
That fact alone makes me wonder what went wrong with IS plan ( if indeed it was a plan ).

Ah - I have known cases local to me where that has happened. One was a suicide by shooting, and I was reliably informed he was definitely dead.
 
I'm not nit-picking as such because I personally agree with you in so far as , . what's wrong with that conservatory anyway (We all said as much when cop Daines gave her video testimony weeks ago)

.... but it just strikes me that inside that conservatory there isn't a lot to "re-decorate" ( due to all the glass + looks like ceramic on one wall) does that need a conservatory designer to visit 3 times?

So I'm going to stick with speculating that she did actually want a classier re-build , poss in a period style to suit the house. ( BIG money)
( I can imagine him being VERY unhappy about her employing interior designers for other rooms and the notion of ripping out a conservatory for a posh one would have given him some sleepless nights.)

Anyway, if press are reading here they can get easily hold of Twitter conservatory man and find out what her price range and schedule actually was - IS deals in half-truths and full blown lies - eg. does it fit with the Gateshead flat sale/release of funds? ( as opposed to the other reasons for selling up that we mooted on here. )

ETA - cross post Alyce ^ re twitter man

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-29951740.html


Ah, you've just made me think. Perhaps she wanted it converted to a Orangerie ( sp ? ). They were considered the more stylish alternative back in the day - and might be more in keeping with the style of H Lodge.

difference between conservatory and orangerie - am sure someone more knowledgeable can update this info - but from what I remember - more brick and less glass in an orangerie. So obv more warmth within the room, which might have been a consideration for winter months. Plus, as said, generally considered more stylish overall.




http://www.glass-houses.co.uk/glass...erence-between-an-orangery-and-a-conservatory
 
Newspaper reports have always said afternoon but not specific other than that.

Bill Manley in his radio interview yesterday talks about seeing the air ambulance in Bassingbourn as he was going up to the club to play bowls. No idea of the bowls match time, but assuming it was a 6pm schedule ( same as the day IS went to bowls ) would mean the air ambulance arrives a bit before that - say 5.30 ish.
Which in turn means regular ambulance would have been say 5pm.

Diane died in the hospital - air ambulance would not be sent for someone who had already died.
That fact alone makes me wonder what went wrong with IS plan ( if indeed it was a plan ).

Yes, though didn't he have some other role at the club aside from being a player? So it's possible he could have been going there earlier.
 
Ah - I have known cases local to me where that has happened. One was a suicide by shooting, and I was reliably informed he was definitely dead.

Ah I stand corrected then. And it seems some media are saying Diane did die in the garden.
 
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Agree Alyce - orangery, nice 1890's style- you can get some lovely options for big bucks. HB def had a predilection for luxury and that romantic side so I can visualise it.

On the questions of why sell Gateshead asset/what was the plan for that £190k cash - the more we hear about IS we can guess she was going to have to use her money to fund anything, wedding, ring, house improvements.........

he's so canny, it' reminds me of the jewellery discussion where he fobs HB off with Hirsch engagement rings look like "costume jewellery" so she prob ends up saying - "Don't worry, I'll put towards it to get what I prefer."
He's never heard of these rare pink, blue diamonds so she can easily say to herself - he's not mean, he just doesn't get it, it's over his head.
 
Ah, you've just made me think. Perhaps she wanted it converted to a Orangerie ( sp ? ). They were considered the more stylish alternative back in the day - and might be more in keeping with the style of H Lodge.

difference between conservatory and orangerie - am sure someone more knowledgeable can update this info - but from what I remember - more brick and less glass in an orangerie. So obv more warmth within the room, which might have been a consideration for winter months. Plus, as said, generally considered more stylish overall.




http://www.glass-houses.co.uk/glass...erence-between-an-orangery-and-a-conservatory

Yup, that would figure and certainly not cheap either, which would put a dent in the money from selling the Gateshead flat.
 
Ah I stand corrected then. And it seems some media are saying Diane did die in the garden.

Well, like I say, if IS was the only person present (whether he saw her collapse or found her already collapsed), the only reliable source of information would be the paramedics who attended.

It's not always obvious when someone has died. My elderly neighbour died while I was on the phone to the paramedics who were on their way, but I didn't realise that till later. He was seated at a table, and following their instructions I lifted him so that he was leaning back to keep his airway clear, but later it became clear that he had already died by then. They still tried to bring him back though. (He wasn't the suicide btw!)
 
Interesting now the stories emerge which confirm his abusive personality

This is the danger of propensity reasoning "he's not that kind of guy"
 
Just to say what really GOT me during the trial was him talking of selling 'our' property in Gateshead and Strimmer reminding him 'It was Helen's property'. That made me see red. And IS behaviour does remind me of my father with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Spending money on himself but angry if it was spent on others AND picking fights with neighbours over little things that he felt affected HIM. Apparently all stems from a fragile damaged sense of self in Dad's case wartime. And NPDs feel 'entitled' and 'always right'. He'll to live with, outwardly charming. At least Dad was good looking! Lol


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Well, like I say, if IS was the only person present (whether he saw her collapse or found her already collapsed), the only reliable source of information would be the paramedics who attended.

It's not always obvious when someone has died. My elderly neighbour died while I was on the phone to the paramedics who were on their way, but I didn't realise that till later. He was seated at a table, and following their instructions I lifted him so that he was leaning back to keep his airway clear, but later it became clear that he had already died by then. They still tried to bring him back though. (He wasn't the suicide btw!)


I believe it needs a doctor to confirm death officially.
 
Only by him, at this stage.

Surely thar would have been picked up on by someone, if not in court, one of her family would have denied? I took it to mean that she had HAD seizures in the past - hence with the birth of the son - but had not for some considerable time, hence why that which caused her death was so unexpected.
 
Yes, he said he did CPR on her.

Good way to account for an bruises or injuries to her chest or neck area - "oh they must have happened when she fell and when I was desperately trying CPR on her" he'd say.

Who thinks Flinty may have another case on his hands!
 
Surely thar would have been picked up on by someone, if not in court, one of her family would have denied? I took it to mean that she had HAD seizures in the past - hence with the birth of the son - but had not for some considerable time, hence why that which caused her death was so unexpected.


Apologies but again, I thought I remembered a brain aneurysm mentioned at one point somewhere? Seemed odd to me when spoken of because fitting had also been brought up and I couldn't correlate the two things. At that time (ages ago) I assumed an aneurysm had been the cause of the fits?
Bringing it up in case anyone else recalls this. If totally incorrect I shall delete my post.
 
Author’s killer watched wife die in garden


Last week Ian Stewart was convicted of murdering Helen Bailey. Now light has been shed on an earlier, puzzling death

Robin Henry, James Gillespie and Ella Duffy
February 26 2017, 12:01am, The Sunday Times


The murderer of the children’s author Helen Bailey watched as his first wife died in their back garden, then brushed off questions about the cause of death, according to a witness.

Ian Stewart, 56, was jailed last week for 34 years after being convicted of the murder of Bailey, his fiancée, whose body was found in the cesspit of their £1.5m home in Royston, Hertfordshire. The body was discovered three months after Stewart reported her missing.

The court heard that he had been drugging Bailey, 51, with sleeping pills for months before killing her and dumping the body and that of Boris, her dachshund, into the pit under their garage.

After the case police said they would re-examine the circumstances of the unexpected death of Stewart’s first wife, Diane, 47, in 2010. The couple lived in a quiet close in Bassingbourn, on the border of Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire, not far from the house where Stewart killed Bailey.

A neighbour told The Sunday Times an air ambulance landed in the garden of his home in June 2010. “I left my house and headed to their [Stewart’s] bungalow and found paramedics already there,” said the neighbour, who asked not be identified.

“Their side gate was open and I could see Diane lying in the back garden with a paramedic performing CPR on her. Ian was watching. He looked very pale. I saw the paramedic turn to his colleague and shake his head to signal nothing more could be done. I caught Ian’s eye and realised I was intruding on something very private and tragic and had to leave.”

Three months later the neighbour visited Stewart to see how the widower was coping, but found him defensive. “We [the neighbourhood] still didn’t know how she died. I went to see how he was doing and felt enough time had passed to ask if there was an explanation for her death.

“He seemed annoyed and said ‘no, not really’ and ‘nothing came out of the post- mortem’. We didn’t hear anything about epilepsy until much later.

“I know her family said she couldn’t drive, but it was always him who seemed to have the health problems. Ambulances came for him a couple of times. I don’t know the exact reasons why.”

The neighbour said Diane was popular in the community and well known through her work at local schools. Ian was “nice enough”.

The view of him has changed with recent events. “When we heard [Bailey] was missing we thought ‘how terrible for him — after everything’. When they found her body we started seeing everything in a different light. There’s a lot of anger towards him for what he’s done.”

As he handed Stewart a life sentence last week, Judge Andrew Bright QC said financial gain had been the “principal motive” for the killing. Bailey’s personal fortune was put at about £4m.

“You knew Helen Bailey to be a wealthy woman, but were not content with having to share in her wealth as her husband. Instead you wanted it all for yourself,” the judge said. “I am firmly of the view that you currently pose a real danger to women with whom you form a relationship.”

After the death of his first wife, Stewart received £28,000 from Cambridgeshire county council, a £33,000 life insurance policy and £16,000 from a Legal and General policy. Three weeks after she died he bought an MG sports car.

Unusually, there is no record of a will or a grant of probate having been made in Diane Stewart’s name.

He later sold the Bassingbourn property for £520,000 and put £470,000 into his home with Bailey.

Relatives of Diane said he would not show them the death certificate even though the document, seen by The Sunday Times, states merely “sudden unexpected death in epilepsy” and “Verdict: natural causes”.

Noreen Lem, Diane’s mother, has welcomed the police decision to look again at her daughter’s unexpected death. She told The Sun: “She was fit, happy and healthy and too young to suddenly die. It was such a shock. Now there’s a possibility her husband had something to do with it.”

Another family member, who did not wish to be named, said: “We were told at the time it was an unexplained death — it has been on my mind that it was unexplained. [Stewart] was the only one there when she died . . . I know her brother and sister have been very concerned. ”

In 2013 Diane’s sister Wendy Bellamy-Lee raised her concerns on social media, saying the family was “still . . . numb and completely shocked . . . as to why it happened, with so many unanswered questions.”
 
Apologies but again, I thought I remembered a brain aneurysm mentioned at one point somewhere? Seemed odd to me when spoken of because fitting had also been brought up and I couldn't correlate the two things. At that time (ages ago) I assumed an aneurysm had been the cause of the fits?
Bringing it up in case anyone else recalls this. If totally incorrect I shall delete my post.

The Sun said aneurysm but I strongly suspect the hack just plumped for that as a general cause of sudden death without doing any actual research.

I guess the air ambulance might have attended but not been used to convey Diane. Senior paramedics can confirm death (did anyone watch Ambulance that was on a few months ago? One guy essentially just went around confirming deaths including those of people who'd jumped from the seventh floor etc).
 
Apologies but again, I thought I remembered a brain aneurysm mentioned at one point somewhere? Seemed odd to me when spoken of because fitting had also been brought up and I couldn't correlate the two things. At that time (ages ago) I assumed an aneurysm had been the cause of the fits?
Bringing it up in case anyone else recalls this. If totally incorrect I shall delete my post.

Diane's sister stated it was 'unexpected Epileptic fit' - deemed by the coroner at the full inquest on 13th September 2010, approximately 10 weeks after Diane's death. I guess the coroner at the initial inquest would have just 'opened and closed' it to give the go ahead for Diane's funeral and then they had to wait for all the results to go ahead with the full inquest.
 
The Sun said aneurysm but I strongly suspect the hack just plumped for that as a general cause of sudden death without doing any actual research.

I guess the air ambulance might have attended but not been used to convey Diane. Senior paramedics can confirm death (did anyone watch Ambulance that was on a few months ago? One guy essentially just went around confirming deaths including those of people who'd jumped from the seventh floor etc).



We did discuss it in a thread but due to my incompetence at searching I haven't found it yet ! You are correct it was in The Sun here : https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14612...ged-with-murder-after-cops-discover-her-body/ Father of two Mr Stewart found his first wife Diane collapsed in the garden of their home after she suffered a fatal brain aneurysm. and no doubt an assumption by the journo.

From the experience of my husband's sudden and totally unexpected death it was after paramedics and police attended that a doctor was called to confirm death.
 
Good way to account for an bruises or injuries to her chest or neck area - "oh they must have happened when she fell and when I was desperately trying CPR on her" he'd say.

Who thinks Flinty may have another case on his hands!

Did you find any link which says he did perform CPR Milly or was that in his testimony at court?

ETA - hold on , it was Squamous that posted that IS performed CPR
 
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