The fact that she was attacked, killed, put into the back of a car and VT was seen shopping shortly thereafter works in favour of VT having accidentally killed someone but it also suggests a calculatingly creative alibi (one he hopes will work). He even texted his girlfriend from the store to say nothing.
GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #15
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The fact that she was attacked, killed, put into the back of a car and VT was seen shopping shortly thereafter works in favour of VT having accidentally killed someone but it also suggests a calculatingly creative alibi (one he hopes will work). He even texted his girlfriend from the store to say nothing.
Bare with me ... I get some facts wrong ... but I thought I read that she waved to him through the window to come in. He did. She offered him a drink and turned the oven on for pizza. They sat down (and I thought the couch) and he, misreading the situation, leaned in to kiss her, she screamed and 20 seconds later she was dead. He's suggesting that she was sitting so close to him that he was able to put his arm around her and - upon screaming - he was able to put his other hand over her mouth. They would have had to be sitting very close such that she couldn't pull away from his arm around her back. I think that the only way a woman could be over-powered by a stranger with one hand behind her back and the other across her mouth is if she is completely caught off guard. If she was facing him and he was leaning in to kiss her, I doubt a scream would be her first reaction. She would pull away before he could get his arm around her if she didn't want him to misread the situation - which clearly she didn't.
I did read about her underwear on the pedestal and that the pedestal was broken. I assumed that it wasn't completely broken because how else could the underwear be sitting on it. He had three days to deal with the evidence and conceal his crime.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...oat-for-20-seconds-to-stop-her-screaming.html
They included a pair of Jo's briefs which were on top of a green plastic pedestal which had been chipped
Mr Reardon noticed two broken pieces of plastic on a green pedestal in the hallway, with a pair of Jo's briefs on top.
He told the court that this was not the normal place they would be kept.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onds-stifle-scream-arm-her.html#ixzz1bJKak8dh
Forgive me for asking this but - if JY had been menstruating at the time - would it have been reported? or out of respect/dignity would they have left this detail out in reporting?
Sorry I wasn't having a go - I was just interested as I don't think it's been stated yet where in the flat this took place. He'd been in the flat 10 minutes. Were they still in the hall? Had they gone and sat on the couch? The flat had two couches. I wouldn't think he'd have sat right next to her either.
Here's another floor plan. I believe it is also from the Dailymail.uk, but I can't be certain anymore. It was one of the two main newspapers reporting on the case at the beginning.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...¤t=yeatesactualfloorplan3Dnewspaper.jpg
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Vincent Tabak called to the witness box
Tabak takes his oath with thick Dutch accent. He gives full name.
He says he was brought up in small town and is 33 years old. He left school at 18.
He lived with his parents, three sisters and a brother
Tabak went to university to study architecture for seven years. He left with a masters degree.
Tabak then went on to do a PhD at the same university. He researched the behaviour and movement of people in buildings.
After leaving Eindhoven University Tabak got a job in Bath in September 2007. He was fluent in English.
His job was a "people flow analysis". He worked in Bath until his arrest.
Court hears how Tabak did not have a girlfriend in Holland. He met Tanja Morson on line via Guardian Soulmates
Tabak and Ms Morson decided to live together and moved to Canynge Road in 2009
Tabak tells the court that the flat was well insulated for sound and it was hard to hear someone in another flat.
Tabak is asked if he wears a watch - he does not.
Tabak says he did not know his neighbours Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon by name.
Vincent Tabak called to the witness box
Tabak takes his oath with thick Dutch accent. He gives full name.
He says he was brought up in small town and is 33 years old. He left school at 18.
He lived with his parents, three sisters and a brother
Tabak went to university to study architecture for seven years. He left with a masters degree.
Tabak then went on to do a PhD at the same university. He researched the behaviour and movement of people in buildings.
After leaving Eindhoven University Tabak got a job in Bath in September 2007. He was fluent in English.
His job was a "people flow analysis". He worked in Bath until his arrest.
Court hears how Tabak did not have a girlfriend in Holland. He met Tanja Morson on line via Guardian Soulmates
Tabak and Ms Morson decided to live together and moved to Canynge Road in 2009
Tabak tells the court that the flat was well insulated for sound and it was hard to hear someone in another flat.
Tabak is asked if he wears a watch - he does not.
Tabak says he did not know his neighbours Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon by name.
VT certainly couldn't have been passing by the front window - not legtimately. Was it the kitchen or bedroom window? Why would VT be walking in front of either the kitchen window or the bedroom window and, if so, would Joanna really wave in a dark figure walking past a window when there is really no reason for anyone to be walking past either window?
Imagine how dark this path would have been at 9 PM near Christmas ... and we are to believe that Joanna saw VT, in his dark coat, outside the window and waved him in even though he did not even know her name.
Imagine how dark this path would have been at 9 PM near Christmas ... and we are to believe that Joanna saw VT, in his dark coat, outside the window and waved him in even though he did not even know her name.
They met online. How about that.
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#Tabak says he and his girlfriend were constantly calling and texting each other when they were apart.
Tabak now being asked about 17th December - the day #joannayeates died.
Tabak and his girlfriend texted each other on the morning of 17th December when Tanja was on the way to work.
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VT is crying in the witness box
How predictable... Bit too late for displays of emotion, Vincent...
#Tabak says he and his girlfriend were constantly calling and texting each other when they were apart.
Tabak now being asked about 17th December - the day #joannayeates died.
Tabak and his girlfriend texted each other on the morning of 17th December when Tanja was on the way to work.
rupertevelyn
VT is crying in the witness box
How predictable... Bit too late for displays of emotion, Vincent...
Kitchen window. Apologies for brevity but I'm reading the tweets from today's trial - VT is giving evidence
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His voice quietens. The judge asks him to repeat himself when answering a question about Tanja text mentioning their 'love'
Tabak says he would routinely access the internet for weather reports using BBC weather feed
17th started as 'perfectly ordinary day like any other'? 'yes' confirms VT
VT was working on a very very big project on the holy mosque in mecca. Working on the flow of pilgrims there
Jo's mother and father mostly looking down towards the floor.
Tanja went to a work party at Dyson near Malmesbury the night VT killed Jo Yeates
defence running through VT's journey home that night arriving home 'shortly after 7'. Tanja had already left when he got home
'love you 2. Hopefully party is more lively, missing you. xx' text from VT to Tanja after he got home
having got home VT went out for a couple of minutes. He thinks after he sent the text at about 7.15
He went outside for quick walk. He wanted to take pics of clifton in the snow. He'd just come back from sunny LA
He says he didn't take any photos and it was not as photogenic as he was hoping
VT holding on to both sides of the witness box. He's slightly hunched leaning forward.
once home he made himself some dinner, watched tv and had a beer.
His voice quietens. The judge asks him to repeat himself when answering a question about Tanja text mentioning their 'love'
Tabak says he would routinely access the internet for weather reports using BBC weather feed
17th started as 'perfectly ordinary day like any other'? 'yes' confirms VT
VT was working on a very very big project on the holy mosque in mecca. Working on the flow of pilgrims there
Jo's mother and father mostly looking down towards the floor.
Tanja went to a work party at Dyson near Malmesbury the night VT killed Jo Yeates
defence running through VT's journey home that night arriving home 'shortly after 7'. Tanja had already left when he got home
'love you 2. Hopefully party is more lively, missing you. xx' text from VT to Tanja after he got home
having got home VT went out for a couple of minutes. He thinks after he sent the text at about 7.15
He went outside for quick walk. He wanted to take pics of clifton in the snow. He'd just come back from sunny LA
He says he didn't take any photos and it was not as photogenic as he was hoping
VT holding on to both sides of the witness box. He's slightly hunched leaning forward.
once home he made himself some dinner, watched tv and had a beer.
Was there only one path? I want to know what window ... kitchen?
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So possibly he was aware of her comings and goings and that her boyfriend had gone away?
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yes otto.
Ah the all important time
Rupertevelyn
Looks like Rupert Got the time wrong
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Jo would have returned home at about 8.40pm. Tabak drove away from the flats at 10.13pm
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Tabak's lawyer tells him that Joanna did not get back to her flat until about twenty to nine. And that Tabak drove away at 10.13pm
Rupertevelyn
Looks like Rupert Got the time wrong
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Jo would have returned home at about 8.40pm. Tabak drove away from the flats at 10.13pm
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Tabak's lawyer tells him that Joanna did not get back to her flat until about twenty to nine. And that Tabak drove away at 10.13pm
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VT says he ate a pizza for supper that night. It was pre-prepared from a supermarket not one he made himself.
VT says he decided to go out again because it was lonely without tanja he did not want to stay home all evening. He decided to go to Asda
he was going to go 'by car' his car was 'on the street'
Are you able to say what time it was as you left your flat? 'no, not exactly' he says
Jo Yeates didn't get back to her flat until 8.29 or thereabouts says Clegg
"missing you loads it's boring here without you. V xx" - VT says he sent this text before he decided to go to Asda
VT says he stayed in his flat until 9.25. he says he left his flat within minutes of sending the text
VT now talking about leaving his flat 'taking my usual route past flat1'
VT says he ate a pizza for supper that night. It was pre-prepared from a supermarket not one he made himself.
VT says he decided to go out again because it was lonely without tanja he did not want to stay home all evening. He decided to go to Asda
he was going to go 'by car' his car was 'on the street'
Are you able to say what time it was as you left your flat? 'no, not exactly' he says
Jo Yeates didn't get back to her flat until 8.29 or thereabouts says Clegg
"missing you loads it's boring here without you. V xx" - VT says he sent this text before he decided to go to Asda
VT says he stayed in his flat until 9.25. he says he left his flat within minutes of sending the text
VT now talking about leaving his flat 'taking my usual route past flat1'
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