Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[Furore]

Am getting so heartbroken for family and the feeding frenzy surrounding this case.

There has clearly been a communication and trust breakdown between police and family/friends. Reminds me oddly of some of the medical cases like that of Archie battersby (?spelling) recently - family could just not agree with the professionals and were constantly in the news.

There is no part of anyone who wants their loved ones to have passed, the brain is incredibly inventive in this way IMO especially without concrete evidence. It is also going to be incredibly hard to process information etc in this acute, maddening, grief and fear.

Really despise sections of media for blowing minor comments into headlines but it’s what they do.

I’m glad her work and boss are staying out of it like they should be. You don’t need to talk to the press to help Nicola and her family.

PF is a volunteer basically, I’m not sure why he would be given further details, also he was the one who claimed he could find her if she were in the river, with his sonar, and not sure that needs police investigation details to turn on either. If I were in charge of this investigation (I’m in no way part of LE!!) I wouldn’t tell him anything, he’s on a podcast now?! Police and SGI have obviously parted company on slightly ugly terms IMO.

DM hire experts to stir the pot I swear, the ones they use in my profession are considered wildly discredited and outrageous.

(9Doesn’t mean I don’t believe PF and his sonar in addition to the police divers, have correctly identified she is not in that section of the river.)

 

[wackyw]

How does sensitive back story fit with accidental fall into the river?

I don't think it does, and I couldn't find anything to back up the posters claims/implications from the police pressers. I think I know what the poster was getting at, but I'm not going to engage with that unless I see some police "reference" around it.

 

[Elmobram23]

I noticed in the recent night video that someone uploaded walking in the area (sorry can’t fine the link as it’s a few chats back) that there is the metal gate and also a small step over gate. The person who steps over, their dog follows. I wonder if their dog could go that way to get to the path behind the metal gate. Can anyone verify that?

 

[Willowy]

I'd be interested to know if the string the witness used to tie the dog was something she found in the immediate vicinity, and how did it get there.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

The red dotted you drew line ends at Allotment Lane, where there is believed (from the witness appeals) to be a doorbell camera and where police say they have ruled out NB leaving

The line I drew *starts* at Allotment Lane. If it is a passage you would find yourself down it before passing any houses down Allotment Lane. Depends which house has a doorbell camera, if not on the first two then probably would not capture someone.

 

[GTB72]

So it is at least a possibility to get across the river at the point just after weir on foot. Interesting. I really hope the police get some kind of dash cam footage for the Blackpool lane river path entrance soon.

Apologies I misread your earlier post. You were asking whether the river was affordable between the weir and the Iron Bridge. I don't know is the honest answer. As you know the Police is looking through over 700 pieces of dashcam and that will take a bit of time. Like you, I am keen find out what they come up with.

 

[Deleted member 320164]

9:15? Surely you can’t walk two small fields in five minutes and hadn’t she disappeared between 9:10 and 9:20?

I don’t understand that the man says 9.15 when the police say 9.10.

I have major misgivings that the last person to see her alive turns out not to be a friend as such but an apparently older dog walker (70 years) who appeared to ”know” her from dog walks.

No disrespect to older men but I know what my dad’s facial recognition skills are like!

One woman with mid brown hair in a puffa looks much like another and there are loads of us all over the country.

Is it possible that he mistook her for someone very similar or he mistook the day. Did he actually have a conversation with her?

 

[GTB72]

Apologies I misread your earlier post. You were asking whether the river was affordable between the weir and the Iron Bridge. I don't know is the honest answer. As you know the Police is looking through over 700 pieces of dashcam and that will take a bit of time. Like you, I am keen find out what they come up with.

Edited by me. Fordable.

 

[MrsWatson]

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ebm clarity

 

[rosieposie121]

I'd be interested to know if the string the witness used to tie the dog was something she found in the immediate vicinity, and how did it get there.

There seems to be strong emphasis on keeping dogs tied up on leads round that area. Could the lady have the string with the pure intention of tieing up the dog in the first place as it was off its lead...

 

[MrsWatson]

I'd be interested to know if the string the witness used to tie the dog was something she found in the immediate vicinity, and how did it get there.

I'd be interested in seeing a link to show the dog was tied with string. TIA.

 

[cottonweaver]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ...in that TA post - now covered in msm ( Mail) - if LE don't give every detail to the family, how can TA be sure that LE already have not, for instance , checked the gauging station on the river bank or checked the abandoned house on the opposite river bank.

Do you see what I'm saying?

 

[cottonweaver]

Am getting so heartbroken for family and the feeding frenzy surrounding this case.

There has clearly been a communication and trust breakdown between police and family/friends. Reminds me oddly of some of the medical cases like that of Archie battersby (?spelling) recently - family could just not agree with the professionals and were constantly in the news.

There is no part of anyone who wants their loved ones to have passed, the brain is incredibly inventive in this way IMO especially without concrete evidence. It is also going to be incredibly hard to process information etc in this acute, maddening, grief and fear.

Really despise sections of media for blowing minor comments into headlines but it’s what they do.

I’m glad her work and boss are staying out of it like they should be. You don’t need to talk to the press to help Nicola and her family.

PF is a volunteer basically, I’m not sure why he would be given further details, also he was the one who claimed he could find her if she were in the river, with his sonar, and not sure that needs police investigation details to turn on either. If I were in charge of this investigation (I’m in no way part of LE!!) I wouldn’t tell him anything, he’s on a podcast now?! Police and SGI have obviously parted company on slightly ugly terms IMO.

DM hire experts to stir the pot I swear, the ones they use in my profession are considered wildly discredited and outrageous.

(9Doesn’t mean I don’t believe PF and his sonar in addition to the police divers, have correctly identified she is not in that section of the river.)

and the case of Charlie Gard before that - ended up with SM followers harassing staff at Great Ormond Stree Hospital
Toxic media cycle was a factor in that case too

 

[Mollie123]

Predictive text! What the hell is comestibles‍

Thank you for this much needed smile.

 

[Tanzanite]

I can understand now why the police were initially reluctant to use the private search group. SGI have been very vocal since they were brought in to help, putting out all manner of different statements without being party to all the information that the police have. It risks creating a disharmony in public communications and, without anything to show for it so far, perhaps the police should have stubbornly stuck to only using police resources.

Nicola Bulley: Dive team pull out as search extended

Divers say Nicola Bulley is "categorically not" in the section of river where police think she fell.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yes. I can imagine some tough conversations behind closed doors about bringing SGI onboard in the first place. This is probably one of the undesirable scenarios envisaged, not finding any trace of NB, and as you put it well: 'disharmony in public communication.'

Damned if they do, etc. I think on this one.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

Am getting so heartbroken for family and the feeding frenzy surrounding this case.

There has clearly been a communication and trust breakdown between police and family/friends. Reminds me oddly of some of the medical cases like that of Archie battersby (?spelling) recently - family could just not agree with the professionals and were constantly in the news.

There is no part of anyone who wants their loved ones to have passed, the brain is incredibly inventive in this way IMO especially without concrete evidence. It is also going to be incredibly hard to process information etc in this acute, maddening, grief and fear.

Really despise sections of media for blowing minor comments into headlines but it’s what they do.

I’m glad her work and boss are staying out of it like they should be. You don’t need to talk to the press to help Nicola and her family.

PF is a volunteer basically, I’m not sure why he would be given further details, also he was the one who claimed he could find her if she were in the river, with his sonar, and not sure that needs police investigation details to turn on either. If I were in charge of this investigation (I’m in no way part of LE!!) I wouldn’t tell him anything, he’s on a podcast now?! Police and SGI have obviously parted company on slightly ugly terms IMO.

DM hire experts to stir the pot I swear, the ones they use in my profession are considered wildly discredited and outrageous.

(9Doesn’t mean I don’t believe PF and his sonar in addition to the police divers, have correctly identified she is not in that section of the river.)

Had similar thoughts today. There is obviously a difference of ‘opinion’ between police and the family this must just add so much to the heartbreak and fear they must be feeling. Must be suffocating.

 

[jackal67]

There seems to be strong emphasis on keeping dogs tied up on leads round that area. Could the lady have the string with the pure intention of tieing up the dog in the first place as it was off its lead...

possible yes

 

[cottonweaver]

Yes. I can imagine some tough conversations behind closed doors about bringing SGI onboard in the first place. This is probably one of the undesirable scenarios envisaged, not finding any trace of NB, and as you put it well: 'disharmony in public communication.'

Damned if they do, etc. I think on this one.

Family in awkward spot too
PF over-sold his claims via msm. ( that he could search the river in one day, that the investigation was remiss, then later that he could search 10 miles in one day, that he could ' eliminate' whether NB ever fell in... all these claims were before he got permission to assist)
If you're grieving and somebody is selling a miracle solution, you'll be tempted. Human nature. Family in great distress

 

[Truthfinder01]

yes but in that TA post - now covered in msm ( Mail) - if LE don't give every detail to the family, how can TA be sure that LE already have not, for instance , checked the gauging station on the river bank or checked the abandoned house on the river bank.

Do you see what I'm saying?

I would hope the police would share this information with the family, I really don’t see any reasonable explanation for not doing so. As TA stated because this is not yet a criminal investigation the police do not have the authority to enter and search buildings.

 

[jackal67]

yes but in that TA post - now covered in msm ( Mail) - if LE don't give every detail to the family, how can TA be sure that LE already have not, for instance , checked the gauging station on the river bank or checked the abandoned house on the river bank.

Do you see what I'm saying?

exactly. TA will not have every detail of the Investigation,