GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #5

[otto]

Mickey and Otto, I think the Police would have wanted the original plans regarding the small outbuilding at the end of the property. The one connecting 42 and 44 you can see on these old plans. It's obviously not there now, but they will have wanted to see if there was any void or false wall when the building was converted.

And great job with these models and plans Otto and guys. I half expect to see bricks and mortar next. Agreed there's some very clever work going on here.
I would go as far to say were putting the Police to shame lol

Is this the shed connecting the two buildings?

 

[teabreid]

To further back up my theory that Jo's body can't have been in Longwood Lane for 8 days, i've just checked on the depth of snow in Bristol for that Christmas week from the 18th. I have to say i'm more certain than ever her body hadn't lain there undiscovered for 8 days now.


It beggars believe the body was undiscovered in Longwood Lane for 8 days. There certainly isn't the 2' snow drifts i've been hearing about.
Anyone else still convinced she was dumped there on the Friday night the 17th Dec?

My dog-walking theories convinced me straight away that the body hadn't been there long before discovery, these pictures are conclusive, in my view.

Does anyone know whether it snowed on Christmas Eve where the body was found? I seem to remember that it did, but have lost the link.

 

[Phillb]

It's hard to say Otto. It looks to me like one half of the old outbuilding possibly survives. The part connected to P.S's place at 42. I think there looks to be a (wooden) shed further down in 44?

 

[gloriana]

Not directly linked to this case but interesting all the same.


[video=youtube;0kE9GuagWZU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kE9GuagWZU&feature=related[/video]

 

[Phillb]

My dog-walking theories convinced me straight away that the body hadn't been there long before discovery, these pictures are conclusive, in my view.

Does anyone know whether it snowed on Christmas Eve where the body was found? I seem to remember that it did, but have lost the link.

If you do a google search of images for 'Jo Yeates, Longwood Lane' You will see lots of different shots from different days. The shots taken on Christmas day show no new snow through the night (or there was very little, and it melted quick)
By Boxing Day the snow had gone for good!
http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=jo...=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1020&bih=578&sout=1

 

[ruined detroit]

Fantastic investigative work and speculation on this thread! Pictures of the snow are how I remember it. The dump on the 18th was quite significant I feel and helped the killer. A stroke of luck.

I think the police will come out of this as having made some mistakes, the most obvious one to me is allowing PS to drive his Merc to the station!!!

 

[Malaconotus]

It beggars believe the body was undiscovered in Longwood Lane for 8 days. There certainly isn't the 2' snow drifts i've been hearing about.
Anyone else still convinced she was dumped there on the Friday night the 17th Dec?

Yes. The police statement has was that the body had been on Longwood Lane "for several days"

There is a significant difference in elevation between the Broadmead area pictured and Longwood Lane, potentially leading to a very significant difference in snow depth. Broadmead is only 30m above sea level while Canynge Road is 70m. The entrance to the quarry on Longwood Lane is at 145m, and it sits on an east-west ridge above Long Ashton. Basically it's at the top of a steep hill. (note the 1 in 7 sign here on Providence Lane, just 200 yards from the quarry entrance... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&s...=glL3Hs6P3qwiZSvV84RxcA&cbp=11,157.39,,1,2.14) Cooling air from the south meeting arctic air from the north could produce a substantially heavier snowfall on the Ashton Court Estate than would be seen in the centre of Bristol.

The combination of the difference in altitude and the urban heat island effect would also mean the Ashton Estate could be significantly colder than the centre of Bristol.

I live just a couple of miles from the centre of a city but with a similar difference in elevation. I have known several inches of lying snow in my garden while the centre of the city has a rapidly melting sprinkling. Pictures of the centre of Bristol five miles from the deposition site are far from conclusive.

 

[Phillb]

Yes. The police statement has was that the body had been on Longwood Lane "for several days"

There is a significant difference in elevation between the Broadmead area pictured and Longwood Lane, potentially leading to a very significant difference in snow depth. Broadmead is only 30m above sea level while Canynge Road is 70m. The entrance to the quarry on Longwood Lane is at 145m, and it sits on an east-west ridge above Long Ashton. Basically it's at the top of a steep hill. (note the 1 in 7 sign here on Providence Lane, just 200 yards from the quarry entrance... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&s...=glL3Hs6P3qwiZSvV84RxcA&cbp=11,157.39,,1,2.14) Cooling air from the south meeting arctic air from the north could produce a substantially heavier snowfall on the Ashton Court Estate than would be seen in the centre of Bristol.

The combination of the difference in altitude and the urban heat island effect would also mean the Ashton Estate could be significantly colder than the centre of Bristol.

I live just a couple of miles from the centre of a city but with a similar difference in elevation. I have known several inches of lying snow in my garden while the centre of the city has a rapidly melting sprinkling. Pictures of the centre of Bristol five miles from the deposition site are far from conclusive.

I have to say I am really struggling to find any picture in Bristol and surroundings with more than a dusting of snow all Christmas week. I think the deepest I have seen is an inch so far. The three mile distance, and elevation at Ashton Court included.

Both pictures Longwood Lane, Ashton Court.
I can't see these 2' snow drifts deep enough to hide a body at all.

 

[mikeymot]

The door is on the ground level, so there are probably some stairs going down before entering the garden flat ... good point. I'll see if I can fit some stairs in. The front of the flat has windows, so this particular garden flat seems to be half under the ground - front to back.

Going off at a tangent to this plan....did I read somewhere that L/P has a garden flat next door?....would his flat be similar layout to Jos'...would his entrance be the other side of the hedge..or do you think the layout may be different? and NO Otto.....I don't expect you to 'knock up' more wonderful graphics! Also, does anyone know if there is a path through the hedge...or the back gardens to enable you to go from one property to the other without coming out into the road?

 

[enzeder]

Is this the shed connecting the two buildings?

This photo shows a wooden shed.

Police forensic specialists enter the flat of Joanna Yeates , the 25-year-old landscape architect who was found dead on Christmas Day after she went mssing, on January 1, 2011 in Bristol, England. Police have been granted extra time to question Christopher Jefferies, the 65-year-old landlord of Jo Yeates and who lived in the same building, on suspicion of her murder.
(December 31, 2010 - Photo by Matt Cardy/Getty Images Europe)

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/EqOFurheX4w/Key+Scenes+Jo+Yeates+Murder+Case/hgiZ7MEOX9o

 

[enzeder]

@Phillb - Lots of good pic's at below link showing the snow in the Longwood Lane area with the dates showing when each was taken.

Key Scenes From Jo Yeates Murder Case (107 Photos)
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/EqOFurheX4w/Key+Scenes+Jo+Yeates+Murder+Case

 

[Phillb]

1 bedroom ground floor flat to rent Clifton, 44 Canynge Rd BS8 3LQ

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html

 

[Phillb]

@Phillb - Lots of good pic's at below link showing the snow in the Longwood Lane area with the dates showing when each was taken.

Key Scenes From Jo Yeates Murder Case (107 Photos)
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/EqOFurheX4w/Key+Scenes+Jo+Yeates+Murder+Case

Thanks for the link, lots of pics as you say. There is a real lack of snow on them I notice.
I'm sure Mikey, and Otto can put the house photos to good use though

 

[mikeymot]

Fantastic investigative work and speculation on this thread! Pictures of the snow are how I remember it. The dump on the 18th was quite significant I feel and helped the killer. A stroke of luck.

I think the police will come out of this as having made some mistakes, the most obvious one to me is allowing PS to drive his Merc to the station!!!

Beamer

 

[teabreid]

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Detectives-link-cold-case/article-3105141-detail/article.html

Interesting article shows police discounting serial killer theory----

 

[Phillb]

Here's a good link for the model guys to play with
Turn any Google Earth building into a 3D model.

Not sure how you make these
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=edba441e60230319f513159a858b806d&prevstart=12

But you need this programme to do it.
http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/yourworldin3d/

I'm intrigued to see the results.

 

[Sweep the cat]

Thanks for the photos PhilB. There is a distinct lack of deep snow in the area where JY was dumped. I still have a feeling she was kept in cold storage for a time as the autopsy could not be done until the body had thawed.

Looking at the photos of GR at the roadside when laying the flowers, he is hidden behind JY family in nearly all of them. They all have arms around each other but I cannot see any arms around GR. I dont know if this means much but GR is very much at the back hiding his face and hands and showing very little emotion.

 

[Luna15]

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Detectives-link-cold-case/article-3105141-detail/article.html

Interesting article shows police discounting serial killer theory----

Police are refusing to reveal whether they believe she was killed inside the flat or elsewhere, and have not revealed the results of DNA tests on a half-drunk bottle of cider which had been left in the flat.

A police spokesman said: "The investigation team is following up a number of lines of inquiry which are best served by being undertaken away from the intense scrutiny of the media."

keeping their cards close to their chest.

 

[Malaconotus]

Going to leave this alone now ... unless we get more info

Window cleaner says that the window to the left of the door is the kitchen window here,... http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...8&set=a.130324710364795.22123.128719860525280

 

[brownbread]

"
“Often close friends or relatives simply cannot believe this person could be guilty and agree to give them an alibi. Even a few minutes can make all the difference.”

Just about say it all eh?

If the theory is the message is aimed at someone particular, already known to the police, who has already provided an alibi for a another person, accounting for their whereabouts at a particular time:

1) why would they send out a message via the media, rather than via direct questioning of the person involved? Doing it indirectly via the media would seem unnecessarily risky?

2) if we're thinking about someone specific, are we not led to believe there is other evidence available (card payments etc) that would mean that this persons' testimony isn't crucial in forming an alibi.

Much as would like to hope the police are closing the net on someone, it seems like a message sent more in hope than expectation.