UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18

[mrjitty]

We both posted pretty much same time. I have absolutely same view of it as uou do. IMOO he went there first to have a look around and once he got his victim he knew where he would be taking them. I also see it as premeditation totally

Yes this is classic

There are often 3 crimes scenes in these cases

1. The abduction scene
2. Interim scene - this is a place where the offender is comfortable to commit his crime and control the victim
3. Dumping ground - the place where the body is dumped.

 

[jamjim]

14:56
'Asphyxia could not be ruled out'
The pathologist said in Libby’s case the findings were not typical of a drowning case, although Mr Wright has told the jury, the absence of those things does not mean that Libby had not drowned.

The pathologist also found no post-mortem changes of hypothermia, although the absence does not mean to say she did not die of hypothermia.

Mr Wright says there was no significant injury to Libby’s brain that would have suggested an assault.

He added: “She had no broken bones and there were no wounds that might have been inflicted with any sort of penetrating weapon such as a knife.

“One mechanism of death that cannot be excluded however is asphyxia. It is quite possible to kill somebody in this way without leaving a significant injury and the absence of certain injuries cannot exclude this as a potential mechanism of death in Libby’s case.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[Newthoughts]

He really had set his mind on Oak Road playing fields, he'd even flown his drone over the area a couple of days prior.

A lot suggesting premeditation in my opinion. Poor Libby

 

[jamjim]

14:58
Pathologist could not establish how Libby died
Mr Wright says the examination looked for signs of sexual violence and there was an obvious bruise to the inside of Libby’s right thigh that “may be significant in this context and must have been caused before she died.”

Dr Lyall concluded that he could not establish how Libby died.

Mr Wright says Professor Charles Deakin – a critical care NHS doctor - has reviewed all relevant evidence and concluded that Libby was "undoubtedly hypothermic" and as a result would have had impaired judgement and problems with coordination.

The prosecutor said: “She would have been very vulnerable and have a much reduced ability to defend herself from any attack upon her.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[mrjitty]

So in the end this case is just way more obvious and basic than all the speculation

 

[jamjim]

15:02
Prosecutor - 'DNA proves Relowicz had sex with Libby'
Mr Wright said during the post-mortem an internal swab was taken from Libby which detected sperm cells and the majority yielded a DNA profile that matched Relowicz.

The jury was told that it is one billion times more likely that the DNA detected in the sperm is Relowicz’s than it is DNA from another person unrelated to him.

Mr Wright told the court: “The inevitable conclusion of that finding is that this defendant had penetrative vaginal intercourse with Libby when he came into contact with her on February 1. You will no doubt recall that he had previously denied that fact and had told lies to the police about it during his first interviews.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[Cherwell]

Right then, they have him bang to rights for rape as they will establish through witnesses that she was incapable of consent.

 

[jamjim]

Relowicz's previous convictions revealed in court
The jury is being told of Relowicz’s previous convictions.

In August 2019, Relowicz admitted nine offences – four of voyeurism, three of burglary and two of outraging public decency.

• In July 2017, Relowicz watched a young woman at her home in Edgecumbe Street as she had sex with her partner in her bedroom. Relowicz put his head through the open window. He left a used condom and a pair of knickers behind at the scene.
• Between July 29 and August 1, 2017, Relowicz burgled a house and stole some property, leaving behind a condom on a child’s toy.
• In December 2017, Relowicz entered a woman’s bedroom in Raglan Street and stole property including a vibrator which was later recovered the pink holdall from his car when he was arrested in 2019.

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[Vera_dci]

I have a horrible feeling that he was planning another attack. He must have known his car was caught on cctv in the area. Was he planning to dispose of the holdall and contents or was he planning to use them on another victim.

 

[jamjim]

15:12
Relowicz's previous convictions - continued

• In Walgrave Street in February 2018, Relowicz watched a woman from outside her bedroom after she had returned from a shower.
• In May 2018 in Beresford Avenue, Relowicz stared at a young woman through her bedroom window.
• In Chester Avenue in December 2018, Relowicz stared through a window watching a woman dance in her underwear.
• On January 12, 2019, Relowicz was seen masturbating in Newland Avenue by two young women.
• On January 20, 2019, Relowicz was seen masturbating in Wellesley Avenue by two young women. The women went into their house but he continued to follow them as he masturbated and then ejaculated over their front door.

Just days before Libby vanished, Relowicz committed another burglary at Ventnor Street, between January 25 and 28. He broke into a shared house and stole the pink holdall found in his boot and much of the underwear and many of the sex toys and lubricants found inside.

Mr Wright says: “Several pairs of the knickers in the holdall were linked to this burglary by DNA testing that yielded the profiles of two of the girls in the house. The defendant’s DNA was also present on multiple pairs of those knickers. His saliva was present in the crotch of one pair and his semen present on two other pairs.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[jamjim]

15:14
'A sex attacker, not a Good Samaritan' says prosecution
Mr Wright said: “The defendant was therefore, at the time he encountered Libby on the 31st January, a man who was driven to commit sexually motivated offences against young women and who was undeterred by them seeing him or challenging him. His offending was frequent and it was targeted in this student area of the city.

“That is why we saw him moving around these streets that night. He was, we suggest, looking for an opportunity to offend. He was in a state of heightened sexual arousal as his use of *advertiser censored* on his phone and his masturbating in the street demonstrates.

“He was not acting as a good Samaritan we suggest.

“Rather, in Libby Squire he found the opportunity he was looking for and he went further than he had done before, driving her away, raping her and killing her.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[Sooty]

I have a horrible feeling that he was planning another attack. He must have known his car was caught on cctv in the area. Was he planning to dispose of the holdall and contents or was he planning to use them on another victim.

I think they were just trophies. His car may have been the only ‘safe’ place to keep them. He hadn’t been caught or under suspicion at this point.

 

[CrazyLilBlondie]

He didnt accidently come across her (they have cctv evidence) likewise with warming the car up for her. The cctv evidence does not if I remember show him startingbthe car up to warm it.

The car wouldnt even have been cold as he'd been driving round for hours!

 

[jamjim]

15:14
The scene in court

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[jamjim]

15:16
'Libby was in no condition to give consent to sex' - prosecutor
Final comments from Mr Wright who says the prosecution understand that Relowicz will now admit that he had sexual intercourse with Libby after he drove her to Oak Road Playing Fields.

Mr Wright asks the jury: “Was Libby consenting to sexual intercourse with the defendant and did the defendant reasonably believe that Libby was consenting to the sexual activity?”

The prosecution say Libby was “of course in no condition to give informed consent given her intoxication and the fact she was likely hypothermic.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

15:02
Prosecutor - 'DNA proves Relowicz had sex with Libby'
Mr Wright said during the post-mortem an internal swab was taken from Libby which detected sperm cells and the majority yielded a DNA profile that matched Relowicz.

The jury was told that it is one billion times more likely that the DNA detected in the sperm is Relowicz’s than it is DNA from another person unrelated to him.

Mr Wright told the court: “The inevitable conclusion of that finding is that this defendant had penetrative vaginal intercourse with Libby when he came into contact with her on February 1. You will no doubt recall that he had previously denied that fact and had told lies to the police about it during his first interviews.”

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

That's it then, isn't it? No doubt what he did. JMO

 

[Catsarse]

Thank god for dna testing and evidence. I don’t mean this to sound odd but how amazing sperm cells could still be found, after that time and poor Libby being in the water.
I’m really glad they found this as he told the police there was no sexual contact.

He was just escalating in his sexual deviance. Like someone else said earlier, if it wasn’t Libby I’m sure he’d have gone for someone else. MOO

 

[jamjim]

15:21
'He raped Libby and then silenced her screams' - prosecution
Mr Wright's closing remarks to the jury:

We say that you can be sure that she did not give her consent to a hurried act of intercourse with a stranger on the freezing and snow covered ground of the Oak Road Playing Fields.

Her screams, and the scratches that she clearly managed to land on the face of the defendant as she fought him off, are just part of the evidence that establishes that she was raped by a man whose entire motivation for coming into contact with her that night was to take her away from safety to a remote area well known to him and there to subject her to his uncontrollable sexual urges.

His very purpose in prowling the streets was in order to commit opportunistic sexual offences and the rape of Libby was just such an offence.

We will invite you to the sure conclusion that the defendant not only raped Libby Squire but that he also killed her during that act of sexual violence.

It is not possible for the pathologist to determine how Libby died, but it is not necessary for the Prosecution to demonstrate any particular mechanism of death in this, or indeed in any other case of murder.

We say that you can be sure that Pawel Relowicz subjected Libby to unlawful violence at the Oak Road playing fields and that violence caused her death.

Whether that be by asphyxiation, or by any other means, such as deliberately throwing her into the freezing River Hull in the sure knowledge that she would drown. He intended at the very least to cause her really serious injury. His purpose was to rape her and to use whatever force was necessary to achieve that end, to silence her screams and to escape detention.

'Libby killer's 2.30am sex act in Newland Avenue' - trial updates

 

[Vermont24]

Let's not forget that the crimes which he has been charged with very likely don't represent the whole extent of his offending, either. The 'sketch' incident is missing, at the very least.

 

[Sooty]

I have just started to follow this case and trial in any detail so I may have missed out on large chunks of information, but if that is all the prosecution have on him, it looks like it will be difficult to prove murder conclusively. Rape yes, premeditated rape yes, but murder .....? What does anyone else think?