UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #21

[Stumpyaura]

Thanks @jimjam another excellent day of reporting for us

 

[JosieJo]

That's why I was asking it posed as a legal question.

I'm aware they can't research or discuss 'the trial' but, I'm questioning if they can or cannot research relevant things but which aren't case specific

But as they are not allowed to use anything that's not presented in court why would they research things that aren't case specific? They are expected to ask questions of the judge if they do not understand things ?
For example if they might not know how a tidal river might effect the case they would be expected to ask the judge ?

 

[JusticeDT]

Has he finished giving evidence or is there more cross examining tomorrow?

 

[Winterbells]

16:22
Voyeurism not enough
Relowicz is being asked about an occasion where he carried out a sex act in front of two women on the corner of Alexandra Road.

Mr Wright said: “You didn’t run away, you stepped out with your trousers pulled down to your thighs and your penis exposed as you masturbated.

“You were staring at them as you were doing it. Knowing that they had seen you and could see that made you sexually excited.”

Relowicz has denied that.

Mr Wright said: “Just 19 days before Libby Squire entered your car.”

He also referred to the Wellesley Avenue offence on January 20, 2019, less than two weeks before Libby vanished.

Mr Wright said: “You pursued two women and you were so sexually excited you ejaculated over the front door.

“It wasn’t enough for you that they had seen you or that they were scared. This time you wanted to pursue them didn’t you?”

Relowicz says that is “not correct.”

Pawel quizzed by prosecutors as he returns to the witness box

I take it all back. He’s really going for him now.

 

[mrazda71]

But as they are not allowed to use anything that's not presented in court why would they research things that aren't case specific? They are expected to ask questions of the judge if they do not understand things ?
For example if they might not know how a tidal river might effect the case they would be expected to ask the judge ?

Are you asking me? You've added question marks.

 

[JusticeDT]

I take it all back. He’s really going for him now.

Would love to read the full transcript.

 

[JosieJo]

Would be so interesting to know how he came across during prosecution cross examination..obviously slaughtered on the rape charge as no way he could deny she was vulnerable once questioned. He seemed to hold up in relation to other questioning albeit unbelievable at times. But would really have loved to be a fly on the wall

 

[JosieJo]

Are you asking me? You've added question marks.

Not you specifically no ..just adding my thoughts as im entitled to do ..the question marks were just a general mark of my comments being open to suggestion from others

 

[Ruthbullock]

I thought English was taught at every school where it isn’t their first language. Could be wrong mind.

And with this in mind I took higher German and couldn’t string a sentence together now but if I lived in Germany sure it would be different..

I spent 10 years in Germany- by the end of it I could speak basic grammatically incorrect German with my neighbours and when out and about. I could understand pretty much everything they said though, even the sarcasm and humour in a conversation.

 

[Vera_dci]

Me too! What was his demena, did he show frustration when being asked certain questions? Did he look at libbys family during the court appearance. Come on Hull Live we need more info!

 

[LucyRocket]

Hes been living here since he was 18 im sure he has a very good understanding of English. My friend is from Bulgaria she spoke very little English when she moved here, you'd be surprised how quickly you can pick up languages when living in a country.

Out of interest does any body know if they teach any languages at Polish schools? My friend was taught Russian and English at school.

I was thinking the same. My friend is Polish and came here because she wanted to improve her English, so she had Welsh friends and worked with Welsh people. She says she finds it difficult now to translate to Polish, because she thinks in English. Another friend is an employer for overseas workers. When I socialise with them their English is still very poor even after being here for several years because they live and work with other Polish people. So I think it depends greatly on the company you keep

 

[Vera_dci]

Locals. Is there anyway he could return to the park on foot avoiding cctv? Or even walk along the river from a different point. We know he went to soccer and sports direct the evening after, both these places are the other side of the river from his house.

 

[Newthoughts]

he maybe have interpreter with him but he clearly answering questions on his own and he is not doing himself a favour
Im surprise his lawyer let him do this

I guess he had to explain the DNA evidence and the only way was to plead guilty to rape or take the stand to claim consensual sex.

If he'd mentioned it earlier he wouldn't be up there cos he would have been. Questioned by police.

Like his decision to rape Libby and his refusal to answer questions about it earlier in the police station it is the consequence of his choices. It is his own fault

I feel so sorry for Libby's family listening to this, and her friends and boyfriend. How will they ever get over it.

And so sorry for his mum and family as well. I read her interviews and she came across as so decent. Like any mother - upset for Libby's mum. How must she feel.

He's destroyed loads of lives.

 

[wilkela]

@wikela I am sure he said earlier that although he doesn't speak English well, he does understand it well.

I am also quite sure that if he thought it would help his case he would insist on using the translator - he is clearly confident enough with what he plans to say that he has chosen not to do that. The translator is literally by his side so he could easily make use of them if he wants to. Maybe it is the opposite of what you may think and he wants to give his answers himself so nobody else can put a spin he doesn't want on the words he says.

maybe but I see how you (on forum) interpreted his answers , you picking some words from his answers and thinking he said them for a special reason when I think he use them because he doesn't know better word and it is first which came to his head (like" she was depressed" )
I just think it was stupid move from his side to not using translator to talking for him they would probably use better word to translate what he really means
like he said his previous crimes was silly ,you can use more appropriate words to describe his actions but the word silly is translated to polish the same way like stupid ,thoughtless ,foolish and many other words ,he just picked one which he knows(probably used by lady in his son nursery ;-)

 

[Officer Dibble]

16:30

Trial ends for the day
The trial has ended for Day 9. It will resume again at 10.30am tomorrow.

Pawel quizzed by prosecutors as he returns to the witness box

Thank you @jamjim

 

[Alyce]

he maybe have interpreter with him but he clearly answering questions on his own and he is not doing himself a favour
Im surprise his lawyer let him do this

Im sorry, I must have missed this - but where does it say PR is answering the questions directly ?

 

[JosieJo]

Thank you @jamjim

Yes thanks for all the updates @jamjim

 

[JusticeDT]

maybe but I see how you (on forum) interpreted his answers , you picking some words from his answers and thinking he said them for a special reason when I think he use them because he doesn't know better word and it is first which came to his head (like" she was depressed" )
I just think it was stupid move from his side to not using translator to talking for him they would probably use better word to translate what he really means
like he said his previous crimes was silly ,you can use more appropriate words to describe his actions but the word silly is translated to polish the same way like stupid ,thoughtless ,foolish and many other words ,he just picked one which he know(probably used by lady in his son nursery ;-)

Even stupid, thoughtless or foolish would be totally insufficient and inappropriate and that's just for the horrendous crimes he admitted already and has been convicted of.

I suspect he has gone against his counsel's advice because he is arrogant enough to think he can lie his way out of it MOO

He has an interpreter. He has had every opportunity to use them. Nobody to blame but himself if that was wrong move.

 

[Skigh]

I was learning Russian at school ,but even he was learning English I dont think so it would really help him in England
he was working with Polish people, have Polish friends and wife I think he didn't use English too much in every day life
I was learning Russian at school but younger generations learn english but it is really basic and if someone didnt do very well at school they wouldn't be able have conversation base on what they learn at school.
he also left Poland pretty early so I guess he dosen't have higher education to master his english at school

Perhaps he has been taking English lessons in prison and speaking with other prisoners and guards. His English could have really improved after over a year in prison.

 

[wilkela]

I guess he had to explain the DNA evidence and the only way was to plead guilty to rape or take the stand to claim consensual sex.

If he'd mentioned it earlier he wouldn't be up there cos he would have been. Questioned by police.

Like his decision to rape Libby and his refusal to answer questions about it earlier in the police station it is the consequence of his choices. It is his own fault

I feel so sorry for Libby's family listening to this, and her friends and boyfriend. How will they ever get over it.

And so sorry for his mum and family as well. I read her interviews and she came across as so decent. Like any mother - upset for Libby's mum. How must she feel.

He's destroyed loads of lives.

I personally wouldn't take part of this trial if I would be Libby mum it would be too much for me
Can you explain me if every case in uk is open to public(I mean if media always are invited and reporting all details(unpleasant, disturbing and often offensive about victim )?