Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #13

[Interested_But_Confused]

has anyone seen or discussed this article by sky news - its interesting the map shows the footpath goes all the way to Garstang road via between Rowanwater and the river wyre


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I'm almost positive that's wrong. Everything I've seen has said the section of river alongside Rowanwater is a private path, only accessible from Rowanwater, and the path ends roughly at the point where the red "Last seen here..." label is placed.

 

[Liverpool86]

Thoughts on the two ‘suspicious’ men spotted and red van owner. Surely they would have come forward to clear themselves by now if they had done nothing wrong?

 

[Mr X]

I’m not sure how much credence to put on his statements. According to the gauges there was barely 10cm difference in level: River Wyre at St Michaels: River level and flood alerts
The river is only tidal up to the weir which is downstream of the bench. It is a rare occurrence for the tidal flow to breach the weir.

I was quite interested by the gaugemap data for a place further up the Wyre at Garstang.

The levels do go up and down. If this is not the tide then it must be extraction or rain. Seems regular which makes me think extraction is happening. Possibly a reservoir feed IMO.

It is only a few inches up and down but there is a regular up and down happening.


Gaugemap for Garstang (I cropped the image)

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[DazN]

but the red line on the map is just outside the fence of the Rowanwater isn't it? i.e. not going through the Rowanwater premisis

If you go into Google Maps Street View you can look at some 360' photos in the field:

Link

 

[kittythehare]

There are specialist water recovery search dogs that sit on boats or work along the water’s edge and indicate when they detect human/cadaver related scents from released gases (as seen in photos from this search).

I would imagine some cadaver dogs would also do this from the water’s edge - but am not sure if they are trained for it specifically. My guess would be that given that most search/detection dogs are trained to only indicate ‘at source’ my guess would be that a handler would note a point of interest as a dog tried to locate the scent - but that they wouldn’t indicate a clear find. (Hence the need for dogs trained in water recovery)

I’m not sure how many specialist water search dogs there are in the UK, or indeed cadaver dogs - my understanding is that both can be very challenging to train and qualify for as a civilian/volunteer, given the availability of scent for training and the levels of training, confidence and certification needed for a dog whose ‘evidence’ may be needed in court.

More info on drowned victim search dogs at Home - The National Search And Rescue Dog Association

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[SteelyGlint]

I was quite interested by the gaugemap data for a place further up the Wyre at Garstang.

The levels do go up and down. If this is not the tide then it must be extraction or rain. Seems regular which makes me think extraction is happening. Possibly a reservoir feed IMO.

It is only a few inches up and down but there is a regular up and down happening. View attachment 403000


Gaugemap for Garstang (I cropped the image)

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Yes, it’s quite common, extraction, sewage dumping etc. The Lancaster Canal also crosses the Wyre and one of it’s feeders, the Brock, both upstream.

 

[Firstsnow4]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625815434153934849

 

[vchk]

If you go into Google Maps Street View you can look at some 360' photos in the field:

Link

yes found it, you are correct

 

[Davieson]

I'm almost positive that's wrong. Everything I've seen has said the section of river alongside Rowanwater is a private path, only accessible from Rowanwater, and the path ends roughly at the point where the red "Last seen here..." label is placed.

Yes, Streetmap shows the public footpath looping back at the of the Top Field and not continuing onto Garstang Road.

Location Map.

Location map of st michaels on wyre.

www.streetmap.co.uk

Increase the scale 1 level for the green path

 

[markoid]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625815434153934849

Divers in the water, 5 hours after her disappearance...

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Does anyone know where this is on a map? And what is the function of a pumping station? Thanks

I'm not sure where that is on the map, but the usual purpose of a pumping station is to move water or waste. Sometimes a pumping station is directly over a well and used to draw water from the well. Sometimes it's draining water from the land. Sometimes it's drawing water from a river and moving it somewhere else. Sometimes it's part of the sewer system. The list goes on.

 

[Purplepixii]

From that detailed police handout "immediately graded as high risk" still jumps out to me.

 

[CaptainNancy]

The Press Conference is upstaged by the Nicola Sturgeon Press Conference.

 

[Firstsnow4]

I'm not sure where that is on the map, but the usual purpose of a pumping station is to move water or waste. Sometimes a pumping station is directly over a well and used to draw water from the well. Sometimes it's draining water from the land. Sometimes it's drawing water from a river and moving it somewhere else. Sometimes it's part of the sewer system. The list goes on.

Thanks - so it wouldn’t be directly connected to the river wyre?

 

[Springplease]

Apologies if this has already been put up but haven’t had time to catch up yet. Here’s a link from the independent

Nicola Bulley’s partner feels ‘lack of willpower’ among police

Paul Ansell ‘appalled’ after police ignored his suggestions, forensic expert says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[kittythehare]

This is a good article on lost persons searches.

An agent-based model reveals lost person behavior based on data from wilderness search and rescue - Scientific Reports

Thousands of people are reported lost in the wilderness in the United States every year and locating these missing individuals as rapidly as possible depends on coordinated search and rescue (SAR) operations. As time passes, the search area grows, survival rate decreases, and searchers are faced...

www.nature.com

 

[Springplease]

Nicola Bulley: Police to give update in press conference today – latest

Police say main line of investigation – that Bulley fell into River Wyre – remains unchanged

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Enigmacode]

has anyone seen or discussed this article by sky news - its interesting the map shows the footpath goes all the way to Garstang road via between Rowanwater and the river wyre


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Yes, it’s what I was querying, there’s also a road that leads down to the top of the upper field, extension of Garstang Road by Rowanwater.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625815434153934849

Interested what their rationale for high risk classification - I know ‘we’ know all the different reasons why….but specifically why NB was classified as high risk

 

[Enigmacode]

The Press Conference is upstaged by the Nicola Sturgeon Press Conference.

Yes! Not the Nicola I was looking for 4.2 K waiting on Sky News!