Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*

[jessie]

Quick look on google maps , looks like there is at least one cctv in the bridge covering both lanes of traffic altho it dosnt overlook the layby ,. There is also something up a lampost about 50 meters past the layby which im not sure what it is.
Pics attached.

Not a clue how to upload a pic, but hope this link shows the other side of the bridge. If you can see the posts either side of bridge after barriers? Would these be cameras?

Google Maps

 

[Winterbells]

Yes, they have

In the Libby investigation, I mean?

 

[Inspecthernightly]

I also don’t believe that he made any calls to a friend or called in a favour from gangsters, police will have checked his phone records and it would show he made a call in the timeframe between midnight and 3am, even if he deleted his call history they can find out what calls he made and to who

I believe he acted alone and no one else is involved

If he acted alone that doesnt fit with the witness account on heathcoat street so is she and her partner mistaken in what they heard ?

 

[Quintet]

Hmm im not sure what I mean Stella!

Have LE said theyve recovered those items or are they just a list of what they know went missing from those addresses when the burglaries took place?!

Wasn't that efit discounted because somebody else was charged? Or do I have the wrong efit?

There was talk about a bloke called Kyril, looks nothing like the e-fit. He had already been convicted and imprisoned, it was his third time in prison I believe. There was pondering over that he could have had early release, so out in time to do the indecent exposure, but, one of our members believed him to be a free man at the mo, so, presumed it cannot be him or they would have been on him like a rash and he would be back in prison! I cannot find anything else regarding anyone being charged.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

That has been discussed a fair bit - it's the length of time she's been missing. The Police have been to all the obvious places she could have stumbled/tripped. She appears to be DELIBERATELY HIDDEN.

And it's a decently long walk for someone staggering and falling from Beresford Avenue to the River. The drain would be the nearest place, but the Police have been up and down that in multiple boats in numbers from early on.

I think we can pretty much rule out that she has wandered off and fallen somewhere. The drain, and gardens have all been searched very high profile - getting residents to check outhouses, behind bins etc.

But lets say one of those residents was in cahoots with PR and LE come knocking on there door there not going to say yeah bodys in the shed mate are they. LE didnt search all the houses with dogs as far as i know

 

[Winterbells]

Well, I've searched MSM for any mention of specialist cadaver dogs being utilised in the Libby investigation and haven't found anything. They've used Police dog units in their searches, but these don't appear to be cadaver dogs to me. Have I missed something?

 

[alfiedug]

I would have thought the difference in rent would be substantial and could be a major motivation for moving. Having said that, seeing your mug appear in an e-fit might also do the trick!

I believe he has a sister who lives in Hull.

 

[Joolz1975]

There was talk about a bloke called Kyril, looks nothing like the e-fit. He had already been convicted and imprisoned, it was his third time in prison I believe. There was pondering over that he could have had early release, so out in time to do the indecent exposure, but, one of our members believed him to be a free man at the mo, so, presumed it cannot be him or they would have been on him like a rash and he would be back in prison! I cannot find anything else regarding anyone being charged.

Probably that then..I didn't take much notice I was sleep deprived and drinking much more then lol.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

In the Libby investigation, I mean?

In the Libby investigation, I mean?

I know

 

[Quintet]

I believe he has a sister who lives in Hull.

Has he more than one? I thought the sister lived in Norway? That could be interesting...

 

[Cherwell]

Well, I've searched MSM for any mention of specialist cadaver dogs being utilised in the Libby investigation and haven't found anything. They've used Police dog units in their searches, but these don't appear to be cadaver dogs to me. Have I missed something?

If they have access to a cadaver dog, they will certainly have let it loose on PR's car. They would not be making any details public at this stage, positive or negative.
I don't know how readily available these dogs are though.

 

[TheCasual]

The more I think about it. The more I don't think PR is involved.

I just think he'd of tripped himself up.

 

[alfiedug]

Has he more than one? I thought the sister lived in Norway? That could be interesting...

Yes more than one about 3 i think.

 

[grumpiness]

Yes that all makes good sense.
Personally i still think he was acting alone , he either hid the body near the scene of the crime in the oark road park wellesley area and it simply hasnt been discovered because the police havnt put the manpower in.
or he took the body away in his own car . I feel he very well might have just taken her home and left her in the car and got rid of her the next day as he simultaneously watched all hell break loose on the telly, and then subsequently cleaned his car soon after. In the circumstances it may have felt safer taking her home with him rather than leaving her out in the wild , plus he just may have wanted to keep the body for a bit.
We dont know what forensics the police found in his car , it may have tested positive for a corpse , we dont know.
If everything is testing negative for a corpse then theres something else happened , like a second car which i dont think likely, or shes been abducted alive to a different location and then who knows whats come of her , trafficking ? unlikely, PR took her to an empty house and stowed her there intending to come back for her and subsequent events prevented him.
If there was a brother in the picture then that would open up some new possibilities , but otherwise i dont see him confiding in or involving anyone else.

Didn't LE pose the question to the neighbours asking who lived at PR address. Maybe he has someone else staying with him? Brother maybe? Or friend?

 

[crazychris]

I'm beginning to think as someone said above that he's not involved at all but just a pervy small time criminal very unluckily in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just have a hunch that's all. Nothing more. I think if he'd killed her that she'd have been found by now. What if he was telling the truth about her getting in the car and coming on to him? He's good looking and she was tipsy so who knows? Maybe she'd never have come on to him sober but she wasn't sober. Maybe she did get out as he said and someone else with more evil intentions then him came upn her.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Has he more than one? I thought the sister lived in Norway? That could be interesting...

2 sisters and 5 brothers according this article: ‘I’d rather die than know he is guilty’ Mother of butcher arrested over Libby Squires disappearance | Daily Mail Online

I'm sure I read in an article the second sister lived in Hull but can't find a link with that info now (the Norway sister is in most articles so could be another mix-up in the early days?).

Didn't LE pose the question to the neighbours asking who lived at PR address. Maybe he has someone else staying with him? Brother maybe? Or friend?

I wonder about this myself for 2 reasons:

1, PR manged to go through 96 hours questioning without caving (if guilty) or apparently giving anything away. This is pretty rare I think?

2, This one strengthens the above point IMO. The Police haven't charged him with anything Libby related yet appear to strongly hint they have their man/believe he is deeply involved. I'm shocked they don't seem to have been able to build even a weak circumstantial case against him. Someone already mentioned the Suzanne Pilley case for reference here.

Is there a possibility that even Police might think someone else is involved but PR just won't admit to it?

ETA: I wonder too if PRs wife has been questioned? Assuming she would be forthcoming, could that help Police big time here?

 

[Joolz1975]

I'm beginning to think as someone said above that he's not involved at all but just a pervy small time criminal very unluckily in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just have a hunch that's all. Nothing more. I think if he'd killed her that she'd have been found by now. What if he was telling the truth about her getting in the car and coming on to him? He's good looking and she was tipsy so who knows? Maybe she'd never have come on to him sober but she wasn't sober. Maybe she did get out as he said and someone else with more evil intentions then him came upn her.

He's an alleged perv.

I don't buy from public penis flasher to good Samaritan somehow.

Are we victim blaming here??

 

[grumpiness]

Yes I have a lot of sympathy with this, have thought this for a long time. Wonder what the car told them?

It almost seems like they have 2 and 2 but can't quite put them together to make 4, something very crucial missing.

For me that is another person - for me that is the only way to explain Libby's disappearance WITHOUT TRACE when the Police have the last person known to have seen her alive? And they can't get a confession, nothing from the car, his phone, or anything from the house or his person that gives any clue as to her whereabouts?

That does not sound like an opportunist just grabbing a sudden opportunity! I know he would have planned this to some extent, if he was engaged in stalking activity, but for a lone operator, of such a young age, potentially his first physical assault type of crime; and he's evaded all the forensics, left no trace of him or Libby in the park, out-foxed the cadaver dog, and all on a night when you would look out and expect yourself to be leaving footprints and car tracks in the snow?

I don't think he 'planned' for killing or disposing of Libby. I think a mixture of his escalation, bravado, and possibly drugs, meant he had only planned up to and including getting physical with Libby or another girl that night; in his psychological disposition he has become so fixated, tunnel visioned, in the hour or so leading up to contact with Libby, that once at and beyond that stage, he has no plan.

Which is where I am going round in circles... which is why I am convinced there had to be a second person involved.

I said this earlier up the thread - but I see this as almost 2 separate crimes;
1) PR's assault on LS, events surrounding which are categorised by and within his behaviour.
2) The disappearance of Libby; this is why so many people still stick to the theory that PR actually had nothing to do with her disappearance. The disappearance half of the incident is of a different character to the first half of the incident; namely PR and his contact/interaction with LS.

So EITHER - his role is as he has said; maybe he intended to stalk her and try it on with her, but never to actually force himself on her? Maybe he left it at that, she got out, he drove off... AND now she is 'abducted' by someone who may or may not exist with ZERO clues and ZERO trace

Or - he 'accidentally' killed her; and he either borrowed someone's car and drove her away from the city, or he had help...

There is a huge piece missing here, obviously I know given she herself is mysteriously missing. But PRs involvement does not make full sense from beginning to end IF YOU FOLLOW THE SCENARIO THROUGH.

maybe he intended to stalk her and try it on with her, but never to actually force himself on her? Maybe he left it at that, she got out, he drove off... AND now she is 'abducted' by someone who may or may not exist with ZERO clues and ZERO trace

Maybe there was no second crime. Maybe he is guilty of trying it on, she screamed fought him off and he left her in the park. She could have met with an accident afterwards and fallen and succumbed to the weather or the water

 

[Joolz1975]

I'm beginning to think as someone said above that he's not involved at all but just a pervy small time criminal very unluckily in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just have a hunch that's all. Nothing more. I think if he'd killed her that she'd have been found by now. What if he was telling the truth about her getting in the car and coming on to him? He's good looking and she was tipsy so who knows? Maybe she'd never have come on to him sober but she wasn't sober. Maybe she did get out as he said and someone else with more evil intentions then him came upn her.

Also if that's the case why didn't he come forward the next day when it was all over the news instead of waiting till he was arrested?

 

[Joolz1975]

maybe he intended to stalk her and try it on with her, but never to actually force himself on her? Maybe he left it at that, she got out, he drove off... AND now she is 'abducted' by someone who may or may not exist with ZERO clues and ZERO trace

Maybe there was no second crime. Maybe he is guilty of trying it on, she screamed fought him off and he left her in the park. She could have met with an accident afterwards and fallen and succumbed to the weather or the water

She would have to be pretty unlucky to fend off a penis flashing perv and THEN be abducted by someone else on the same night.