GUILTY UK - Karen Buckley, 24, Glasgow, Scotland, 12 April 2015 - #1

[Clio]

Maybe there are two Alexander Pacteau's in Glasgow after all? Because I just realised the counterfeiter who told the court last year he only did it because he was unemployed and on disability benefits (after a 2011 accident) and too ashamed to tell family, can't be the same one in this case, who has apparently been a director and/or employed in a family courier firm since 2010? If it is the same one, it is strange.

The counterfeiter also told the court about a furniture business he set up when he was only 17, but didn't mention the odd fact he'd set it up as a .org website - isn't that just for charities? It's vanished now, anyhow, but it was up and running at one time as he complained about the hits dropping off.

http://m.stv.tv/news/west-central/2...to-alexander-pacteau-printing-fake-banknotes/

The Mirror think it's the same person

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-karen-buckley-who-last-5523951

 

[skibaboo]

Anybody having a lot of tech issues with Websleuths recently? Keep just getting a solid blue box that I can't type in rather than a white one that I can :thinking: I've gone to advanced reply to type this but it's irritating.

I'm not having any issues but check here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?53-Forum-Finesse You can ask there too

 

[cluciano63]

OT I have had that happen before. I log out, log back in and it usually fixes it.

 

[YidArmyRach]

If Karen WAS seen on video after leaving the apartment...surely police would say so, in order to ask for witnesses, by saying exactly where and when.

On the other hand, if there are so many cameras, the man in question should have been seen leaving again, carrying her, etc...

What if she didn't end up at his flat? Maybe she hasn't appeared on cctv on the route to his flat, but he has?

Perhaps something happened on the way there? Just a theory, but if you had killed someone outside of your home, and you knew there was cctv evidence showing you with that person, it might be an idea to claim they were at your flat, and had then left, as you would know there were be absolutely no evidence to prove foul play or link you to the crime (as you would know the evidence was elsewhere). By freely admitting that the person had been in your home, you are almost making yourself look like you have nothing to hide.

 

[Clio]

If Karen WAS seen on video after leaving the apartment...surely police would say so, in order to ask for witnesses, by saying exactly where and when.

On the other hand, if there are so many cameras, the man in question should have been seen leaving again, carrying her, etc...

I don't believe there is any CCTV of her leaving AP's place. In the press conference yesterday, the police stated that there is substantiated and unsubstantiated evidence or words to that effect. The substantiated evidence is that she was caught on CCTV walking with a man outside the nightclub. The unsubstantiated evidence is what AP has told them i.e that she went with him to his car and he drove her to his house and that she left his place at 4am and was fine at that point.

 

[ChuckieD]

I'm not having any issues but check here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?53-Forum-Finesse You can ask there too

Oh cheers, it's been happening for weeks now. Will check that out.

 

[YidArmyRach]

New article

Police divers have joined the search for an Irish student who went missing following a night out in Glasgow.

Karen Buckley, 24, from Cork, was seen leaving the Sanctuary nightclub with a man in the early hours of Sunday.

BBC Scotland understands he is 21-year-old Alexander Pacteau, who has been interviewed by police but is not being treated as a suspect.

Miss Buckley's bag was found in Dawsholm Park, close to Mr Pacteau's home, on Tuesday afternoon.
Specialist officers are carrying out a detailed search of the park, which is in the Kelvinside area of the city.
They are being supported by the Police Scotland helicopter, as well as the force's underwater unit, police search dogs and specialist crime division."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-32313895

Thanks everyone for your posts and updates

Anyone who has been following the Noah Thomas case will know that these can actually be very empty statements!

 

[Alyce]

When trying to find a correct timeline for this case, I noticed this on the official Scotland Police page:



Nothing about her getting into a car outside of the club, or being driven to the flat.

The only reference to a car is the one which was seen hours after she left the nightclub: “Also from our enquiries, we are keen to trace a grey car – no model or make at this time – which was seen on the country roads between Milngavie and Drymen between 11am and 3pm on Monday.

Has that information changed since the start of this investigation? As I'm sure I'd read about her getting into his car in the media? Or am I going mad?

here's the quote


On the CCTV footage from outside the club, Pacteau can be seen making his way across the road from the club.

Karen follows him and they make their way along Dumbarton Road and out of view of cameras.

Pacteau has told police they went to his car parked in nearby Church Street and he drove her to his home from there.


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/karen-buckley-live-updates-police-5522206

 

[Alyce]

I just realised, from posting the quote above - that there is no evidence, other than APs statement, that Karen actually got into his car at all

 

[Alyce]

Anybody having a lot of tech issues with Websleuths recently? Keep just getting a solid blue box that I can't type in rather than a white one that I can :thinking: I've gone to advanced reply to type this but it's irritating.

Anyhoo, I don't know if Karen is a smoker but a lot of clubs have a smoking area out the front so it's possible she went to the loo and then for a cigarette rather than left the club with the intention of going elsewhere. Sorry if that's already been mentioned.

I was just about to say no...when the system threw me out and lost my post !

 

[gregjrichards]

It's just a pity nobody seems to remember the car number plate for the car they are looking for it would have been a big help.

 

[Clio]

BBC Scotland understands he is 21-year-old Alexander Pacteau, who has been interviewed by police but is not being treated as a suspect.

Anyone who has been following the Noah Thomas case will know that these can actually be very empty statements!

BIB That's not exactly what the police said. They said he is not being treated as a suspect, at this stage

 

[Miranda]

In mitigation, the court heard it was his first offence and that he had suffered a car crash which left him in a coma for weeks and unable for six months.

He’s a young guy, lives with a flatmate

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/missing-karen-buckley-who-last-5523951

 

[Clio]

I just realised, from posting the quote above - that there is no evidence, other than APs statement, that Karen actually got into his car at all

Which is exactly what the police said in the press conference yesterday. The last bit of substantiated evidence they have, as of yesterday afternoon at least, is the CCTV sighting from outside the nightclub.

 

[skibaboo]

BBC Scotland News ‏@BBCScotlandNews 2m2 minutes ago
Forensic officers and police divers join efforts to trace missing student Karen Buckley http://bbc.in/1DGs8gm

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https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews

 

[skibaboo]

Joe Leogue ‏@JoeLeogue 1m1 minute ago Glasgow, Scotland
Divers have started searching the canal near where #KarenBuckley was last seen. Police say it is standard in missing person investigations.

https://twitter.com/JoeLeogue

 

[YidArmyRach]

It's just a pity nobody seems to remember the car number plate for the car they are looking for it would have been a big help.

I was wondering if police have deliberately withheld that information. Maybe they know exactly what car they think was involved, but actually need people to tell them the make and number plate, so the police can verify their statement - rather than giving out that information and then being unable to prove if people really had seen it. If that makes sense?

 

[Vicky7833]

What if she didn't end up at his flat? Maybe she hasn't appeared on cctv on the route to his flat, but he has?

Perhaps something happened on the way there? Just a theory, but if you had killed someone outside of your home, and you knew there was cctv evidence showing you with that person, it might be an idea to claim they were at your flat, and had then left, as you would know there were be absolutely no evidence to prove foul play or link you to the crime (as you would know the evidence was elsewhere). By freely admitting that the person had been in your home, you are almost making yourself look like you have nothing to hide.

I agree, but surely there must be truth to her being in the home - DNA after being together?
It is all very suspicious in my opinion. We are continuously being told the guy isn't a suspect... at this time. But they may have no contract evidence to say other wise as at the moment, "It's being treated as a missing persons case" and until they find her, they can't say it is murder investigation. So the guy cannot yet be arrested until they either find her alive or the most likely scenario That's just what I think but it's all such a tragedy, the poor family and friends.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I agree, but surely there must be truth to her being in the home - DNA after being together?
It is all very suspicious in my opinion. We are continuously being told the guy isn't a suspect... at this time. But they may have no contract evidence to say other wise as at the moment, "It's being treated as a missing persons case" and until they find her, they can't say it is murder investigation. So the guy cannot yet be arrested until they either find her alive or the most likely scenario That's just what I think but it's all such a tragedy, the poor family and friends.

If they found no DNA in his home, that would be odd.

I would love to know exactly what happened between her saying she was going to the toilet, to then leaving the club and walking off with this man. What made her suddenly leave like that - especially if she had never met him before? She is an intelligent and experienced lady, so it seems a very odd thing to do - especially if she wasn't drunk as her friends claim.

 

[skibaboo]

Jane Chilton ‏@JaneChiltonSky 1m1 minute ago
High Craigton Farm cordoned off by police between Drymen&Glasgow. #FindKaren #karenbuckley #missingstudent

https://twitter.com/JaneChiltonSky