Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #2 *ARREST*

[truthfinder34]

it does look like hes waiting for the cars to pass. most cars interior lights come on when a doors are open so he would have been visable to anyone passing.

 

[Chester]

Has anyone considered that Pawel and Libby already knew each other?

 

[Alyce]

Morning all.

Couple of thoughts before I start:

1, I'm not convinced the the Newland Avenue CCTV is the same car.
2, If the CCTV is a last ditch effort by Police to get say the cyclist before their time is up with suspect then wouldn't it be more useful to place the appeal on the mobile billboard etc locally?

Also the Hull Daily Mail are saying Police have to charge or release by 21:11 tonight? I thought this could be extended a further 24 hours if needs be or is it the Police will keep that in reserve for later use?

Possibly Hull DM are taking the timings as they stand this morning - but there is definately the option for the police to extend to 9pm Sunday night, giving them the full 96 hours

 

[truthfinder34]

I have a strange feeling that it might be his car but not necessarily him driving it and that's why it's been released. Though why he'd not tell the police who it is in that case, I have no idea.

I'm unable to discern anything much at all from the cctv. I wonder if the spider has been evicted now.

im 100% certain its him. when he looks at the camera directly you can see the shape of his glasses and they look exactly like pictures of the suspects.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I cant help but think thst its unlikely libby will be found. If the person arrested is gulity of harming Libby he had plently of time to cover his tracks. In the samantha eastwood case they were pretty much on to Stirling straightaway yet they only found her body after he led them to under whilst on bail

V true, and unfortunately when info gets into the public domain it informs not only the good people but bad people too. So they learn from other people's mistakes.

 

[mrazda71]

I don't see him doing up flies at all ... he's wearing jogger type bottoms that's wouldn't have a zip or button fly at all ... his hands are going deep into his pocket to get his tobacco/papers ...

I also don't see him holding trousers out in front of him to step into either ...

I do see what could be Libby against the car while he opens the door then maybe guides her to sit ...

Some things to note -

Quotes from his family - lost in translation, guided by greedy tabloid 'journalists' and certainly in shock and bewilderment.

You are stone cold sober people (maybe?) Thinking like sober people - Libby was a VERY drunk person thinking as only a drunk person can.

It is not unusual for victim family members to come and read here - notably, Paige Dohertys Mum! - so please keep that in mind when wording your posts.

Damned you spider!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Would she even know her postcode by heart after living there for a few months and being so drunk? Something tells me she was unlikely to be wanting a taxi to take her home, she had just walked from home to get to the bench. I think she thought she was heading back to the club. If he told his sister he put her postcode into his satnav I think it's likely to be a lie.

It's a strange detail to add tho, isn't it? Why tell your sister that?

 

[DanCJ]

The car pulls off far too quickly for me near the end of the video, particularly when it’s not a main road. It exhibits behaviour of someone who has done something wrong and time is of the essence.

The fact the car had to initially go on Cottingham road, there is no way the police don’t have more CCTV footage of this journey and clearly they are holding much more back.

• Has he had an accomplice? Two men heard muttering after screams. What was happening whilst he was sat out of his drivers seat?
• It’s crucial to confirm whether the other car or cyclist has come forward to understand their roles in all this
• Does he have family living over here? Other members that have not been mentioned yet? Is he trying to protect someone else involved or is he a lone operator?

 

[Chester]

Scenario:

Libby gets home and realises that she has forgotten her keys, she can't get to her phone which she deliberately left at home knowing she was going drinking.

Libby goes wandering to find a phone box. Calls Pawel, who is either at the gym or uses going to the gym as an excuse to get out of the house.

Pawel dumps his gym bag in the front passenger seat and goes off to meet Libby.

Libby isn't where she said she would be, Pawel parks and waits (possibly having a smoke as it appears to show on the video)*.

Pawel goes to look for Libby again, finds her and comes back to the car. Lifts his gym bag out of passenger seat and throws it in the back. Libby gets into passenger seat. Pawel gets in car and drives off.

* For those that say that someone who goes to the gym would not smoke, there are professional athletes that smoke, Google it.

 

[Tortoise]

It's a strange detail to add tho, isn't it? Why tell your sister that?

To make it seem like a legitimate account of what he would have done if he was taxiing her anywhere? And not planning to take her somewhere to sexually assault her. IMO

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The car pulls off far too quickly for me near the end of the video, particularly when it’s not a main road.

He shuts his door at 00:07:29 and drives off at 00:07:52.
23 seconds. It looks faster as the footage is speeded up.

 

[Atoz]

It looks to me like a coat is thrown into the footwell of the car before someone is "assisted" into the front seat, slumping over once in.

 

[Caroclaud]

I don’t think there’s an accomplice involved as it would involve a lot of immediate planning and co-ordination when only a few minutes beforehand they had no idea Libby would be around and on that bench.
They must be able to further track the car journey on CCTV which they haven’t released yet?
But as they are still locally requesting information and people to come forward I assume there must still be a lot of gaps in their knowledge?

 

[Elainera]

I'd suspect they have probably just cut out the "boring" bits so that people only look at the bits they are interested in getting information on. Additionally it may be that they feel releasing the whole thing might mean some not watching it through properly or concentrating on irrelevant bits. Probably keen only to get responses on the particular important bits.

Interesting you say that. Yet they did not attach any questions regarding the man to the release of the video. Maybe they fear specific questions might limit responses and they want people to call in with any and all observations they have.

Yep. I would hope both the car driver and cyclist already came forward especially as there is no appeal for them with the release of this CCTV. Maybe they just didn't notice him there?

In the video in the Daily Star article I had linked earlier the narrator does say police want to speak to the cyclist as a potential witness.

The car must belong to a resident living there, or a person visiting a resident as it's not a through street and leaving at that time of night? Maybe overthinking, but he seems to use the car leaving as a signal to get up and make his move.

Yes you're right! As if he had waited for that car to come by. He almost jumps up. Although it could also be that he didn't want to be seen by that driver and waited for him to be gone.

 

[mrjitty]

I don’t think there’s an accomplice involved as it would involve a lot of immediate planning and co-ordination when only a few minutes beforehand they had no idea Libby would be around and on that bench.
They must be able to further track the car journey on CCTV which they haven’t released yet?
But as they are still locally requesting information and people to come forward I assume there must still be a lot of gaps in their knowledge?

The big gap in the knowledge is where is libby

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm not convinced there's an accomplice either. However, remember the stories about the fake taxis trying to pick people up that weekend (in a blue/black VW) and also the one about the balaclava/taxi incident (not sure whether car description was given?) These may have been the same incident, not sure as I haven't got the links to hand.

 

[Tallburt]

I'm afraid I only see Wellington boots and some shorts (like 'cut-offs' made from a light material). If this is PR and he has been returning from work I wonder if this is what he wears under his overalls? Having, in the dim and distant past, worked in chicken processing as a student for some cash, we wore boiler suit type overalls and do you wore underwear (t-shirt and pants) underneath. If you were in and out of refridgerators or freezers you might wear something a bit bulkier underneath.

He would have passed the bench on his return home from work, perhaps saw LS in her state and decided, opportunuistically, to then get his car as close as possible without being on the main road hence parking at the Haworth Street deadend.

This CCTV would also show his car arriving and the time of this would be extremely useful so I wonder why this has not been released?

 

[Ched]

Chester ^^

Without sounding mean , he’s Polish , doesn’t speak much English , pretty low paid factory worker , with a family . She’s at uni so presumed a bit clever , pretty , single and in an environment where she will meet a tonne of unattached young men.

I’m pretty sure they weren’t having a relationship

 

[Alyce]

Interesting you say that. Yet they did not attach any questions regarding the man to the release of the video. Maybe they fear specific questions might limit responses and they want people to call in with any and all observations they have.



In the video in the Daily Star article I had linked earlier the narrator does say police want to speak to the cyclist as a potential witness.



Yes you're right! As if he had waited for that car to come by. He almost jumps up. Although it could also be that he didn't want to be seen by that driver and waited for him to be gone.

Agree, asking the public to respond on specific questions would possibly restrict the flow of info that could be provided.
I also think he could see someone in the other car and was waiting for him to drive off.

 

[Alyce]

I'm not convinced there's an accomplice either. However, remember the stories about the fake taxis trying to pick people up that weekend (in a blue/black VW) and also the one about the balaclava/taxi incident (not sure whether car description was given?) These may have been the same incident, not sure as I haven't got the links to hand.

Balaclava/fake taxi incident was on Newland Avenue but I dont remember ( not even sure if it was given ) description of the car.