UK - Huge fire rips through Grenfell Tower, Latimer Road, White City, London, June 2017

[Hiandmighty]

I certainly haven't. The main brand of fridge implicated has been the Turkish-made Beko appliances. Significantly they are firmly at the budget end of the market so it's possible they're not as well made as more expensive ones.

To be fair, there have only been a few dozen cases to my knowledge despite millions of fridges in use.

Do you think this is a full size fridge, or likely a smaller compact one? Just trying to explore the idea that a fridge exploded innocently and caused an entire building to be engulfed in an inferno.

I'm truly not buying this or the exterior issue burning inward into apartments.

 

[wfgodot]

The Guardian’s graphics team has produced this flowchart mapping out the relationships between Grenfell Tower’s owners, managers, and contractors who were linked to its refurbishment project in 2016.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ore-fatalities-after-tower-block-blaze-latest

 

[Legally Bland]

It said on BBC radio news earlier that lots of parents in the area are reporting their kids upset after classmates failed to turn up to school.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Do you think this is a full size fridge, or likely a smaller compact one? Just trying to explore the idea that a fridge exploded innocently and caused an entire building to be engulfed in an inferno.

I'm truly not buying this or the exterior issue burning inward into apartments.

I really have no idea what size, or make, of fridge is being talked about. This might help:

http://www.ukfiretraining.com/news/fridge-freezer-fires.html

 

[wfgodot]

Guardian:

The police and fire minister, Nick Hurd, has promised the public inquiry will “leave absolutely no stone unturned”.
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Hurd indicated that a previously promised review of building regulations [promised eight years ago after the Lakanal House fire inquest] would not now be published until after the inquiry.

Pfft.

 

[Hiandmighty]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ty-fridge-started-Grenfell-Tower-inferno.html

Tons of info about how it spread

 

[Ironside]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ty-fridge-started-Grenfell-Tower-inferno.html

Tons of info about how it spread

The article posted this morning from the Daily Mail said it was a white man who packed his bags. I'll wait for the enquiry rather than believe all the rumours.

It's insane we still don't even know how many people have died at this stage. When it is announced it could be a huge shock.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

It's insane we still don't even know how many people have died at this stage. When it is announced it could be a huge shock.

It's been estimated that recovering all the bodies may take months and it's thought that some will never be identified. There is a significant problem with social housing tenants illegally subletting flats at a profit, especially in London, so while the council may believe that 2 people are living in a property there could be double that number. There's also problems with families moving extra family members in and thus overcrowding. And the bodies of some young children may simply have been completely destroyed - the LFB has apparently estimated the temperature of the fire at 1000 - 1200 degrees centigrade which is significantly above that achieved by a crematorium. Added to which is the fact that searchers have not even been able to access the flats on the top floors over safety concerns.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

A new article on fridge fires in the Telegraph:

In a controlled burn test conducted by the LFB, they found that a plastic backed fridge went up in flames after just 90 seconds and had to be extinguished after two and a half minutes because the fire was beginning to overwhelm the testing room.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/equipment/fridge-fire-hazard/

 

[Elainera]

It's been estimated that recovering all the bodies may take months and it's thought that some will never be identified. There is a significant problem with social housing tenants illegally subletting flats at a profit, especially in London, so while the council may believe that 2 people are living in a property there could be double that number. There's also problems with families moving extra family members in and thus overcrowding. And the bodies of some young children may simply have been completely destroyed - the LFB has apparently estimated the temperature of the fire at 1000 - 1200 degrees centigrade which is significantly above that achieved by a crematorium. Added to which is the fact that searchers have not even been able to access the flats on the top floors over safety concerns.

How are such high temperatures reached? Is this normal in a building fire?

And has it been said what the safety concerns regarding the top floors are? Is this where fire are still being battled, or is there concern over structural safety?

Sorry I have only questions :blushing: But you seem very knowledgeable so I gotta ask.

 

[Hiandmighty]

It sounds like a fire where temperatures are reached with an accelerant.

 

[Elainera]

It sounds like a fire where temperatures are reached with an accelerant.

Maybe the gas pipes leaked?

 

[Hiandmighty]

Maybe.

IMO this was not caused by a refrigerator explosion (whichever I have never heard of happening):

 

[Jax49]

After a tragedy many saw as preventable, London fire survivors vent their anger

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.f4ad9d25bd9c

Residents vented their anger Thursday over a fire that raced through a London high-rise and claimed 17 lives, even as concern grew that the blaze will not be the last such tragedy without dramatic changes to Britain’s public housing towers.

As others shouted for legislation requiring that Britain’s aging public high-rises be retrofitted with sprinkler systems and multiple stairwells – both of which were lacking at Grenfell Tower – Khan said he shared their frustration, and called for a government inquiry into the blaze to publish its initial findings by the end of the summer.

“I really hope the number of fatalities does not reach triple figures,” said London Police Cmdr. Stuart Cundy.

 

[human]

no, I mean has anyone experienced this themselves? Or a friend?

Not a frig, but a dryer fire cuz a belt broke. Never run your dryer while sleeping. Also, dishwashers starting on fire. I had a very high end dishwasher that apparently starts on fire. I found that out when I was looking for a replacement part on the net. Never wash dishes while sleeping.

I know nothing of a frig.

I had a mice problem in my home. I stuffed holes such as around pipes that came in from the basement with steel wool.

My son had a fit. He said steel wool burns easily. I did not believe him. Yup. It does,

There are so many things made out of cheap plastic. They are just like gasoline

 

[gregjrichards]

Maybe the gas pipes leaked?

Tenants were complaining the gas pipes weren't boxed in on the landings which will have made the situation worse.

 

[Ironside]

Not a frig, but a dryer fire cuz a belt broke. Never run your dryer while sleeping. Also, dishwashers starting on fire. I had a very high end dishwasher that apparently starts on fire. I found that out when I was looking for a replacement part on the net. Never wash dishes while sleeping.

I know nothing of a frig.

I had a mice problem in my home. I stuffed holes such as around pipes that came in from the basement with steel wool.

My son had a fit. He said steel wool burns easily. I did not believe him. Yup. It does,

I can't sleep or leave my flat if anything is even left plugged in (fridge and wifi excluded). I feel this is a good policy.

I had no idea about steel wool being flammable. Your son sounds pretty smart.

 

[wfgodot]

Guardian:

The Guardian view on Grenfell Tower: Theresa May’s Hurricane Katrina

 

[MsMarple]

I've been following this fire - once again we have a situation where not enough fire safety was in place. I followed the Oakland Ghostship fire too and the similarities are depressing; only one way out, smoke alarms either not going off or ringing softly, fire extinguishers that haven't been checked in years, cluttered exits. When will people (meaning people who are responsible for housing) learn?

I've also read in some articles that fire sprinklers failed to engage while other articles said there were no sprinklers. And, like the Ghostship, hazardous material - in this case most likely budget-cutting cladding insulation - spread the fire so quickly that it became impossible for firefighters to control it. 30 minutes! Finally, something that both fires had in common - people with limited income were housed in the buildings.

IMO I feel like those who aren't wealthy, or at least financially secure are relegated to the back of the line and are almost "throwaway" people. What will it take to make sure everyone is safe in their homes?

SMDH. Last I heard there were 17 confirmed deaths but I'm expecting to see that number rise in the next few days. I'm so sorry for the families that lived in Grenfell Tower. :tears:

 

[gregjrichards]

Scotland Yard launches criminal inquiry

Police have opened a criminal investigation into the tower block fire that has killed at least 17 people. A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said: “We have appointed a senior investigating officer.”

Police have said they are not yet in a position to define how the investigation will be carried out and what, specifically, will be its focus. But they said they hope to release more details soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ore-fatalities-after-tower-block-blaze-latest

Glad to see this #JusticeForGrenfell #JailThem