Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

This gives me confidence that enough forensic evidence will be collected to be able to charge someone for murder.

I'm so hoping that this is the reason it's taking a while to charge PR.

 

[Vermont24]

Full-length lecture here:

 

[Hjp]

Without clear CCTV footage of Libby on that night, working backwards from where she was found is the obvious way forward.

If we can establish the point she was put in the river then there may be crucial implicating DNA evidence left on site for the police to find.

As PR has already been charged and convicted of other criminal offences, his fingerprints and DNA will be on the national police database I'd imagine to match up with any site identified.

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[EricaAmbrose1]

So pleased that you have posted this full lecture Vermont24 .I downloaded the lecture transcript only to read before finding the YouTube clip.This is so much more insightful .Shes fascinating to listen to and learn from.Can we hope she's involved with Libbys case?

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

Would PRs movements and any alibi of his be more vital to establish now?The cct tv witness appeal made several times to confirm any sightings to prove otherwise possibly.?If police in this case can hopefully establish times and places as per this forensic expert witnesses findings .The police involved in this case have more chance of establishing if PR is involved or not. .Perhaps the forensic expert witness here trains others in her expertise if they dont use her.

 

[Eyes Wide Open]

Would PRs movements and any alibi of his be more vital to establish now?The cct tv witness appeal made several times to confirm any sightings to prove otherwise possibly.?If police in this case can hopefully establish times and places as per this forensic expert witnesses findings .The police involved in this case have more chance of establishing if PR is involved or not. .Perhaps the forensic expert witness here trains others in her expertise if they dont use her.

Have watched the video with great interest. What now intrigues me is what he told the police during the 96 hours window of custody questionning. As the first potential crime involved Libby the earlier questionning should have been about her movements and these experts may have a field day with what he told them. Just hoping.

 

[kate2931]

Wow this lady is exactly what is needed. Great finds! Would there be any harm in contacting her and notifying her of Libby’s case (assuming she isn’t already involved) ?

 

[Newthoughts]

Have watched the video with great interest. What now intrigues me is what he told the police during the 96 hours window of custody questionning. As the first potential crime involved Libby the earlier questionning should have been about her movements and these experts may have a field day with what he told them. Just hoping.

Given that lots of people have expressed surprise that he hasn't been charged with more in the flashing stakes I'm wondering what else will be used in Libby's case.

From the sound of it LE were very lucky to have retrieved her body.

Still concerned about the 4 potential witnesses tho. Still wonder if one is an accomplice.

 

[Skigh]

I have the feeling he would not have said anything unless confronted with evidence he could not deny and therefore had to explain e.g cctv showing him with Libby.

 

[JosieJo]

I still find it very worrying regards a conviction in this case .. I hope what happened can he established and im wrong
I still at the minute feel he freely admitted picking LS up and giving her a lift toward home maybe even more
I feel they really need the PM to show what happened here
If she did happen to go in the water at ORPF the PM may be the only way of getting answers ..especially if they have him driving towards home with no suspicious trips afterwards

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

Wow this lady is exactly what is needed. Great finds! Would there be any harm in contacting her and notifying her of Libby’s case (assuming she isn’t already involved) ?

I've considered this too. Very pleased I'm not the only one .How though phone call email? .

 

[Newthoughts]

I still find it very worrying regards a conviction in this case .. I hope what happened can he established and im wrong
I still at the minute feel he freely admitted picking LS up and giving her a lift toward home maybe even more
I feel they really need the PM to show what happened here
If she did happen to go in the water at ORPF the PM may be the only way of getting answers ..especially if they have him driving towards home with no suspicious trips afterwards

Not sure what 'more' there could be? Libby was clearly drunk and vulnerable, many witnesses to that, so lift to somewhere is all he can say without admitting to a crime. It sounds like he can no longer claim she drowned stumbling into water either.

They've taken loads from his house and stuff from the park. CPS are clearly happy with them calling it homicide. They've also gone through hours of CCTV. I guess it's a lot of collating of evidence now. Hope for justice.

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

I still find it very worrying regards a conviction in this case .. I hope what happened can he established and im wrong
I still at the minute feel he freely admitted picking LS up and giving her a lift toward home maybe even more
I feel they really need the PM to show what happened here
If she did happen to go in the water at ORPF the PM may be the only way of getting answers ..especially if they have him driving towards home with no suspicious trips .

 

[Newthoughts]

Have watched the video with great interest. What now intrigues me is what he told the police during the 96 hours window of custody questionning. As the first potential crime involved Libby the earlier questionning should have been about her movements and these experts may have a field day with what he told them. Just hoping.

Yes so far he's only been questioned on her abduction and only on the early evidence they had 6 weeks ago. Even with that they got the full 96 hours and every extension they asked for which means new evidence every time. They've had a lot of time since then.

What are his rights on remand? Would he have access to Internet or news? I'm guessing he'll know Libby's been found at minimum.

 

[JosieJo]

Not sure what 'more' there could be? Libby was clearly drunk and vulnerable, many witnesses to that, so lift to somewhere is all he can say without admitting to a crime. It sounds like he can no longer claim she drowned stumbling into water either.

They've taken loads from his house and stuff from the park. CPS are clearly happy with them calling it homicide. They've also gone through hours of CCTV. I guess it's a lot of collating of evidence now. Hope for justice.

Hoping so .. my worry is the umbrella term of homicide

 

[EricaAmbrose1]

Let's hope that any forensic expert witness who's been involved in LS death investigation is working on establishing cause this could possibly then confirm a small window of time what did happen to LS when and where .Hopefully this expert information will be a great help in confirming homicide .Plus if there is a homicide charge the expert forensics add a lot of weight to the prosecution.

 

[JosieJo]

For example. . until cause of death is identified and made public I'm still not convinced for example that taking her into a park and committing an unlawful act (eg flashing etc) which lead to her death for example by her running in fear ...would not be classed as manslaughter

 

[Newthoughts]

Hoping so .. my worry is the umbrella term of homicide

If what we've heard is correct, people are surprised he hasn't been charged with more and stuff had disappeared from MSM. So I wonder if some other alleged crimes are going to be used if he goes to trial for Libby's death? To show patterns of behavior or Intent. I did wonder if police were looking for an accomplice but I think if there was one PR would have pointed the finger at him. With him safely locked away until his trial at least I hope they're working hard.

 

[Skigh]

I think the police will be well aware of all the experts and their specialisms and would have used them.
they would have been through every inch of his car taking samples .
His clothes would be checked for fibres,dna,plant and soil samples.

 

[Newthoughts]

For example. . until cause of death is identified and made public I'm still not convinced for example that taking her into a park and committing an unlawful act (eg flashing etc) which lead to her death for example by her running in fear ...would not be classed as manslaughter

If CPS have allowed LE to statr homicide rather than potential homicide I'd guess they knew she was dead before she entered the water. I'd also argue it would be difficult to run into the water in that park where police searched. It's rough terrain and banked.