GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

[Alyce]

Yes, I can believe he'd be too tight.
I also think he resented Diane's popularity, so it would also be a way of denying her any importance or status.

Can well believe that. And no doubt Diane's family would not want to over ride the wishes of the grieving widower and organise a notice themselves.

 

[ColourPurple]

Wow,

I hadn't realised that what was on Dian'es death certificate didn't actually mean she'd had an epileptic fit.Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy (SUDEP) is just a term for no obvious cause of death being found...in somebody who already had epilepsy.


The definition of SUDEP.

If someone with epilepsy dies suddenly and unexpectedly, and no obvious cause of death can be found, it is called sudden unexpected death in epilepsy (SUDEP).
https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/sudep-sudden-unexpected-death-in-epilepsy

 

[Alyce]

just cause I passed by this evidence a minute ago...

think it was icemaiden ( not sure , sorry) pointed out the diff between the BBourn house sale 530 K and figures given by IS during testimony and another member then replied re legal expenses. ( too many pages back to go hunting now , sorry)

“[I]The Royston house was in a very old state. The decor was nowhere near our taste. “I brought my stuff from Bassingbourn over about six or seven months. “Every visit there was a nightmare, I kept going back and finding things of Diane’s, it was very sad. “The Bassingbourn house didn’t sell quickly, I sold it for £520,000 after selling expenses. “I gave Helen £470,000, Helen wanted me to keep £50,000 and described it as ‘play money’ to spend.”[/I]

would be interesting to know exactly how much his expenses amounted to

If he paid 2% then that would be about £10K but would not surprise me if he managed to get a cheaper deal


http://hoa.org.uk/advice/guides-for-homeowners/i-am-selling/how-much-should-i-pay-the-estate-agent/

 

[cottonweaver]

Can well believe that. And no doubt Diane's family would not want to over ride the wishes of the grieving widower and organise a notice themselves.

Ok we all agree he is a total scrooge BUT if you had committed this heinous deed would you really want to make your subsequent actions stand out in this way? ( I'm just wondering, am unsure.)

thinking aloud:
OK let's say you're all correct and he didn't put the basic notice in the paper ( just like he doesn't care what others thought by running around with new women in 2010 and offing to Palma 2016 etc ) would you not, if you were sister WB- L, put a notice in yourself or a memoriam* 12 months on ?

what date did WBL start the FB page - was that a substitute for * then?

So frustrating this.
How would all her friends be informed about the cremation venue and service? Loads attended. ( Word of mouth?)

 

[JudgeMental]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...-boris-killed-author-disappearance-believable
She wrote in her final book: "We called the pup Boris, after Boris Johnson, because a picture in the London Evening Standard of BJ scowling looked just like our wrinkly-faced, flat-nosed Boris in the newborn photographs the breeder has emailed."

BBM

Hurrah! Rachel Johnson manages to get one fact right.

 

[cottonweaver]

Color Purple

wikipedia says the same as your link.

So basically we still have to conclude she did have an epilepsy ( of some kind) diagnosis at some point in her life.

 

[Cherwell]

Do we actually know from a trustworthy source what was on Diane's DC as cause of death?

 

[jessie]

This is from an o/p = lost the original post now sorry. Would assets passed to surviving spouse be recorded? I m not clear on probate but believe it refers to assets in the deceased spouse's name only, ie savings accounts, ISAs etc.

Unusually, there is no record of a will or a grant of probate having been made in Diane Stewart’s name.

Just wondering if the £40 k or so still to be claimed from Diane's estate would in fact necessitate probate? Could this be the reason IS has not yet accessed that fund, or am I searching for unnecessary reasons?

 

[Interested Bystander]

Wow,

I hadn't realised that what was on Dian'es death certificate didn't actually mean she'd had an epileptic fit.Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy (SUDEP) is just a term for no obvious cause of death being found...in somebody who already had epilepsy.

It normally happens during the night when the patient is asleep.


The definition of SUDEP.

If someone with epilepsy dies suddenly and unexpectedly, and no obvious cause of death can be found, it is called sudden unexpected death in epilepsy (SUDEP).
https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/sudep-sudden-unexpected-death-in-epilepsy

http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/impact/mortality/sudep/sudep-faq

What causes SUDEP?
No one knows what causes SUDEP, but many areas are being looked at. SUDEP occurs most often at night or during sleep and the death is not witnessed, leaving many questions unanswered. There may be evidence that a person had a seizure before dying, but this isn’t always the case.

I think Diane died in the afternoon, didn't she?

 

[ColourPurple]

Do we actually know from a trustworthy source what was on Diane's DC as cause of death?

The Times said they've seen it and it was Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy. Which apparently just means no obvious cause of death (when the person already has epilepsy)

 

[ColourPurple]

Color Purple

wikipedia says the same as your link.

So basically we still have to conclude she did have an epilepsy ( of some kind) diagnosis at some point in her life.

Yes it looks as if she did, "or IS said" she did have epilepsy but there was basically no known cause of death. It looks like the fact that she had epilepsy makes them term it Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy

Had she not had epilepsy presumably it would have just been termed a sudden unexplained death.

 

[ColourPurple]

http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/impact/mortality/sudep/sudep-faq

What causes SUDEP?
No one knows what causes SUDEP, but many areas are being looked at. SUDEP occurs most often at night or during sleep and the death is not witnessed, leaving many questions unanswered. There may be evidence that a person had a seizure before dying, but this isn’t always the case.

I think Diane died in the afternoon, didn't she?

Late afternoon I think.

I wonder if IS twisted it from "Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy" to "Sudden Unexpected Death FROM Epilepsy" and didn't want her family to see the death cert in case they notieced that subtle difference in wording.

 

[ColourPurple]

Another definition:

What is SUDEP?
Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy (SUDEP) is said to occur when a person with epilepsy dies unexpectedly and was previously in their usual state of health. The death is not known to be related to an accident or seizure emergency such as status epilepticus. When an autopsy is done, no other of cause of death can be found.

http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/impact/mortality/sudep/sudep-faq

 

[Cherwell]

This is from an o/p = lost the original post now sorry. Would assets passed to surviving spouse be recorded? I m not clear on probate but believe it refers to assets in the deceased spouse's name only, ie savings accounts, ISAs etc.

Unusually, there is no record of a will or a grant of probate having been made in Diane Stewart’s name.

Just wondering if the £40 k or so still to be claimed from Diane's estate would in fact necessitate probate? Could this be the reason IS has not yet accessed that fund, or am I searching for unnecessary reasons?

Yes, it would, provided she had made a will. There is an amount below which it's not necessary to obtain probate, but it's much lower then 40k.

If she died intestate then someone would usually apply for administration so that her estate could be wound up. If he hasn't done so, then I don't know if a member of her family could deal with it.

 

[Cherwell]

I wonder if IS twisted it from "Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy" to "Sudden Unexpected Death FROM Epilepsy" and didn't want her family to see the death cert in case they notieced that subtle difference in wording.

As somebody has mentioned, there's nothing to prevent them getting a copy of the DC.

 

[jessie]

Another definition:

What is SUDEP?
Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy (SUDEP) is said to occur when a person with epilepsy dies unexpectedly and was previously in their usual state of health. The death is not known to be related to an accident or seizure emergency such as status epilepticus. When an autopsy is done, no other of cause of death can be found.

http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/impact/mortality/sudep/sudep-faq

Interesting details: https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/sudep-sudden-unexpected-death-in-epilepsy


What is my risk of SUDEP?

Like cot deaths, no one can say whether or not a person is in danger of SUDEP. But there is evidence that the risks are different for different groups of people.

If you have epilepsy, your risk is 1 in 1000
If you have frequent tonic-clonic seizures, you have an increased risk, particularly if they happen during sleep
If you are being considered for epilepsy surgery, you are considered to be at increased risk
If you have a drug or alcohol problem, your risk is higher than someone who doesn’t have these problems
If you have had a recent epilepsy-related injury or are being treated for depression, you are at increased risk
If you have absence or myoclonic seizures, you are not known to be at increased risk
If you have very few seizures, you are at a lower risk, but still at risk
Ways to reduce the risks of SUDEP if you have epilepsy

Seizure control

The most effective way to reduce the risk of SUDEP is to have as few seizures as possible.

If your seizures are not controlled, here are some ways to manage your epilepsy:

Always take your epilepsy medicines exactly as prescribed
Never stop taking your epilepsy medicines, or make changes to them, without talking to your doctor first
Make sure you never run out of your epilepsy medicines
Ask your epilepsy specialist or epilepsy nurse in advance what you should do if you ever forget to take your epilepsy medicines
Ask to be referred to an epilepsy specialist for a review of your epilepsy. They may be able to suggest changes to your epilepsy medicines, or other treatment options, which may include surgery
Try not to sleep on your stomach as recent research suggests that people with epilepsy who sleep on their stomach may be at higher risk of SUDEP

 

[ColourPurple]

As somebody has mentioned, there's nothing to prevent them getting a copy of the DC.

Yes the Times got a copy but the family may not have realised how easy it was.

The "in epilepsy" rather than "from epilepsy" description does explain his description of her death in court too.He talked all about Diane's history of epilepsy but avoided saying that epilepsy klilled her. He left it for people to assume that themselves.

 

[KarenUK]

can you believe it



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4259968/RACHEL-JOHNSON-Helen-Bailey-s-killer.html

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, and oldie but always true! So unlike the Mail to make something up, hey :laughing:

 

[ColourPurple]

Interesting details: https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/sudep-sudden-unexpected-death-in-epilepsy


What is my risk of SUDEP?

Like cot deaths, no one can say whether or not a person is in danger of SUDEP. But there is evidence that the risks are different for different groups of people.

If you have epilepsy, your risk is 1 in 1000
If you have frequent tonic-clonic seizures, you have an increased risk, particularly if they happen during sleep
If you are being considered for epilepsy surgery, you are considered to be at increased risk
If you have a drug or alcohol problem, your risk is higher than someone who doesn’t have these problems
If you have had a recent epilepsy-related injury or are being treated for depression, you are at increased risk
If you have absence or myoclonic seizures, you are not known to be at increased risk
If you have very few seizures, you are at a lower risk, but still at risk
Ways to reduce the risks of SUDEP if you have epilepsy

Seizure control

The most effective way to reduce the risk of SUDEP is to have as few seizures as possible.

If your seizures are not controlled, here are some ways to manage your epilepsy:

Always take your epilepsy medicines exactly as prescribed
Never stop taking your epilepsy medicines, or make changes to them, without talking to your doctor first
Make sure you never run out of your epilepsy medicines
Ask your epilepsy specialist or epilepsy nurse in advance what you should do if you ever forget to take your epilepsy medicines
Ask to be referred to an epilepsy specialist for a review of your epilepsy. They may be able to suggest changes to your epilepsy medicines, or other treatment options, which may include surgery
Try not to sleep on your stomach as recent research suggests that people with epilepsy who sleep on their stomach may be at higher risk of SUDEP

Yet without the history of epilepsy Diane would have probably ended up with the same cause of death as Helen on her death certiticate "undetermined". Shame we'll never know what IS was searching on his computer before Diane died.

 

[pinklilies]

Helen's book P294 (Postcard From The Edge)

These words - continuing Helen's nightmares on Portugal holiday with IS - stuck with me. Poor Helen - this was not JS who she mistook in her dreams.

I only had one JS dream and it was very odd and totally different from the heart-hammering sort.
A man who looked either like a tramp or someone from ZZ Top (long hair, beard, unkempt) was in the dream.
If I could smell in my dreams, I would say he probably reeked of Special brew and pee. You get the picture.
At some point, I realised this was JS. He was talking and, though it sounded like him, it was the incoherent ramblings of someone clearly mentally unwell. I remember thinking 'He's gone nuts! ..........

And the smell she notices, it's not necessarily on the person.