Lady Gwendoline
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what news of her car keys? Were these actually found anywhere? She had parked and then walked hadn’t she? So she must have had her car keys on her?
Presumably they are in a zipped pocket of her coat so will stay with her coat.what news of her car keys? Were these actually found anywhere? She had parked and then walked hadn’t she? So she must have had her car keys on her?
Really interesting and informative contributions from tallmansix, Mr X and just-a-random-girl on the river theory. MOO if an abduction, it would seem sophisticated. I wonder what sort of a character profile could be drawn for the sort of person who could do this?
That's interesting. I assumed the lake at Rowanwater was a natural lake.Found this aerial image of what appears to be the location in question in St Michael's from 1985. Probably won't help solve the case but it provides a good aerial view of the river (so you can see what's changed) and I found it interesting...
Source: St Michael's on Wyre; Upper Rawcliffe-with-Tarnacre CP; Lancashire; England | NCAP - National Collection of Aerial Photography
I don’t know what deep and wide means in this context. The Thames in central London is deep and wide, this is neither.I'm not sure you are understanding how rivers work?
There is a constant flow towards the sea where the river is above sea level. The speed of that flow might be 1mph or up to about 15mph for a fast river but it is never static as that would defy the laws of physics.
And regardless of whether it is a rubber duck, body or a boat - if it floats the river will move the object, the size and weight are irrelevant, just the relative density.
Assuming the same flow rate of water, where a river is deep/wide the water will move more slowly versus where it gets narrow/shallow where it moves more quickly - but within a given stretch, the same volume of water will move per second, just at different speeds depending on the size and shape of the river.
At the place NB disappeared the river is deep and wide - a lot of water will be flowing by volume but relatively slowly. At just 1mph (slow compared to walking speed of 3-4mph) the body would move 110 metres in just 10 minutes - well out of sight in the small window that this incident occurred in.
The flow doesn't need to be strong to move a body, the relative buoyancy of a body is approx the same as the water itself.
For example barges on canals weighing a hundred tons will drift when not tethered despite hardly any water flow - because they are buoyant. Drop a 100-ton metal weight into the water and it won't move - buoyancy is the factor, not the size or weight.
and as can be seen on the map, it's pretty close to the bench spot but further upstreamFiddleneck is part of the river she walks . The creepy thing is thats written as a comment under one of Nicolas FB pics by some guyProphetic?
Because NB's partner, knowing her habits/behaviour had dialled 999 to alert the police to the fact that NB not being with the dog and phone was an emergency. Whereas the finder of the dog had no such insights or fears, may have checked the river, but could not possibly know that this was an emergency that needed a 999 call, and could have thought that the owner would soon turn up or be found.
The finder of the dog was perhaps not trained to think like the police and did not have the benefit of PA's insights at that point because no-one knew that NB was missing.
I'm not saying if she did hit her head or not but the adult niece of one of my friends banged her head getting into the bath and drowned while her mum and dad watched tv downstairs totally unaware of what was happening.He also disagrees with the suggestion that she might have hit her head on a rock and lost consciousness, and that her body could have been washed round the river bend to the nearby weir...."
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Dive expert makes huge claim about Nicola Bulley's disappearance
KATHRYN KNIGHT: Peter Faulding has amassed a number of impressive qualifications in the course of his life, but he has one particular talent for which there is no formal certificate.www.dailymail.co.uk
Nicola Bulley search: Real detectives vie with amateur sleuths in Lancashire village river meanders through a stretch known locally as Fiddleneck then over a fast weir that runs into he tidal stretch of the Wyre.If anyone can research the incident of Elizabeth Rawcliffe falling into the river in 1926 it seems to be similar to the police working theory. It happened at "Fiddler's Neck", do we know where this is and if it is the same location? Maybe previous colloquial name? She was spotted and the person who waded in to help said it was deeper than expected. She disappeared under the water in front of the rescuer but she stuck an arm out and he managed to grab it.
Update - just seen that the Rowanwater site refers to accessing the "Fiddle Neck" in its site rules so could be the same place.
Nicola Bulley search: Real detectives vie with amateur sleuths in Lancashire village river meanders through a stretch known locally as Fiddleneck then over a fast weir that runs into he tidal stretch of the Wyre.
Link above, so that stretch is above the weir, and sounds rather dangerous.
Where the case of Nicola Bulley is concerned there is at least three possible theories in my opinion ;
1. She deliberately went off of her own volition,
2, She was abducted and
3, She fell into the river.
I believe she fell into the river and while the expert from SGI seems adamant Nicola is not in the river I believe it is possible something was missed. The clothing she was wearing coupled with the cold water shock would have brought her under, possibly without a sound as she may have already been in shock after entering the river given the freezing temperature of the River.
I don't believe she left of her own volition as I doubt very much she would have left her children.
I believe that if she was abducted there would have been some evidence on the ground or someone would have heard something, a scream or cry.
The key here is her dog, Willow, who stayed by the water and was not wearing a lead or harness, if Nicola had been taken then the dog would have followed.
I am surprised the police did not cordon off the bench and the immediate area, even if they believe she entered the river and had recovered her body then it would have been appropriate to have a cordon to afford some dignity to the deceased and stop on lookers, not putting a cordon was a mistake.
The key to all this is her dog who stayed by the river and bench despite having no lead or harness on.
I didn't think it was helpful from the expert from SGI to say to the media he is 100% certain she is not in the river, I don't think anyone or any piece of equipment is that infallible, there is always room for error.
In the words of Arthur Conan Doyle, '' 'Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.'
My thoughts are with Nicola's family and I hope they find closure soon.
In my opinion she would not have left the phone on the bench if she was moving far away from it - so if she went in accidentally I would expect it to be a spot near the bench.and as can be seen on the map, it's pretty close to the bench spot but further upstream
and we already know, police have acknowledged that even if she went in the river, they can't be sure whether she went in at the bench spot or further upstream, so they searched a stretch upstream in the last few days. ( Faulding searched it too)
So all the stuff about ' it's not deep enough at the bench spot' amounts to very little.
St Michaels Angling Association told the Times it's very dangerous - the whole stretch
LE have said that 'a mass ' could easily go over the weir ( river becomes tidal from there)
He has been a massive source of misinformation for over a week.There are a lot of posts saying how deep the water was where she may or may not have gone in.
Prove that the water was high on that day and at that time?
"He [Peter Faulding] shows me a picture on his mobile phone of how shallow the water is at the spot where Nicola’s mobile phone was left, and where the police believe she might have entered the river.
‘It’s even more shallow now but on the day it would have been around two feet deep, if she slipped she would have gone in and hit rock very quickly and been up to her thigh, that’s all,’ he says. ‘This is not drowning territory.’
He also disagrees with the suggestion that she might have hit her head on a rock and lost consciousness, and that her body could have been washed round the river bend to the nearby weir...."
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Dive expert makes huge claim about Nicola Bulley's disappearance
KATHRYN KNIGHT: Peter Faulding has amassed a number of impressive qualifications in the course of his life, but he has one particular talent for which there is no formal certificate.www.dailymail.co.uk