Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[Becky53]

Right! Hit the nail on the head. Where is all the info. originally coming from?

IMO I don’t think the friend Tilly Ann helped with the updated Facebook post yesterday which she has now apologised for.

I feel there should be just one spokesperson for the family involved so there are no crossed wires. JMO

It comes after a family friend of Nicola Bulley has also been forced to apologise to police after claiming they had failed to search an abandoned house near where missing mum went missing.

Ann attempted to blame the police and media as she made an impassioned plea on social media for the property to be searched. But she has now apologised and said she was withdrawing from social media blaming comments and accusations that followed her outburst.

In an impassion Facebook post Tily Ann had said:' The abandoned house and outbuildings have not been searched as it is not currently a crime investigation !!!! (This should have been done straight away!)

But later the friend was forced to make a grovelling apology for getting her facts wrong.

She wrote on Facebook:' I would like to apologies for the confusion regarding the house.I was told last night it hadn't been searched but then tonight it was confirmed to me it has now in fact been searched.

'I apologies profusely if I've caused aby upset, this was absolutely not my intention.

'The whole purpose of this post is to make sure people understood the little details that were getting mixed up by the media/police and to hopefully answer everyone;s questions.

Amateur sleuths looking for Nicola Bulley stopped from searching house

Police are said to have handed a dispersal order to a group of men who had travelled 50 miles from the Liverpool area to St Michael's on Wyre yesterday evening.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 320164]

Peter Faulding actually changed his mind about and later said it was possible Nicola could have been washed further downstream.

I'm not an expert as such but have spent about 40 years around tidal rivers in the UK. I still maintain she was probably washed into the estuary within a few days of her falling in (as I believe she did). We shall see. I just hope the family get closure soon.

I have no particular expertise beyond living near a tidal river all my life - I just don’t see a body getting to the estuary at that kind of speed.

Even in much bigger faster rivers than the Wyre, bodies can turn up a month later only 1-3 miles from where they started.

Upstream it’s a slow meandering river with plenty of places for bodies to lodge, I’m not even convinced she would have gone over the weir. If she had people probably would have seen her given the search going on.

 

[PeggyHenry]

Can anyone explain the 9.20 sighting on the Lancashire police website? I thought it was a mistake on their more recent article and report it but they still haven’t taken it down. Supposedly a sighting on the river path towards Garstang road, at the same time her phone is on the bench?

Lancashire Constabulary - MFH Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

www.lancashire.police.uk

No and it doesn’t feature in their timeline towards the bottom of the update. It has never been mentioned so I wonder why.. unless an error

 

[EvaP]

No one seems to be considering that Nicola might actually have committed suicide...


<modsnip: no links to information stated as fact> The police seem absolutely certain she in the water and hinted at the press conference they have more evidence that points to that... could she have taken a load of pills with her from the house that morning? Left a suicide note or sent a text ?

Seems the Police know exactly why she's in the river, just with holding that evidence back from the public snd media for whatever reason

They did state accidental being a possibility

 

[crazychris]

I couldn't disagree more. There are no conspiracies here.

The police have to go with the most likely explanation, in the absence of any other evidence. And I agree with them here.

Am not saying it's a conspiracy but they seem very certain. They must know more than has been made public and it's not just eliminating exit routes etc. If it's personal of course they won't make it public. Why should they? People keep saying things don't add up, even the private searcher said that. That's because we're not told something they know.

 

[Night Shift]

I have no particular expertise beyond living near a tidal river all my life - I just don’t see a body getting to the estuary at that kind of speed.

Even in much bigger faster rivers than the Wyre, bodies can turn up a month later only 1-3 miles from where they started.

Upstream it’s a slow meandering river with plenty of places for bodies to lodge, I’m not even convinced she would have gone over the weir. If she had people probably would have seen her given the search going on.

The estuary is less than 10 miles downstream of the weir, and the weir is only just downstream of the bench area.

Even using a flow rate speed of a quarter of a mile an hour (the Wyre actually flows at about 2 MPH this time of year) a body could be at the estuary within 2 days of the bench area - well ahead of the searchers.

 

[cottonweaver]

Friday 3rd February. I thought the last known sighting was 9.10? This is doing my head in.

At the next press conference a journalist needs to ask about this

 

[Allabouttrial]

IMO I don’t think the friend Tilly Ann helped with the updated Facebook post yesterday which she has now apologised for.

I feel there should be just one spokesperson for the family involved so there are no crossed wires. JMO

It comes after a family friend of Nicola Bulley has also been forced to apologise to police after claiming they had failed to search an abandoned house near where missing mum went missing.

Ann attempted to blame the police and media as she made an impassioned plea on social media for the property to be searched. But she has now apologised and said she was withdrawing from social media blaming comments and accusations that followed her outburst.

In an impassion Facebook post Tily Ann had said:' The abandoned house and outbuildings have not been searched as it is not currently a crime investigation !!!! (This should have been done straight away!)

But later the friend was forced to make a grovelling apology for getting her facts wrong.

She wrote on Facebook:' I would like to apologies for the confusion regarding the house.I was told last night it hadn't been searched but then tonight it was confirmed to me it has now in fact been searched.

'I apologies profusely if I've caused aby upset, this was absolutely not my intention.

'The whole purpose of this post is to make sure people understood the little details that were getting mixed up by the media/police and to hopefully answer everyone;s questions.

Amateur sleuths looking for Nicola Bulley stopped from searching house

Police are said to have handed a dispersal order to a group of men who had travelled 50 miles from the Liverpool area to St Michael's on Wyre yesterday evening.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks for the link. Also, from the link:

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Heather, who has been speaking on behalf of the family, said she had personally spoken to the owner and he had searched the abandoned house and derelict outbuildings.

She said on Facebook: 'Here are some facts that need to be known.

'It's not abandoned. Its owned by a lovely family who have lived in this village for generations and would do anything they can to help in the search for Nikki.

'It has been searched, inside and outside, from top to bottom by the police. I have clarified this with the family themselves and also with the police. They have never refused entry to the police or told them they need a warrant to search'.

And in a warning to the public she added last night: 'Tonight multiple police units are out in St Michaels dealing with people trespassing, not only on this families land but also others. We are at the point where people coming to 'help' look for Nikki in this way is actually doing the complete opposite'.

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[Cranky]

I've been thinking and thinking .....if NB did end up in the water how and why. I can't believe that I've missed the most obvious. What if she fell over the dog. NB stops to put the harness on, turns and the dog is right there. Phone goes one way, harness another and NB who has tried to fall so that she doesn't fall on the dog rolls down the slope and into the river.

 

[OrlandoJames]

The police seem so convinced that she went in the river so they must have some as yet undisclosed sensitive reason for thinking that. Something about Nicola's behaviour that morning or in her recent past or something from her fitbit or phone. Something they didn't even tell the private searchers. I bet if they told us we'd all say it made absolute sense why they think she went in. Now whether the family knows is another matter. Have they said very recently that they still think she didn't go in the water?

It’s likely just because the police know when a human being disappears without a trace next to a body of water, it’s almost always because they went into the water. The fact that Nicola’s phone was found on a bench near the water, her dog was found in a distressed state near the water and CCTV footage seems to confirm she didn’t leave the area, would appear to reinforce this. It does not prove that she went into the water, so obviously other explanations cannot be completely ruled out at this stage. I don’t think the police have evidence they’re not sharing - they’re just using logic and precedent to establish an informed view.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

The police seem so convinced that she went in the river so they must have some as yet undisclosed sensitive reason for thinking that. Something about Nicola's behaviour that morning or in her recent past or something from her fitbit or phone. Something they didn't even tell the private searchers. Maybe only a few on the investigation team knows even. I bet if they told us we'd all say it made absolute sense why they think she went in. Now whether the family knows is another matter. Have they said very recently that they still think she didn't go in the water?

If they have additional "sensitive" information about NB I cannot think why they would not release it. It would stop a lot of the speculation and in-person sleuthing. The public could be reassured there is no third party. People go missing all the time and police usually reveal information such as "they are vulerable" or "after a family argument" and these people are not thought to be deceased and are found and carry on with their lives. If the police are so sure NB went in the water, then she would be deceased and the information would not be sensitive. It would be heard at a public inquest anyway.

The only exceptions I can think of is if the information directly relates to someone else or is business sensitive (or part of a criminal investigation).

 

[PeggyHenry]

Missing dog walker Nicola Bulley’s final text before she disappeared revealed

The 45-year-old mother of two arranged a playdate with a friend just minutes before she disappeared

www.independent.co.uk

9 Feb 2023

[..]

Just half an hour earlier, the mother of two had texted a friend to book a playdate. She sent the message at 8.57am shortly before logging into the Teams call, locals at a village meeting were told.

[..]

Ms Bulley had just dropped her two daughters, aged six and nine, at school on Friday morning.

The last known sighting of Ms Bulley was at 9.10am. Some 25 minutes later, her phone and the dog’s harness were found on a riverside bench. Her springer spaniel, Willow, appeared distressed.

Her Strava account shows that the route where she was last seen was one she frequently used, as she often shared photos of her riverside runs with Willow.

On average, it would take her 30 minutes to complete her regular route and return to her car. She had parked in the same spot about “1000 times over” throughout the years, her family have said.

No … according to police statement 6 th Feb the last known sighting appears to be 9.20 am in the upper field.
This is a change. And yet previously they said the phone was located at bench at. 9.20
This is getting really confusing now

 

[wackyw]

Nicola Bulley dive expert reveals video ‘proof’ she didn’t fall into the river

A DIVING expert who led a search for Nicola Bulley claims he has video “proof” she did not fall in the river. Nicola, 45, was last seen in St Michael’s on Wyre, Lancashire, a…

www.thesun.co.uk

Also ...

I've re-read my previous reply to your linking of the video, and I can see it as as reply to you personally as you agreeing with his words. My apologies.

That's not what I meant to imply, my words were just what I thought of it.
I hope this makes sense !!!!

 

[Esse123]

the river was very shallow at the bottom of the slope, its been searched three times by professionals - she surely did not go in at the bench area. Does anyone know if this has had a mention on websleuths live?

 

[cottonweaver]

giving another plug for the link to the last press conference Tuesday - just re the river

'As I said on Friday, the river is a complex area to search
it's not a still water, it's a fast flowing, moving water that is tidal in parts and, as acknowledged by some of the many national search advisors and experts that we've been consulting throughout, this makes it particularly complex.

We have already discounted particular areas of the river but as they are tidal, we have re-searched them to ensure that nothing has been washed back into those search areas. This is why you may see some areas already searched being re-searched, for no other reason than it is tidal.

We have 6 people searching the riverbanks every day. These are specially trained search officers who are very experienced, both in missing people enquiries and in other enquiries, who are systematically and methodically searching the riverbank and the open ground. We also have a number of divers from the regional underwater search unit and they are working with SGI and the other partners that I have mentioned to search the river itself.


We remain very grateful to all of our partners and the wider community for the help they've given. In particular, and I've mentioned some of these in the past, this includes His Majesty's Coast Guard, Lancashire Fire Rescue, Lancaster area and Bowland Mountain Rescue, other forces and national experts in different fields, as well as the Specialist Group International or SGI, who have offered their assistance to the family, free of charge, and have been working under the direction of our local police search teams, to help us.

Our work around the search of the river and the riverbank continues and this includes many pieces of different technical equipment, including sonar, pole cameras, drones, underwater drones, and so on, as well as specialist dogs.

full transcript - this is from the Media Thread ( all clips, links, transcripts you might want to check out )

UK - Nicola Bulley, St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 27, 2023 *MEDIA, MAPS, & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION*

www.websleuths.com

 

[Seattle1]

Nicola Bulley: Witness comes forward in search for missing mum

Police have traced a woman in a yellow coat who was walking on Garstang Road on 27 January.

www.bbc.com

5 Feb 2023

Police said their "working hypothesis is that she has fallen into the river for some reason", adding there was "no evidence" of anything suspicious.

Supt Sally Riley, of Lancashire Police, told The Sunday Times that officers found "no evidence of a slip or fall" near the bench where Nicola's mobile phone was found but said falling from a sheer riverbank may leave no trace.

"I think if it had been a sloping bank, a common-sense view would be that you would expect to find scuff marks," Supt Riley said.

"If it is sheer and you lose your footing, you might not have any marks left on the grass. All of that has been subjected to a detailed search."

[..]

Detectives said they were "as confident as we can be that Nicola has not left the field where she was last seen, and our working hypothesis is that she has fallen into the river for some reason".

"Our investigation remains open and we will of course act on any new information which comes to light."

They said that social media speculation and abuse aimed at some people assisting the investigation was "totally unacceptable".

 

[Luke84]

The three significant events to occur for her to fall into the river, drown and still not be recovered are in isolation all plausible but when linked together become very unfortunate and unlikely:

1. How did she even end up in the river? It's broad daylight, she knows the area well, not intoxicated. It's cold, so she has no incentive to go anywhere near the water. Is it to recover a toy? Seems unlikely. There may have been a landslip but then surely LE would have been able to determine that.

2. She couldn't rescue herself and nobody was around. I struggle to assess that myself. It's been suggested here it takes 30 seconds to drown with her clothes on. She may have had a medical episode or cold shock. However she clearly is a fit individual and good swimmer. In panic she could have tried to swim along the river to exit at a better point but given the temperature it seems unwise. There were no obvious signs on the riverbank showing a struggle. Overall difficult to say but feels really unfortunate, especially considering there was nobody in the vicinity to assist or hear any screams.

3. No recovery. The search appears to be swift, extensive and expertly carried out. Close to the site they expected her to have gone in the water, and further along. There are zero traces of any clothing or jewellery. Again I cannot judge that but again low probability event for me.

This sequence is either highly unfortunate or it just didn't happen that way.

 

[GTB72]

No … according to police statement 6 th Feb the last known sighting appears to be 9.20 am in the upper field.
This is a change. And yet previously they said the phone was located at bench at. 9.20
This is getting really confusing now

Utterly baffling.

 

[PeggyHenry]

The more recent one also references a 9.20 sighting, but in a different location (which I again assumed was a mistake but no edit).

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

Yet the timeline at the bottom of the statement makes no mention of the 9.20 sighting but does say the phone is located at bench st 9.20!!!
This is not making sense. Dyou think they have made a mistake in the statement.

 

[ayrshireguy]

No one seems to be considering that Nicola might actually have committed suicide...


<modsnip: no links to information stated as fact> The police seem absolutely certain she in the water and hinted at the press conference they have more evidence that points to that... could she have taken a load of pills with her from the house that morning? Left a suicide note or sent a text ?

Seems the Police know exactly why she's in the river, just with holding that evidence back from the public snd media for whatever reason

A note or an email to indicate that was NB's intention that morning would be information that is giving the police the confidence to state that NB went into the river with no suspicious circumstances.