GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

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“I emailed him the plans as proof but when I spoke to him about it he just scoffed and said ‘I don’t care what the law says’. After that we didn’t really have much to do with them and kept ourselves at a distance.

That quote from the neighbour where IS says ""I don't care what the law says", have I imagined it or did IS say something very similar previously? Not about the hedge/neighbour but somewhere else where he seemed to think the law didn't apply to him? That he was above the law?

ETA maybe I'm just thinking about the radio interview where once he stopped being treasurer he got annoyed at being asked to meet up to hand over stuff to the new treasurer, or him not paying the Bowls Club's bills straight away as instructed and the secretary having to chase him up to do it after getting 2 late payment reminders and saying he never paid anything until he had to.
 
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wikipedia says the same as your link.

So basically we still have to conclude she did have an epilepsy ( of some kind) diagnosis at some point in her life.

You can be diagnosed with epilepsy without the doctors ever seeing a seizure... My mother started having absence seizures but the doctors never saw one. She denied that there was any problem (she had no memory of the seizures afterwards). She had all kinds of tests and brain scans and stuff but they never found any problem.

Eventually she was referred to a neurologist and after my father and I described the episodes the neurologist said it could well be epilepsy, and said she would put my mother on anti-seizure meds and if the episodes stopped we would know it was epilepsy. They did stop. So I wonder if anyone else ever saw any of Diane's seizures...

Eta link about diagnosing epilepsy in the UK.

https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/diagnosis/diagnosing-epilepsy

an epilepsy specialist will make a diagnosis based mainly on your symptoms...

Take[e] someone who has seen your seizures, or a written description from someone who has seen your seizures, to your appointments..

The epilepsy specialist may arrange for you to have some tests at the hospital. These include EEG tests and CT or MRI scans. None of these tests can prove that you do or do not have epilepsy.

BBM.
 
There must have been an Inquest for Helen with the verdict Unlawful Killing? This is later than the death certificate, no wait I expect the Inquest has been out on hold till the Guilty verdict. They're so to speak a 'moveable feast' and coroners have too much work these days. I expect you all know that a coroner is a doctor who has additional qualifications in Law.


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If it's of any interest I was once (for many years) wrongly diagnosed with epilepsy despite protesting the diagnosis. I was given drug treatment that didn't work and it wasn't until I had a bad collapse while visiting my Mum on the Coronary Care Unit that it was realised that I DIDN'T have epilepsy but a heart disorder for which I now get the correct medication and regular checks. Diagnosis of epilepsy depends on the doctor AND family who witness seizures (my children were small) and cannot be 'proved' either way. With IS 'witnessing' I wouldn't be surprised if any blackouts Diane had were embroidered by IS. As I said it's often an ephemeral and subjective diagnosis. I also have Type 1 diabetes and blood cancer to complicate everything. I'm a scientist.


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Do we actually know from a trustworthy source what was on Diane's DC as cause of death?

Sunday Times?

"Relatives of Diane said he would not show them the death certificate even though the document, seen by The Sunday Times, states merely “sudden unexpected death in epilepsy” and “Verdict: natural causes”.
 
Late afternoon I think.

I wonder if IS twisted it from "Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy" to "Sudden Unexpected Death FROM Epilepsy" and didn't want her family to see the death cert in case they notieced that subtle difference in wording.

"... the document, seen by The Sunday Times, states merely “sudden unexpected death in epilepsy” and “Verdict: natural causes”.
 
Thanks Cherwell my knowledge based on a GP my old practice who studied law to become a coroner because he was sick of his job! Lol


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as we have a lot of people on the thread right now, I'm going to paste back up a portion of his evidence in chief ( day 1 only)

I have it to hand and fresh eyes and all that ....members here who have family with epilepsy etc


“My health got worse and worse, I ended up in bed for a week, I was diagnosed with glandular fever which meant I couldn’t take my first year of exams. “At the end of my second year I was top of the course. “I met Diane at the beginning of my third and final year. Diane was studying languages. “We met in the canteen and I stole a chip off her plate. That’s how we met”. Stewart’s voice breaks as he talks about how he met his late wife.

“I graduated with a first class honours and got the course prize. Diane had another three years to go of her studies. “I got a job in Hitchin working for computer process control. “I did miss being a student. I’d been to an interview at Cambridge University and went to study for a PHD in computer graphics. “The relationship with Diane continued at that time. “Once she completed her studies she moved to Cambridge and moved in with me. It didn’t go down well with her parents at the time. “We bought our first house together right in the centre of Cambridge.”

“We managed somehow to pay the mortgage - the deposit was paid by my compensation for my earlier accident. “I didn’t complete my PhD course, that is always one regret of mine. I was offered too difficult a job to turn down. “In 1985 Diane and I got married. We had a nice traditional wedding. We moved into a semi-detached house. “I began working for a small company that made systems for motor engine analysis. “I was working outside of Cambridge and needed a car. Before either of the lads were born I bought an MG. My interest in those type of cars continued until Jamie was born. “I got another job at a much bigger company, based in Shepreth, about 10 miles from Cambridge.

“Jamie was born in 1992, when I was still in Cambridge. “That didn’t go smoothly. Diane had had epileptic fits when she was about 16, during the pregnancy of Jamie she had very high blood pressure. “She was out shopping and had a fit then and there. I was called to hospital. “Jamie was not a natural birth, he was born by C section. It was a bit of a panic.”

“Diane then had another epileptic fit, she was in hospital, but the consequence of that was serious. “She was banned from driving for three years. She made up her mind that she wasn’t going to go back to work and was going to be a stay at home mum. “The main reason we moved to Bassingbourn was because we wanted more space. I then had less than a five minute drive to work. “We lived in a caravan whilst the house was being built on farmer’s land. “We had to borrow some money to buy the land.”

“During the work on the house I would find myself tired and unable to do anything quicker than my dad. “I realised something was wrong then (1994/95). “Oliver was born the same year, in May 1995. Diane was taking medication for epilepsy. “We moved into the house, it wasn’t finished but it was liveable. “I started to notice more and more things going wrong with my health. What really bought it to a head is that I was trying to hammer a nail in, and on the third bang my arm just wouldn’t move. “That’s what drove me to go to hospital. I was diagnosed almost instantly with Myasthenia gravis. “It is an auto-immune disease where the body is attacking itself. They gave me steroids. “A week later I was taken into intensive care because of the breathing problems. “The doctor’s don’t know what causes Myasthenia gravis - there is no known cure for it.”

“I was operated upon. That was my worst time ever in hospital. “Eventually I was discharged. “I was off work due to the tiredness and weakness. “With this [my illness] you just feel totally done in. “My muscles in my face sometimes don’t work, I have no idea when I’m smiling or not. “I have a more passive expression than most.”


Stewart said he later had a cancer scare, and was convinced to have another operation. “I went back into Papworth Hospital and had the same operation. Very annoyingly all it was was scar tissue. “It wasn’t cancer, thankfully. “Myasthenia gravis is quite rare, every time I end up in Addenbrooke’s Hospital they use me as a demonstration. Stewart said one of his lungs only has 60 per cent capacity, adding “compared to my other breathing problems that’s not good.”

Stewart was unable to return to work after severe attack

Stewart also said effectively he only has one vocal chord as a result of complications with his operations. “I’ve been in intensive care five or six times. Generally, I was down there because they’re so concerned. “I went back to work and we went on holiday. I had a severe attack and ended up in intensive care in France. “I was flown back to Addenbrooke’s and was in intensive care there for a while. “Following my discharge from there I never went back to work again on advice from the doctors. “It’s not known what brings my Myasthenia gravis on.”

“I’ve had a blue (disabled) badge when driving for 18/19 years. “Sadly Diane died on June 25, 2010. “I was left in charge of the two boys. They were 18 and 15 at that time. “I was given a book on how to cope and deal with grief from a bridesmaid at Diane’s wedding. “In the book was also a website name for a forum for widows and widowers to share their feelings. “It was a very open forum and it was very good. “I went to an event in London, 30 of us shared experiences of grieving face to face.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12566970

proviso - we know we can't trust a word this oaf says...
 
"... the document, seen by The Sunday Times, states merely “sudden unexpected death in epilepsy” and “Verdict: natural causes”.

I know I just wondered if he'd twisted the wording from "in epilepsy" to "from epilepsy" to Family to make it sound like she'd died of an epileptic fit rather than dying from unknown causes whilst having epilepsy. Diane's sister is quoted on the facebook tribute page as saying she died from an "Unexpected Epileptic fit"
 
Sorry about personal details, didn't want anyone to think I'm 'doing
An Ian Stewart'!


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If it's of any interest I was once (for many years) wrongly diagnosed with epilepsy despite protesting the diagnosis. I was given drug treatment that didn't work and it wasn't until I had a bad collapse while visiting my Mum on the Coronary Care Unit that it was realised that I DIDN'T have epilepsy but a heart disorder for which I now get the correct medication and regular checks. Diagnosis of epilepsy depends on the doctor AND family who witness seizures (my children were small) and cannot be 'proved' either way. With IS 'witnessing' I wouldn't be surprised if any blackouts Diane had were embroidered by IS. As I said it's often an ephemeral and subjective diagnosis. I also have Type 1 diabetes and blood cancer to complicate everything. I'm a scientist.


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IS said she had her first epileptic fit at 16 (before she met IS) so her family would at least know if this was true. I just think he found a lucky loophole that if somebody with epilepsy dies and no cause of death is found it is called sudden unexpected death in epilepsy which kind of writes it off as being releated to the epilepsy even if it wasn't. The question is would IS know a way to kill somebody that would leave no definite cause of death evident? He managed it with Helen but did he also manage it with Diane?
 
Yes he was probably well aware of the 'risks' she faced. I wonder did he ever do martial arts? I read something by a school fellow that IS did a lot of sports but then he was big enough to over power a woman.


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Thanks Cherwell my knowledge based on a GP my old practice who studied law to become a coroner because he was sick of his job! Lol

I just thought I'd clear it up because it does mean something different in the US, and with this site being US based there's a lot of scope for confusion :)
 
sheesh, so at same time 2012 , that BAir cadets are organising a charity run for Diane, he claims that he is offering HB Diane's old eternity ring

“Sometimes Helen was worried our relationship was going too fast. In the summer of 2012 we were seeing each other almost constantly. “In April she saw Diane’s jewellery box and asked if she could look at it. She picked up an eternity ring I got Diane in Greece. “That was a special ring for Diane. Helen said ‘would I mind if she put it on? So she did, she really liked it’. “I said would you like it? Maybe some people wouldn’t understand that. She said yes. “A few weeks later I decided I wanted Helen to marry me. We took her to a place with seven springs in Ashwell for a walk with the dog, on bended knee I asked if she would marry me, she said instantly yes, but she said she couldn’t get married yet and everything needed to feel right. “I gave her Diane’s eternity ring, which I had cleaned and engraved. It was two rings, and the diamond was between the two bands. “I’d had engraved on one band ‘BB’ and on another band ‘LB’ - as in Broad Bean and Live Bean.” Stewart breaks down in the witness stand as he said: “It was a way of continuing the love from Diane on to Helen. Helen never told anyone that I don’t think, because most people wouldn’t understand that. “There were no dates considered yet, the wedding was something that would happen in the future when she was ready.”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-trial-partner-ian-12573132

(BTW Alyce, BIB these dates tally with the "sudden/belated" joining of the memorial page we all are aware of. )


other snippet that's topical re Diane's money, will/unclaimed money etc ( ransom issue)
“I went on the holiday, it was a nightmare. I made out I enjoyed it but I was just laying in bed most of the time. “I tried to find out about power of attorney. I just wanted to get back.“I came back on June 24. There was no contact from Nick and Joe. “I thought about asking my dad for the money, I still had some money from Diane at that point.”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-ian-12578906
 
Wtf has Diane's obstetric history got to do with any of his evidence? Really!?


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Thanks CW

So

Diane had had epileptic fits when she was about 16, during the pregnancy of Jamie she had very high blood pressure. “She was out shopping and had a fit then and there. I was called to hospital. “Jamie was not a natural birth, he was born by C section. It was a bit of a panic.”....

“Diane then had another epileptic fit, she was in hospital, but the consequence of that was serious. “She was banned from driving for three years. She made up her mind that she wasn’t going to go back to work and was going to be a stay at home mum. ....

"Oliver was born the same year, in May 1995. Diane was taking medication for epilepsy. ....

Sadly Diane died on June 25, 2010. “I was left in charge of the two boys.


So we have Diane having epilepsy at 16, a "fit" when having high blood pressure during Jamie's pregnancy(pre eclampsia?) around 91/92? . Another fit in the hospital that meant she was banned from driving for 3 years (sounds more like epilepsy). By 1995 Oliver is born and Diane is taking medication for epilepsy...

THAN FAST FORWARD FIFTEEN YEARS and Diane died in 2010
 
Sorry about personal details, didn't want anyone to think I'm 'doing
An Ian Stewart'!


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Would never think that!! Hope you're getting along ok. From my short experience, contributions here are "informed" (as they say) by a wide range and depth of experiences.

One of the boys in my son's year at secondary school died in the night with what was seen as a first ever epileptic fit. I'm mindful that a number of young" healthy" people (often young men playing football) collapse and may die with undiagnosed heart problems, so I'm sure there may be an overlap.

I do find the seeming lack of death notices strange given Diane's role in the local community; many people do a national and a local, with different relatives writing variations. Did IS really "block" these?
 
IS said she had her first epileptic fit at 16 (before she met IS) so her family would at least know if this was true. I just think he found a lucky loophole that if somebody with epilepsy dies and no cause of death is found it is called sudden unexpected death in epilepsy which kind of writes it off as being releated to the epilepsy even if it wasn't. The question is would IS know a way to kill somebody that would leave no definite cause of death evident? He managed it with Helen but did he also manage it with Diane?

It's been suggested before, but if she DID have epilepsy and was taking medication for it, he could have tampered with it so that she wasn't actually getting the drug she needed.
 
Ah but Death Notices cost money! Maybe someone can check local papers' costs. Thank you for that #BlueMosaic. There's a 'Diane Stewart (Lem) memorial page' still on FB. Interesting that IS name was still on family FB after his conviction but the 'friend' option removed.


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