GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #4

[mikeymot]

I'd watched this recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd6rUo7Htso
I did once offer, in print, to eat my fez depending on a certain sporting outcome. Fortunately I didn't have to.

I think (in theory) the offer is commendable...but I will eat a chocolate eclair if I'm wrong! ....that way...don't really care either way!

 

[Robin Hood]

YEs, this is inciteful. My answer to this is that they took the cadaver dogs to the flat immediately given that she might have been gone for over 48 hours, it would have been irresponsible not to. They all knew she was dead, but just couldn't find the body.

P.s I'm haunted by the 'Debbie' comments on facebook. They resonate. This for me is much, much more likely. I think Professor Wilson is wrong. There is a pair of killers operating which need catching.

Thank God somebody is listening to me...a reasonable scenario without the embellishments..

 

[MrZhivago]

(I just read this idea elsewhere, so can't take credit it for it although I find it compelling):
Perhaps the police came round Friday night when alerted to a missing person *because of the address*.

I think we need some good reason. Yes, she hadn't been home for a while according to the standard theory, but we still need something more for the police not to come round that night, I think

 

[MrZhivago]

Thank God somebody is listening to me...a reasonable scenario without the embellishments..

These cadaver dogs can't just be brought round swiftly, I'm sure.
I'm given the impression that they're a couple of highly unionised pooches that will only work a few days of the month and don't get out of bed for less than £15,000.
Seriously, though, they are a highly, highly specialised tool (only a few of them in existence) and a police force, still more one in the sticks, can't just get them in at a trice.
If they were used, I can't imagine it being before the Monday *at the very, very earliest*.
And anyhow, most people's theories here seem to imagine that the body wasn't at 44 for more than a very brief time [if indeed the kill happened there], on which basis there'd be no cadaverine at the site anyway.

 

[mikeymot]

(I just read this idea elsewhere, so can't take credit it for it although I find it compelling):
Perhaps the police came round Friday night when alerted to a missing person *because of the address*.

I think we need some good reason. Yes, she hadn't been home for a while according to the standard theory, but we still need something more for the police not to come round that night, I think

Yes, I posted earlier that, maybe Jo dialled 999 on the Friday night (either because she was being attacked...or because she was frightened of something/someone) but she was cut off before she could complete the call (by the perp)..knowing that the police would probably trace the call and turn up...they moved her body? This would clearly explain why they acted so swiftly on the Sunday night...when called by Jos' parents? If this is possible...and the contents of the 999 call were repeated to G/R and parents...would fully explain why all so upset at the first appeal.

 

[mikeymot]

These cadaver dogs can't just be brought round swiftly, I'm sure.
I'm given the impression that they're a couple of highly unionised pooches that will only work a few days of the month and don't get out of bed for less than £15,000.
Seriously, though, they are a highly, highly specialised tool (only a few of them in existence) and a police force, still more one in the sticks, can't just get them in at a trice.
If they were used, I can't imagine it being before the Monday *at the very, very earliest*.
And anyhow, most people's theories here seem to imagine that the body wasn't at 44 for more than a very brief time [if indeed the kill happened there], on which basis there'd be no cadaverine at the site anyway.

They are welcome to use my bunch for free....don't know about sniffing out a dead body...but they can suss food a mile away....would certainly pinpoint the pizza!

On a serious note...how can anyone (who really cares) charge £15,000 a go to 'sniff out' some poor parents daughter???????

 

[Robin Hood]

These cadaver dogs can't just be brought round swiftly, I'm sure.
I'm given the impression that they're a couple of highly unionised pooches that will only work a few days of the month and don't get out of bed for less than £15,000.
Seriously, though, they are a highly, highly specialised tool (only a few of them in existence) and a police force, still more one in the sticks, can't just get them in at a trice.
If they were used, I can't imagine it being before the Monday *at the very, very earliest*.
And anyhow, most people's theories here seem to imagine that the body wasn't at 44 for more than a very brief time, on which basis there'd be no cadaverine at the site anyway.

I agree, very expensive, but the team has over 70 officers working, where do you draw the line at expence, chasing leads, forensics, traffic cops, searches, cctv, door knocking, nights out in Bristol etc

 

[saggymoon]

They are welcome to use my bunch for free....don't know about sniffing out a dead body...but they can suss food a mile away....would certainly pinpoint the pizza!

On a serious note...how can anyone (who really cares) charge £15,000 a go to 'sniff out' some poor parents daughter???????

I think Mr Zhivago was exagerrating, I know from the Madeleine McCann case that 2 of the worlds top dogs were brought in, and the fee for their use was in the region of 400-500£ a day

EDIT my error
The Blood detecting dog was on £530 a day plus expenses
I couldn't find the fee for the cadaver dog but I doubt it's in the thousands

 

[Robin Hood]

They are welcome to use my bunch for free....don't know about sniffing out a dead body...but they can suss food a mile away....would certainly pinpoint the pizza!

On a serious note...how can anyone (who really cares) charge £15,000 a go to 'sniff out' some poor parents daughter???????

unfortunetly it's business, otherwise cops would work for free imo.

 

[Robin Hood]

I think Mr Zhivago was exagerrating, I know from the Madeleine McCann case that 2 of the worlds top dogs were brought in, and the fee for their use was in the region of 400-500£ a day (and that was for 2 dogs, perhaps it would be less if just one was used)

And the best said about the results there the better.

 

[scottybail]

Whodunnit

1. two killers
2. obsession, desire for affiliation between killers
3. 8pm
4. removed by perpetrators
5. body deposited christmas eve

Should be 9 pm! Oops

 

[mikeymot]

Am going to try and go down another 'avenue' re: theory.

What we know about Jo is that she was athletic, strong...and nobodys' fool. So, let's say she was scared on the Friday night...maybe after she arrived home. Who would she call? maybe G/R...maybe a friend or....(if scared enough) dials 999.

Was someone outside her flat?...inside her flat?..or invited back by her but she realised quickly..that there was something 'amiss' with this person. Whoever she called...the call was cut short. The police may already be in receipt of what was said to whom...and that is why they responded immediately on the Sunday evening. I honestly believe that the police knew something more ... on the Sunday night...and that is why they took Jos' parents call so seriously.

We...all of us...are 'amateur sleuths' and as such are not privvy to every piece of evidence.

Even though I KNOW that we are lacking numerous 'clues'...I still feel that we have something worthwhile to offer so....to some of you who have intimated that you cannot guess any further....KEEP ON GUESSING....sometimes, the lack of evidence allows us to explore with a more open mind than those who are 'bogged down' with information.

All W/S are trying their very best to solve this mystery...with the information at hand. Sometimes....more information can 'cloud' the issue...so I think that we have, perhaps, more chance of spotting obvious discrepancies than the L/E....solely because we have less information to 'sift' through.

Keep going guys...however futile it seems..the truth will out.

 

[Phillb]

so....to some of you who have intimated that you cannot guess any further....KEEP ON GUESSING....sometimes, the lack of evidence allows us to explore with a more open mind than those who are 'bogged down' with information.

It's not that we can't go any further (well from my point of view anyway)
I am genuinely begining to think this could be someone who hasn't been in the frame before, not even mentioned, and quite possibly the Police don't even know who it is. We can only go on what we know, and no one so far stands out enough for me.

An uneasy feeling of someone very calculating is behind this, the 4X4. possibly two people. It is begining to feel like a calculated abduction/sex attack, and not an a heat of the moment thing.
We need more developments, or snippets of info pronto methinks!

 

[scottybail]

It's not that we can't go any further (well from my point of view anyway)
I am genuinely begining to think this could be someone who hasn't been in the frame before, not even mentioned, and quite possibly the Police don't even know who it is. We can only go on what we know, and no one so far stands out enough for me.

An uneasy feeling of someone very calculating is behind this, the 4X4. possibly two people. It is begining to feel like a calculated abduction/sex attack, and not an a heat of the moment thing.
We need more developments, or snippets of info pronto methinks!

I agree. But we are in fact actively and forensically debating the prime suspects. Many aspects of this crime are now quite clear in my mind. GR's innocence. CJ's innocence. We're doing a good job actually. Lets keep it up!

 

[mikeymot]

It's not that we can't go any further (well from my point of view anyway)
I am genuinely begining to think this could be someone who hasn't been in the frame before, not even mentioned, and quite possibly the Police don't even know who it is. We can only go on what we know, and no one so far stands out enough for me.

An uneasy feeling of someone very calculating is behind this, the 4X4. possibly two people. It is begining to feel like a calculated abduction/sex attack, and not an a heat of the moment thing.
We need more developments, or snippets of info pronto methinks!

Think I still believe what Dai Davies said...someone very close...tragic reason. Sometimes (in fact, very often) the obvious...is the truth.

I must say that, from the very outset of this case, I hoped the perp would be someone Jo knew...simply because I felt that she would be less frightened by a familiar...rather than a stranger.

 

[saggymoon]

I haven't completed the survey because I just don't know - only following this for a few days now but I would agree with all who put a time of 9pm because I believe the woman across the road at the party sneaking outside for a cigarette who heard two screams from the direction of the flats was correct, they were not screams from party revellers imo, no sounds of any party from what she said

Does make you wonder though that it hasnt been reported by any of the other tenants there, or neighbours, if they were in obviously, that they heard screams

 

[whitedove]

1. Who did it? Someone known to Jo.
2. What was the motive? Advances. to stop scream.
3. What was the time of death? 10pm to 12 midnight.
4. What happened to the pizza? Picked Jo up on road, pizza eaten at perpetrator's place.
5. When was the body was dumped? Fri 17th 10pm to midnight.

 

[mikeymot]

I haven't completed the survey because I just don't know - only following this for a few days now but I would agree with all who put a time of 9pm because I believe the woman across the road at the party sneaking outside for a cigarette who heard two screams from the direction of the flats was correct, they were not screams from party revellers imo, no sounds of any party from what she said

Does make you wonder though that it hasnt been reported by any of the other tenants there, or neighbours, if they were in obviously, that they heard screams

The only thing I am sure of...is that Jo knew her killer. But..everything else, who, why, when, where...are all now facts, sadly, becoming more elusive by the hour. I would really hope that if, this person known to Jo, can see what devastation they have caused to this family ... will have the compassion..and the decency..to confess.

 

[ruined detroit]

I reckon they should check if JY & GR got pizza delivered at all. Is it unusual for her to buy a pizza?

No offence, but if I was asked to someone's place for cider and pizza and turned up to find my host heating a Tesco's pizza in the oven I dare say I would be slightly annoyed. But not enough to kill.

 

[TulipaNoir]

I posted on this before, but it seems a long time ago, so here goes. What strikes me about the events of 20/12 is not so much the parents' statement, but the immediate police response. A missing 25 year old is going to be pretty low down the list of priorities at midnight on a sunday night, yet the response was immediate. We know the police turned up at the flat that night, and that someone was actively working the case at 4am. Now that is not a normal response to an adult not being home on a sunday night. I am convinced that Greg, or one of the parents, gave information to the police in that midnight call which was so serious that it provoked an immediate police resonse. And this was never at any stage handled as a missing person enquiry, right from the start there was a clear assumption of a worst case scenario. Something in the flat (missed by Greg?) alerted the parents, and was so serious that the police went into serious enquiry mode straight away. Well, that's my take on it anyway. And I think the parents said they had been told by the police not to say what had given them such concern? Can't find a link right now, sorry.

I think you make a lot of sense there. I think they knew she was at the least abducted. It also explains why both her parents and her boyfriend spoke about her in the past tense.