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No he doesn't need. He wants.
GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #8
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No he doesn't need. He wants.
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The defence is sounding desperate. We know IS didn't need the money - it was sheer greed! And the Crown does not need to explain why he did it any further than that. How does anyone explain the evil actions of a psychopath? Not sure Mr R F should have reminded the Jury about IS' first wife who also died tragically young... And the very fact he did not touch £43k of her money, that was his for the taking, strikes me as suspicious, not admirable!
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It came up in another case(where nobody but her carers had seen the missing lady in years) that they are in the process of moving everybody off disability living allowance and on to personal independence payments so yes he might well have received a letter to tell him he was going to be reassessed.
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Got the giggles here - I could tell from the angle of the photos that you weren't driving. But so sweet that peeps are fretting!
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Just carried this over as we are on a new page
On the day he is meant to have killed her he had £22,000 in the joint account'
We say this was Helen Bailey using Stewarts computer, because her desk was always cluttered and his laptop had the advantage of being plugged into that large screen.
He was either upstairs having a rest asleep, or he was asleep in the green chair.
This nonsense that Helen would have to be logging onto Stewarts computer sitting on his lap is ridiculous.
The prosecution are ignoring the physical evidence that the photographs of the house pick out.
If this man is a computer expert and is going to try to cover his tracks on his computer, surely this expert could have deleted the whole of his internet history so as not to leave any trace of any log in on his computer.
So Stewart has killed Helen for greed, out of money, and has changed the standing order.
On April 11, the day he is meant to have killed her, he had £22,000 in the joint account, let alone what is in his account.
He doesnt need further monthly transfers in.
There was no massive expenditure or change to spending patterns after her death'
Are there sudden massive withdrawals of money from the joint account after Helens death? No.
There is no different pattern of spending, no personal amounts removed, no transfers of money to his account.
Once the money goes in from Helens amended Barclays payment on May 9, are there any massive payments? No.
Only the Arsenal season tickets, which he thought only he could do in her name and using her card for their joint account.
This was to ensure continuity, and to ensure Helen wouldnt lose out on those season tickets.
Its hardly earth shattering expenditure.
Their life was more than going well, it was almost idyllic'
Financial gain is Stewarts sole motive, say the prosecution, and you may think its total rubbish.
Its not money, or greed, that you could properly conclude in any way as a motive that Stewart killed Helen Bailey.
Their life was more than going well, it was almost idyllic, youve seen the comfortable warm lovely home they had. Space for her, space for him, space for Boris, space for the boys, a big swimming pool.
Perfect for all their needs. He wouldnt want any of that without Helen Bailey.
And given the loss he suffered many are not fortunate to find again, the love of a good woman who, on the evidence, more than loved him.
The Crown say he is a predator, but he is no stalker searching for bereaved widows and seeking to get their money.
He was a widower himself.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181
On the day he is meant to have killed her he had £22,000 in the joint account'
We say this was Helen Bailey using Stewarts computer, because her desk was always cluttered and his laptop had the advantage of being plugged into that large screen.
He was either upstairs having a rest asleep, or he was asleep in the green chair.
This nonsense that Helen would have to be logging onto Stewarts computer sitting on his lap is ridiculous.
The prosecution are ignoring the physical evidence that the photographs of the house pick out.
If this man is a computer expert and is going to try to cover his tracks on his computer, surely this expert could have deleted the whole of his internet history so as not to leave any trace of any log in on his computer.
So Stewart has killed Helen for greed, out of money, and has changed the standing order.
On April 11, the day he is meant to have killed her, he had £22,000 in the joint account, let alone what is in his account.
He doesnt need further monthly transfers in.
There was no massive expenditure or change to spending patterns after her death'
Are there sudden massive withdrawals of money from the joint account after Helens death? No.
There is no different pattern of spending, no personal amounts removed, no transfers of money to his account.
Once the money goes in from Helens amended Barclays payment on May 9, are there any massive payments? No.
Only the Arsenal season tickets, which he thought only he could do in her name and using her card for their joint account.
This was to ensure continuity, and to ensure Helen wouldnt lose out on those season tickets.
Its hardly earth shattering expenditure.
Their life was more than going well, it was almost idyllic'
Financial gain is Stewarts sole motive, say the prosecution, and you may think its total rubbish.
Its not money, or greed, that you could properly conclude in any way as a motive that Stewart killed Helen Bailey.
Their life was more than going well, it was almost idyllic, youve seen the comfortable warm lovely home they had. Space for her, space for him, space for Boris, space for the boys, a big swimming pool.
Perfect for all their needs. He wouldnt want any of that without Helen Bailey.
And given the loss he suffered many are not fortunate to find again, the love of a good woman who, on the evidence, more than loved him.
The Crown say he is a predator, but he is no stalker searching for bereaved widows and seeking to get their money.
He was a widower himself.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181
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This couple loved each other, it's in the book'
Simon Russell Flint is now reading extracts from Helen’s book, When Bad Things Happen in Good Bikinis.
“This book is dedicated to my gorgeous grey haired widower, I love you, you are my life.
“This couple loved each other, it’s in the book. They were both seeking solace in bereaved groups and that’s how they met, but she contacted him.
“They were more than happy together - no one disputes this.”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181
BIB actually, what Helen wrote was You are my happy ending ...wonder why Mr RF changed the word ending to life. perhaps didnt want to remind us of Helen's most unhappy ending
Simon Russell Flint is now reading extracts from Helen’s book, When Bad Things Happen in Good Bikinis.
“This book is dedicated to my gorgeous grey haired widower, I love you, you are my life.
“This couple loved each other, it’s in the book. They were both seeking solace in bereaved groups and that’s how they met, but she contacted him.
“They were more than happy together - no one disputes this.”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181
BIB actually, what Helen wrote was You are my happy ending ...wonder why Mr RF changed the word ending to life. perhaps didnt want to remind us of Helen's most unhappy ending
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Snap . I was just wondering if Josie Edwards could be prompted to risk contempt of court and blurt that out .
(I jest)
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During these book extracts I presume IS is feigning tears again? Michelle will know.
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That's what I was thinking, it now reads to me as if IS drugged Helen with Zopiclone, (she didn't know why she was sleepy and it was worrying her) to make it easier for Nick and Joe to murder her!
(this is related to Squamous post about IS looking more guilty for mentioning zopiclone before the pathol. report)
(this is related to Squamous post about IS looking more guilty for mentioning zopiclone before the pathol. report)
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Defence tells court there were no signs of animosity
“Do you not think that if someone was plotting to murder their partner that there just might be some small sign or indication of that? “Animosity, dislike, presumably total hatred?
“There is nothing like that at all. With all the months of police probing, the questioning of everyone who knew Helen and Stewart, the examination of computer after computer, phone records, that that would have revealed the existence or some sort of evidence, some sort of complaint somewhere about the behaviour of the other?
“Two eyewitnesses who lived in the house with them, Stewart’s sons, gave evidence. The couple’s friends. Helen’s brother, her mother. “Not a single one says anything that would indicate any issue or tension.
“No losses of temper, shouting matches, screaming, tears, throwing things, nothing. “All that anybody reports is love, friendship, happiness.”
“Jamie Stewart said money was never an issue when they were growing up. He said Stewart loved Boris too.
“Alex McGarry said Helen and Stewart had a loving relationship.
“John Bailey, said he never heard Helen say a bad thing about Stewart.
“If Helen was going to confide in anybody, surely he would be the person.”
now he really is scraping the barrel - Alex said they had a loving relationship ???
what has Jamie's comment about money never being an issue when they were growing up have to do with Helen ?
Jamie was an adult by the time he met Helen , even more so by the time he moved into her house
“Do you not think that if someone was plotting to murder their partner that there just might be some small sign or indication of that? “Animosity, dislike, presumably total hatred?
“There is nothing like that at all. With all the months of police probing, the questioning of everyone who knew Helen and Stewart, the examination of computer after computer, phone records, that that would have revealed the existence or some sort of evidence, some sort of complaint somewhere about the behaviour of the other?
“Two eyewitnesses who lived in the house with them, Stewart’s sons, gave evidence. The couple’s friends. Helen’s brother, her mother. “Not a single one says anything that would indicate any issue or tension.
“No losses of temper, shouting matches, screaming, tears, throwing things, nothing. “All that anybody reports is love, friendship, happiness.”
“Jamie Stewart said money was never an issue when they were growing up. He said Stewart loved Boris too.
“Alex McGarry said Helen and Stewart had a loving relationship.
“John Bailey, said he never heard Helen say a bad thing about Stewart.
“If Helen was going to confide in anybody, surely he would be the person.”
now he really is scraping the barrel - Alex said they had a loving relationship ???
what has Jamie's comment about money never being an issue when they were growing up have to do with Helen ?
Jamie was an adult by the time he met Helen , even more so by the time he moved into her house
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...missed the first bit but if I think you mean on remarriage a reduction or cessation of pension. From the other side,I believe Cambridge University rewrote their pension terms a few years back to protect possibly elderly, slightly unworldly (not all, I know) academics from bequeathing all their (generous) pensions to spouses they'd not been married to for long.
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“John Bailey said he never heard Helen say a bad thing about Stewart."
“If Helen was going to confide in anybody, surely he would be the person.”
Disgusting to use JB in this way, and misses the point entirely.
“If Helen was going to confide in anybody, surely he would be the person.”
Disgusting to use JB in this way, and misses the point entirely.
Yes that is a recent case isn't it. I was following it on here but have got addicted to this case at the minute. It's very sad if it turns out that this lady died years ago and its only just been discovered that she is missing. And yes it does seem that the changes in disability benefits / reassessments has flagged this up.
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If Nick and Joe don't get there first...
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Why not give half to the boys as a deposit so they could buy a flat/small house each ?
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Defence says Ms Bailey was intelligent and perceptive yet she never voiced any concerns about Stewart
“Why in the numerous correspondence that we know Helen Bailey conducted, isn’t there a single reference to some unease or unhappiness in the way Stewart was towards her?
“Why is that, if there has been this plot or plan to kill her?
“This was not a short term relationship where he could have masked his true personality. You get to know someone, and Ms Bailey was a highly intelligent and perceptive individual.
“Do you believe she would not have, at some stage, seen an aspect of Stewart’s personality or of their relationship that would not have caused her to recall to someone?”
How can the murder of Helen be financially motivated if Stewart only needed to wait a couple of months and he could have been £1.5million or so better off?'
“She has written of him with a tenderness and an appreciation of his affection and support for her.
“He didn’t rush into a relationship with her. Yes it was physical within a month, but might Helen have been equally as eager for it to become an intimate relationship?
“Was it him jumping on her, or her jumping on him, or was it mutual?
“Stewart didn’t force her to sleep with him. There’s no suggestion of rape or pressure.
“Do you think Helen is someone who would have stood for that?
“Helen was someone who understood the difference between his character and her former husband John’s character.
“Stewart was giving her the time and space to move on.
“She wanted to buy a house and move in with him. She wanted to be in a relationship with her, and when he proposed to her she accepted with no hesitation.
“The two of them planned their wedding and future together.
“Is this picture presented to you one of the damaged relationship that you might imagine when someone plans to kill their partner? “How can the murder of Helen be financially motivated if Stewart only needed to wait a couple of months and he could have been £1.5million or so better off?”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181
“Why in the numerous correspondence that we know Helen Bailey conducted, isn’t there a single reference to some unease or unhappiness in the way Stewart was towards her?
“Why is that, if there has been this plot or plan to kill her?
“This was not a short term relationship where he could have masked his true personality. You get to know someone, and Ms Bailey was a highly intelligent and perceptive individual.
“Do you believe she would not have, at some stage, seen an aspect of Stewart’s personality or of their relationship that would not have caused her to recall to someone?”
How can the murder of Helen be financially motivated if Stewart only needed to wait a couple of months and he could have been £1.5million or so better off?'
“She has written of him with a tenderness and an appreciation of his affection and support for her.
“He didn’t rush into a relationship with her. Yes it was physical within a month, but might Helen have been equally as eager for it to become an intimate relationship?
“Was it him jumping on her, or her jumping on him, or was it mutual?
“Stewart didn’t force her to sleep with him. There’s no suggestion of rape or pressure.
“Do you think Helen is someone who would have stood for that?
“Helen was someone who understood the difference between his character and her former husband John’s character.
“Stewart was giving her the time and space to move on.
“She wanted to buy a house and move in with him. She wanted to be in a relationship with her, and when he proposed to her she accepted with no hesitation.
“The two of them planned their wedding and future together.
“Is this picture presented to you one of the damaged relationship that you might imagine when someone plans to kill their partner? “How can the murder of Helen be financially motivated if Stewart only needed to wait a couple of months and he could have been £1.5million or so better off?”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181
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