Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[Mommysleuth11]

You can get a whole rainbow trout at Morrisons for a good price! Put it in an ice cooler and you can pretend you've just caught it!
I'm not sure if they're local to the pond I'm the playing fields but it doesn't matter if his wife isn't some kind of fish expert!

Im seeing an option here for our tracker in the river idea.

 

[PaddyOreally?]

Would this be the one Coach referred to? The dates seem different? I think I watched a doc on Graham Coutts some time ago.

I actually met him in real life, he was in a who cover band in Brighton called substitute. There's s long story behind it all but he was really creepy. This was back when I was 18.

 

[Coach]

Would this be the one Coach referred to? The dates seem different? I think I watched a doc on Graham Coutts some time ago.

The one I was referring to was Niall McDonald, his wife Mandy died 4th Jan 2000 in Aberdeen.

 

[Newthoughts]

Lol, I hadn't thought of that - just buy one from Morrisons.

Thinking about his 'hobbies'... I guess flashing doesn't take that long ('just popping out for a bag of crisps - want anything?') and burglary is all about speed, so he may not need to have an alibi for where he's been. As for the spoils of his enterprises, he might just tell his wife his pal at work gave him the Playsation controller, speaker, phone or whatever and ... ew.... it's possible he 'recycles' the (cough) other items as special presents for them to play with together. If guilty, the man has no morals whatsoever, so nothing would surprise me.

She might be ok with the odd stolen laptop / Playstation, plenty of petty thieves have family that don't mind them making a bit of extra cash. It's the knickers and sex toys I'd struggle to see her turning a blind eye to.

The tabloids did ask his family if they knew he was doing a bit of taxiing on the side. Whilst it was in something like the Daily Fail it could be what he told his wife. Could be what he told Libby

 

[Coach]

His brother was jailed for 10yrs last year for rape, Alasdair McDonald.

 

[PaddyOreally?]

Im seeing an option here for our tracker in the river idea.

Don't tempt me!

 

[Joelle88]

The drone footage makes me think he put Libby into the river closer to the Humber than the park. I can't discount the idea of an accomplice. Nor can I discount the idea that the accomplice could be in the Croda / Oak Road cctv. Those are just my opinions though.

A drone was used over the fishing pond.

Detectives probing the disappearance of 21-year-old student Libby fear she may have been abducted before being dumped in the fast-flowing river which flows into the Humber estuary.

Yesterday a police marine unit was scouring the River Hull as other officers continued searching fields.

A drone has also been used over a large fishing pond.

Libby Squire disappearance: 'Eerie' screaming heard as student vanishes

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Does anyone have any other reasons for feeling LS must have been put in the water closer to/directly in the Estuary except,
-St Andrews Quay SM rumour.
-A perception that the river is somehow not deep/straight/fast enough to carry a body?

As many of you know my thinking for a while has been the river Hull at ORPF, since before the sad discovery of Libbys body. I thought it was the only option left and ill give some of my reasons why.

Before and after PRs abduction arrest (at that point i thought it was a specific charge and indicated someone or something must have witnessed 'an abduction'), LE were only visibly searching the areas directly around ORPF and suspects home address, no other areas. By this point they must have had a wealth of CCTV to place PRs movements.
LE asked for cctv and dashcam footage for anyone who may have been 'in the area' between 2330-0300. This indicates to me that PR was seen leaving 'the area' and returning home prior to 3am.
Oak Road CCTV witnesses, the last one left at 0234(?) Tying in to the end of the 3am timeframe.
All of this in my mind means LE placed PR ONLY in that immediate area between 2330-0300 else surely they would need the public's help or at least awareness that he left the area in case they could provide anything useful. Rather than thinking, 'oh i was the other side of Hull'. They always say a small seemingly insignificant detail could be vital to solving the case.

The fact that they couldnt find her in or around the park and (i believe) they placed her not leaving the area. There was only one other way out, via the river. Im not sure why people disbelieve it is possible so much. We have lost a lot of people to the river Hull, granted usually nearer the city centre but i have seen people vanish only to wash up on the edge of the estuary a while later. MOO its not only possible but probable she entered the water at ORPF.

 

[Cherwell]

The tabloids did ask his family if they knew he was doing a bit of taxiing on the side. Whilst it was in something like the Daily Fail it could be what he told his wife. Could be what he told Libby

That makes it sound like a fact. As far as I'm aware, there's been no suggestion that he ever worked as a taxi driver EXCEPT for the tabloid reporter asking his mother IF he ever did taxi work. It is probably only a theory. None of the quoted neighbours mentioned it, did they?

 

[JosieJo]

Does anyone have any other reasons for feeling LS must have been put in the water closer to/directly in the Estuary except,
-St Andrews Quay SM rumour.
-A perception that the river is somehow not deep/straight/fast enough to carry a body?

As many of you know my thinking for a while has been the river Hull at ORPF, since before the sad discovery of Libbys body. I thought it was the only option left and ill give some of my reasons why.

Before and after PRs abduction arrest (at that point i thought it was a specific charge and indicated someone or something must have witnessed 'an abduction'), LE were only visibly searching the areas directly around ORPF and suspects home address, no other areas. By this point they must have had a wealth of CCTV to place PRs movements.
LE asked for cctv and dashcam footage for anyone who may have been 'in the area' between 2330-0300. This indicates to me that PR was seen leaving 'the area' and returning home prior to 3am.
Oak Road CCTV witnesses, the last one left at 0234(?) Tying in to the end of the 3am timeframe.
All of this in my mind means LE placed PR ONLY in that immediate area between 2330-0300 else surely they would need the public's help or at least awareness that he left the area in case they could provide anything useful. Rather than thinking, 'oh i was the other side of Hull'. They always say a small seemingly insignificant detail could be vital to solving the case.

The fact that they couldnt find her in or around the park and (i believe) they placed her not leaving the area. There was only one other way out, via the river. Im not sure why people disbelieve it is possible so much. We have lost a lot of people to the river Hull, granted usually nearer the city centre but i have seen people vanish only to wash up on the edge of the estuary a while later. MOO its not only possible but probable she entered the water at ORPF.

Absolutely agree based in what we know so far

The police have not looked at any other area

 

[Mommysleuth11]

A drone was used over the fishing pond.

Detectives probing the disappearance of 21-year-old student Libby fear she may have been abducted before being dumped in the fast-flowing river which flows into the Humber estuary.

Libby Squire disappearance: 'Eerie' screaming heard as student vanishes

See the river is described as fast-flowing.
Someone (i dont remember who) replied to a question about the river with, "Its shallow and slow flowing" I did think, on comparison to what, The Humber? I wouldnt personally describe it as shallow or slow flowing overall. I suppose its partly down to perception.

 

[Lyndaloo]

So, if the electrical company released it, who edited it? Them? ITV? Or, could ITV have contacted police and said “this is what we have, what can we show?”

I believe it would have been edited by police

 

[yakus1964]

I've just got back from taking flowers to Libbys bench. It brought a tear to my eye. So sad to think of what happened that night. A few other people also brought flowers whilst we were there. We walked down Haworth street and it was quite chilling to think of someone sat down there walking up and down keeping an eye on libby at the bench possibly until the coast was clear.

If I were in a place to, I’d like to take flowers to the bench too.

I don’t often follow cases like I have done this one - but this case has had an affect on me. Maybe because she’s the same age as I am and many of my friends at uni are. Maybe because her body was found not far from my hometown.

It’s truly awful. A bright, young, pretty woman with everything going for her in life wiped away because of the actions of some sicko.

Honestly, give me five minutes alone in a room with the person who did this to her. Sadly I wouldn’t be able to put them through anywhere near the amount of pain her parents, family and friends must be going through right now.

RIP Libby Squire. You deserved to be remembered for the life you lived, not the way you passed.

 

[Vermont24]

Does anyone have any other reasons for feeling LS must have been put in the water closer to/directly in the Estuary except,
-St Andrews Quay SM rumour.
-A perception that the river is somehow not deep/straight/fast enough to carry a body?

As many of you know my thinking for a while has been the river Hull at ORPF, since before the sad discovery of Libbys body. I thought it was the only option left and ill give some of my reasons why.

Before and after PRs abduction arrest (at that point i thought it was a specific charge and indicated someone or something must have witnessed 'an abduction'), LE were only visibly searching the areas directly around ORPF and suspects home address, no other areas. By this point they must have had a wealth of CCTV to place PRs movements.
LE asked for cctv and dashcam footage for anyone who may have been 'in the area' between 2330-0300. This indicates to me that PR was seen leaving 'the area' and returning home prior to 3am.
Oak Road CCTV witnesses, the last one left at 0234(?) Tying in to the end of the 3am timeframe.
All of this in my mind means LE placed PR ONLY in that immediate area between 2330-0300 else surely they would need the public's help or at least awareness that he left the area in case they could provide anything useful. Rather than thinking, 'oh i was the other side of Hull'. They always say a small seemingly insignificant detail could be vital to solving the case.

The fact that they couldnt find her in or around the park and (i believe) they placed her not leaving the area. There was only one other way out, via the river. Im not sure why people disbelieve it is possible so much. We have lost a lot of people to the river Hull, granted usually nearer the city centre but i have seen people vanish only to wash up on the edge of the estuary a while later. MOO its not only possible but probable she entered the water at ORPF.

I'm on Team Mommysleuth with this one.

 

[JosieJo]

That makes it sound like a fact. As far as I'm aware, there's been no suggestion that he ever worked as a taxi driver EXCEPT for the tabloid reporter asking his mother IF he ever did taxi work. It is probably only a theory. None of the quoted neighbours mentioned it, did they?

The only other thing that leads me towards him doing taxi work would be the place he parked ...an ideal spot to catch freezing cold passengers waiting for a bus ...plus it may have been his excuse for being "out and about" ... but yes absolutely nothing more than a theory

 

[jessie]

The one I was referring to was Niall McDonald, his wife Mandy died 4th Jan 2000 in Aberdeen.

Thanks, will read up on that one.

 

[JosieJo]

Regards the river at oak rd my thoughts are

The area to travel is almost all industrial...lots of car parks , factories etc so much less chance of being seen than residential imo

The "muddy" look to the water may hinder visibility

It did take 7 weeks to get to estuary so not exactly a short time

If entering at ORPF at high tide could a person travel far enough to be outside the immediate search area covered the following day

Could it just be a case of certain conditions that allowed it to happen .. but with different conditions would not ?

 

[jacksmamma]

Thankyou for finding this Winterbells, I knew I had seen this article x

I think they already had CCTV of LS being taken to ORPF and not coming away again, in which case they would have already identified the car and driver. Maybe they wanted to wait until PR was in custody before making it public - as he would see it too?

 

[Pinkizzy]

Would this be the one Coach referred to? The dates seem different? I think I watched a doc on Graham Coutts some time ago.

No, he's in jail for 35 years

 

[Zazie]

"You can get a whole rainbow trout at Morrisons for a good price" = one of my favourite quotes from this thread.

(Not taking the mick @PaddyOreally? - it just made me smile!)