UK - Nurse duped by prankster regarding royal, found dead.

[jjenny]

People who die suddenly from natural causes don't live notes, as she reportedly did.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Again, I despise "humiliation humor" but I find it hard to believe it was the sole reason a woman killed herself.

That's the thing! We don't even no if she killed herself, as there is no official cause of death. So at this time people are just speculating. Based off of all the events.

 

[LietKynes]

I'm starting to 'back off' the dj's a bit. What they did was insensitive and at the age level of maybe 12 yr-olds; but that nurse didn't have to kill herself for that !
All I can say is I'm sorry for her family, ESPECIALLY her kids !
If you are so blessed to have children --- think of them, and do everything you can to love and protect them from a world that can be cruel ! All her children have now is photos and maybe some home videos of their mom.
So senseless.

Wanted to add that like Blue_Dolphin said, we still do not know the cause of death !

I also wanted to know what the hospital administrators may have said to Jacintha.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Well...she left a note

http://www.news.com.au/world/nurse-...-note-for-family/story-fndir2ev-1226534947797

And the radio station is contributing to the family's 'fund'

"A minimum contribution of $500,000 will be made to an appropriate memorial fund which will directly benefit the family.

Southern Cross Austereo CEO Rhys Holleran said: "We are very sorry for what has happened. It is a terrible tragedy and our thoughts continue to be with the family.

"We hope that by contributing to a memorial fund we can help to provide the Saldanha family with the support they need at this very difficult time."

The whole 'family fund' part of this story really really bothers me! KA-CHING!!!

Why does that bother you? She was the only breadmaker in the family What is her family suppose to do without her for survival? IF she did kill herself and that is a big IF the family is going to be hurting financially. I am still not convinced this is a suicide. But like I said if it is, the family has no way to support themselves. And its the very least the radio station can do.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I see that she left a note. disregard the not being a suicide posts

 

[SapphireSteel]

If this witch hunt continues we'll have two suicidal Australian DJ's...does anyone want that? Everyone is criticising the "prank" but bullying the DJ's themselves, without even realising the irony and the effect their attacks arehaving on these two young people who are now trapped in a nightmare.

They were just doing their jobs as instructed, as we all do, every day.

They do not deserve the sort of horrific bullying they are recieving in the press, or on various forums. They are young, innocent, and absolutely gutted at this nurse's actions. Do people wish them dead too?

And there is no way one screw up at works results in a suicide. No way in HELL.

There's more to this than meets the eye.

Last time I checked suicide was actually illegal, so why isn't anyone bashing the nurse for breaking the law and leaving her two kids without a mother? Oh and doing it in the home, so the kids could come home and find her body?

 

[zippitydoda]

SapphireSteel: If this witch hunt continues we'll have two suicidal Australian DJ's...does anyone want that? Everyone is criticising the "prank" but bullying the DJ's themselves, without even realising the irony and the effect their attacks arehaving on these two young people who are now trapped in a nightmare.

They were just doing their jobs as instructed, as we all do, every day.

They do not deserve the sort of horrific bullying they are recieving in the press, or on various forums. They are young, innocent, and absolutely gutted at this nurse's actions. Do people wish them dead too?


There's more to this than meets the eye.

Last time I checked suicide was actually illegal, so why isn't anyone bashing the nurse for breaking the law and leaving her two kids without a mother? Oh and doing it in the home, so the kids could come home and find her body?

BBM... IMO - Compassion. For what ever reason, this woman may have been in her darkest hour before she took her life. Its just sad all around.

And there is no way one screw up at works results in a suicide. No way in HELL.

You started your post off with "we'll have two suicidal Australian DJ's" if this is just a work screw up - using that logic above, then no way in hell would they do that.

 

[jjenny]

If this witch hunt continues we'll have two suicidal Australian DJ's...does anyone want that? Everyone is criticising the "prank" but bullying the DJ's themselves, without even realising the irony and the effect their attacks arehaving on these two young people who are now trapped in a nightmare.

...

Well, if there is no way that one screw up at work results in suicide, then we are not going to have two suicidal DJs, are we? I fail to see why you would be worried about them. And by the way, nurse didn't do it at home. There was no chance children were going to come home and find her.

 

[SapphireSteel]

BBM... IMO - Compassion. For what ever reason, this woman may have been in her darkest hour before she took her life. Its just sad all around.



You started your post off with "we'll have two suicidal Australian DJ's" if this is just a work screw up - using that logic above, then no way in hell would they do that.

I have plenty of compassion for her children that she has left without a mother.

I'm sorry but I have seen some disgusting things said about these young DJs, even on this thread. They have lost their jobs just in time for Christmas, all due to following orders, and have been openly hated by the world for days now.

There has even been a call for the DP!

Does no one have compassion for these young people? The nurse killed herself, people do it every single day, God knows why...so why throw the baby out with the bathwater? Why create 3 victims instead of 1 volunteer?

The prank wasn't even a cruel one! It was silly and funny, until it wasnt.

From a country that has brought us Howard Stern and Punk'd, I would have thought there woiuld be more compassion for the living who have been victimised beyond all reason.

Everyone laughed at Candid Camera, remember? This prank was no more malicious than that high rating show that continued for years and everyone thought was hysterically funny.

No one "makes" someone kill themselves.

That woman's mind was unbalanced.

ETA: she left a note, I bet we won't get to hear what it says, but I will bet my house that it does NOT say

"I got pranked at work so my life is over, goodbye".

 

[gitana1]

I have plenty of compassion for her children that she has left without a mother.

I'm sorry but I have seen some disgusting things said about these young DJs, even on this thread. They have lost their jobs just in time for Christmas, all due to following orders, and have been openly hated by the world for days now.

There has even been a call for the DP!

Does no one have compassion for these young people? The nurse killed herself, people do it every single day, God knows why...so why throw the baby out with the bathwater? Why create 3 victims instead of 1 volunteer?

The prank wasn't even a cruel one! It was silly and funny, until it wasnt.

From a country that has brought us Howard Stern and Punk'd, I would have thought there woiuld be more compassion for the living who have been victimised beyond all reason.

Everyone laughed at Candid Camera, remember? This prank was no more malicious than that high rating show that continued for years and everyone thought was hysterically funny.

No one "makes" someone kill themselves.

That woman's mind was unbalanced.

ETA: she left a note, I bet we won't get to hear what it says, but I will bet my house that it does NOT say

"I got pranked at work so my life is over, goodbye".

First of all, many people found the prank disgusting and commented that it was, long before the nurse killed herself. I'm not sure why people are forgetting that. Second, Candid Camera never breached or attempted to breach the personal medical histories of the person being pranked. Third, who is saying on this thread that the DJ's should be killed or that they should kill themselves?

They lost their jobs. I do not disagree with that. I think it is high time that all media accept consequences for hounding and stalking famous people. However, I think whoever came up with the prank and whoever decided to air it should be fired as well. Apparently, these people were only part of the decisions and yet they are taking the entire fall for the prank. Everyone involved should face the consequences of "fun"pranks that seek to or do invade the personal privacy of others.

Fourth, of course no one made this nurse kill herself. She chose to do that. And I do think that she must have had underlying issues. However, that's why people need to be careful with pranks, especially when those pranks have to do with the privacy of another. People who do not live in a nation with royalty have little understanding of how serious a matter like this - an employee allowing a royal's privacy to be breached - is. A person with some issues could definitely go over the deep end when something like that is at stake.

I like jokes. I like parody and pranks. I don;t like, however, this strain of cruelty, invasion of privacy and overall lack of common decency that seems to pervade our airwaves right now. I think this prank included two of those elements - invasion of privacy and cruelty. Because that is someone's job you are messing with for potential ratings.

Yes the DJ's could not anticipate what later occurred with the suicide. But they could anticipate that a person's private medical info might get released and that employees might lose their jobs if that happened. It did, now they have lost their own jobs and it's time to move on, IMO.

Maybe I'm missing something and admittedly, I have not read through the whole thread, but is anyone on here calling for these people's death? Come on.

 

[SapphireSteel]

First of all, many people found the prank disgusting and commented that it was, long before the nurse killed herself. I'm not sure why people are forgetting that. Second, Candid Camera never breached or attempted to breach the personal medical histories of the person being pranked. Third, who is saying on this thread that the DJ's should be killed or that they should kill themselves?

They lost their jobs. I do not disagree with that. I think it is high time that all media accept consequences for hounding and stalking famous people. However, I think whoever came up with the prank and whoever decided to air it should be fired as well. Apparently, these people were only part of the decisions and yet they are taking the entire fall for the prank. Everyone involved should face the consequences of "fun"pranks that seek to or do invade the personal privacy of others.

Fourth, of course no one made this nurse kill herself. She chose to do that. And I do think that she must have had underlying issues. However, that's why people need to be careful with pranks, especially when those pranks have to do with the privacy of another. People who do not live in a nation with royalty have little understanding of how serious a matter like this - an employee allowing a royal's privacy to be breached - is. A person with some issues could definitely go over the deep end when something like that is at stake.

I like jokes. I like parody and pranks. I don;t like, however, this strain of cruelty, invasion of privacy and overall lack of common decency that seems to pervade our airwaves right now. I think this prank included two of those elements - invasion of privacy and cruelty. Because that is someone's job you are messing with for potential ratings.

Yes the DJ's could not anticipate what later occurred with the suicide. But they could anticipate that a person's private medical info might get released and that employees might lose their jobs if that happened. It did, now they have lost their own jobs and it's time to move on, IMO.

Maybe I'm missing something and admittedly, I have not read through the whole thread, but is anyone on here calling for these people's death? Come on.

Absolutely disagree.

In Australia, medical records are the Holy Grail of privacy.

No nurse, or even dish washer, would discuss a patients medical details, as it is a sackable offence here.

The DJ's would have assumed they would get exactly the same short shrift they would get from medical staff here.

Whose fault is it that Jacintha was not trained/aware of the privacy requirements when working as a nurse?

Not the DJ's, that's for sure. They must have been totally amazed when they got through...like calling the White House and asking to speak to Barry.

Did you laugh at Candid Camera all those years it was on?

I bet you did.

 

[gitana1]

:waitasec: How do you teach someone a lesson by killing yourself :what:
Who thinks like this?

I took the poster to mean she wishes that the report of suicide was untrue, a prank to prank the pranksters.

so many celebs have very embarrassing scandals (being caught drunk and naked? anti-semetic rants? leaving a horribly abusive phone message for your own daughter?) and none of them killed themselves... even when private ordinary citizens become news (john william orders who's negligence caused a woman to fall to her death while hang gliding? captain coward who steered the concordia towards shore and killed dozens when the ship sank?) they don't commit suicide...

all she did was put a call through mistakenly...

i don't get it.

Many of those celebs are serious narcissists. They are not likely to be affected by public scandal the way an average citizen, who has never faced the limelight, would.

I suppose you can say, though, that almost anyone who commits suicide is unbalanced - at least at that moment. The question is whether something like this would be enough to tip an otherwise healthy-minded person over the edge.

My feeling is probably not to that degree. I would understand more if it was the nurse whose voice was heard all over the world giving private info to a couple of phonies with terrible accents. But all this lady did was connect the call.

However, and again, this kind of thing is much more serious for a person who lives in a nation that has a royal family. It is also much more serious for persons from certain cultures.

For example, in certain Asian cultures, suicide is much more prevalent than in other cultures. And that's not because they have more inherently suicidal or mentally ill people among those cultures. Instead:

The answer may lie in family. Family is the double-edged sword of the Far East: It is the secret to discipline, obedience, and hard work while at the same time it represents the manifestation of ancestral pride, strict expectations, and intolerance for deviation from traditional values. Family is equally a space for familiarity and comfort as it is for social conditioning and stress.
Within the family, taboo topics such as suicide consequently garner a sense of shame, stigma and isolation. Through the vehicle of strict, harsh, or nagging parents, the guilty conscience of not living up to parental expectations is only the tip of the iceberg that is a much greater psychological behemoth. In many traditional Asian cultures, social-cultural dogmas embody a tacit understanding of individual respect and failure as a
reflection of the family unit; these unforgiving mentalities are prone to overwhelming the life of an overstressed, depressed individual who may be considering suicide.

http://hardboiled.berkeley.edu/archived-issues/issue-12-6/the-asian-suicide-phenomenon/ (Much more at link).

The above is primarily about east Asian cultures and suicide (Saldanha is Asian but not east Asian), but it sheds light on the issue and the same sense of family honor and shame occurs in all of Asia (India is part of Asia).

A depressed or harried or overwhelmed person from one culture who is suddenly faced with a serious embarrassment like this may never contemplate suicide while others in the same frame of mind from different cultures, might think of it immediately. So just because it may seem farfetched to any one of us that nurse who merely connected a call would become that despairing, that does not mean such a person had to be completely mentally imbalanced prior to the incident that caused the person to feel shame.

Our own experiences as informed by our particular personalities, nationalities, and cultures give us some guidelines for how others may react to a given situation but they do not dictate what is normal and what is not.

 

[SapphireSteel]

First of all, many people found the prank disgusting .

Disgusting?

Come on.

Courtenay Stodden and her pedo husband are disgusting.

Sandusky is disgusting.

Child abuse is disgusting.

Two DJ's calling a hospital to ask how the Duchess is feeling, is not "disgusting" in any definition of the word.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I took the poster to mean she wishes that the report of suicide was untrue, a prank to prank the pranksters.



Many of those celebs are serious narcissists. They are not likely to be affected by public scandal the way an average citizen, who has never faced the limelight, would.

I suppose you can say, though, that almost anyone who commits suicide is unbalanced - at least at that moment. The question is whether something like this would be enough to tip an otherwise healthy-minded person over the edge.

My feeling is probably not tot hat degree. I would understand more if it wad the nurse whose voice was heard all over the world giving private info to a couple of phonies with terrible accents. But all this lady did was connect the call.

However, and again, this kind of thing is much more serious for a person who lives in a nation that has a royal family. It is also much more serious for persons from certain cultures.

For example, in certain asian cultures, suicide is much more prevalent than in other cultures. And that's not because they have more inherently suicidal or mentally ill people among those cultures. Instead:http://hardboiled.berkeley.edu/archived-issues/issue-12-6/the-asian-suicide-phenomenon/ (Much more at link).

The above is primarily about east Asian cultures and suicide (Saldanha is Asian but not east Asian), but it sheds light on the issue and the same sense of family honor and shame occurs in all of Asia (India is part of Asia).

A depressed or harried or overwhelmed person from one culture who is suddenly faced with a serious embarrassment like this may never contemplate suicide while others in the same frame of mind from different cultures, might think of it immediately. So just because it may seem farfetched to any one of us that nurse who merely connected a call would become that despairing, that does not mean such a person had to be completely mentally imbalanced prior to the incident that caused the person to feel shame.

Our own experiences as informed by our particular personalities, nationalities, and cultures give us some guidelines for how others may react to a given situation but they do not dictate what is normal and what is not.

Do you know what her suicide note said?

I don't.

But I can guarantee it did NOT say "I was pranked so I'm kiling myself"

That is just insane.

If she was that fragile she had no business working with the public in the health industry in the first place.

 

[gitana1]

Absolutely disagree.

In Australia, medical records are the Holy Grail of privacy.

No nurse, or even dish washer, would discuss a patients medical details, as it is a sackable offence here.

The DJ's would have assumed they would get exactly the same short shrift they would get from medical staff here.

Whose fault is it that Jacintha was not trained/aware of the privacy requirements when working as a nurse?

Not the DJ's, that's for sure. They must have been totally amazed when they got through...like calling the White House and asking to speak to Barry.

Did you laugh at Candid Camera all those years it was on?

I bet you did.

I sure did laugh at candid camera. Again, it was never cruel, it never threatened anyone's job and it never breached anyone's privacy. I made that point already so I'm unsure why you keep bringing it up.

As for whether or not the DJ's could have anticipated getting through and getting private info divulged, well, here's part of the transcript:

Michael Christian: Now Mel, today is a very special day, it's the day a lot of people have been waiting for for a very, very long time.
Mel Greig: There has been speculation for months that Kate Middleton, married to Prince William, is pregnant. And it has been confirmed that she is pregnant, she is in hospital with severe morning sickness, poor little dear.
Christian: The thing is, though, that this condition that she has is often attached to women that are having twins, so maybe not one but two royal babies.
SNIPPED.
Christian: Here's the thing. We've been handed a phone number and we have been told that this phone number is the hospital where Kate Middleton is currently staying. We thought we'd give it a call. We don't want to cause any trouble, we don't want to stress her out because she is doing it tough. But I reckon we could maybe get her on the radio tonight.
Mel Greig: Look, I don't know. I mean everybody will be trying this.
Christian: Well, this is why I've thought of a plan. We can't just ring up and go 'Hi it's MC and Mel from the Summer30, can we chat to Kate?' Hang up. Not gonna happen. You are going to be the Queen...
Greig: This is awesome.
Christian: I'm going to be Prince Charles.
Greig (Queen voice): Hello, I'm the Queen.
SNIPPED
Christian: I'm going to dial this number.
Greig: This is fun, I mean (adopts Queen voice), this is fun.
Christian: So you're going to be the Queen.
Greig: Hello, I'm the Queen.
Christian (in a Prince Charles voice): Hello. Prince Charles over here, mummy.
Greig: Oh, you're Prince Charles, I like your ears.
Christian: Let's give this hospital a call and see if we can get Kate Middleton or maybe even Prince Wills on the phone tonight. So the number is going in ... oh Jeez, I hope this happens.
(PHONE RINGS)
Receptionist: Hello, good morning, King Edward VII Hospital.
Greig (Queen voice): Oh hello there, could I please speak to Kate please, my granddaughter.
Receptionist: Oh yes, just hold on ma'am.
Greig: Thank you.
Christian: Are they putting us through?
Greig: Yes.
(Laughter)
Christian: If this has worked, it's the easiest prank call we have ever made. Your accent sucked, by the way, I just want you to know.
(Laughter)
Greig: I'm not used to playing 80-year-olds. (Phone connects) Kate, my darling, are you there?
Nurse: Good morning, ma'am, this is the nurses station, how may I help you?
Greig: Hello, I'm just after my granddaughter Kate. I wanted to see how her little tummy bug is going.
Nurse: She's sleeping at the moment and has had an uneventful night, and sleep is good for her, as we speak. She's been given some fluids to re-hydrate her because she was quite dehydrated when she came in. But she's stable at the moment.
SNIPPED [AND AFTER GETTING MEDICAL INFO THEY TRY FOR MORE:]
Christian: OK, Lovely. But they're all OK, everything's all right?
Nurse: Yes, she's quite stable at the moment. She hasn't had any retching with me since I've been on duty. And she has been sleeping on and off.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/07/royal-prank-call-transcript_n_2257651.html

 

[gitana1]

Disgusting?

Come on.

Courtenay Stodden and her pedo husband are disgusting.

Sandusky is disgusting.

Child abuse is disgusting.

Two DJ's calling a hospital to ask how the Duchess is feeling, is not "disgusting" in any definition of the word.

I kind of think you should calm down a little. There is no need to argue with me. This ain't war my dear.

I'm just reporting what people said on the internet, that's all. Lots of people were very upset after the call was broadcast BEFORE the suicide. You tried to state that it was all okay until the suicide and that only now has it become a problem. But, that's simply not true. Many people thought it was disgusting:

dis·gust

[dis-guhst, dih-skuhst] Show IPA
verb (used with object) 1. to cause loathing or nausea in.

2. to offend the good taste, moral sense, etc., of; cause extreme dislike or revulsion in: Your vulgar remarks disgust me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disgust
BBM.

I myself find anything that seeks to breach the privacy of another for kicks or rating to be offensive. However, I am not as appalled as others were or are.

 

[21merc7]

In India, the children are thought of in a shame/honor suicide. There are usually large families that are there to care for them, if one must commit this type of act the extended family is to care for any children.

I know in the U.S. and other democratic countries we do not really generally understand this, as it is not what we are taught or believe. We should try to educate ourselves, as we are the Big Melting Pot and others deserve our understanding and respect, and we ask the same.

So, if this were an honor suicide, it is because this woman was shamed in the eyes of herself, her family, and, to make it worse, in the eyes of the entire World.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...amily-Husband-demanding-answers-hospital.html

A post-mortem examination was held yesterday on the body of Mrs Saldanha, who was the first unwitting member of staff at the King Edward VII Hospital in London, where the Duchess of Cambridge was being treated for acute morning sickness, to take the call made by two Australian DJs pretending to be the Queen and Prince Charles.

She passed them on to a second nurse on Kate's ward, who was then duped into giving out details of her medical condition

bbm, She had other issues going on.

And before the family gets any money I as the insurance company would demand to see the 'suicide' note.

 

[Trident]

I kind of think you should calm down a little. There is no need to argue with me. This ain't war my dear.

I'm just reporting what people said on the internet, that's all. Lots of people were very upset after the call was broadcast BEFORE the suicide. You tried to state that it was all okay until the suicide and that only now has it become a problem. But, that's simply not true. Many people thought it was disgusting:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disgust

I myself find anything that seeks to breach the privacy of another for kicks or rating to be offensive. However, I am not as appalled as others were or are.

BBM. Sometimes those who ride a tall horse gotta be careful not to fall off.

I thought Sapphire brought out some good points, and I didn't feel the "prank that went bad" was disgusting at all, but I do find the reaction to it somewhat "disgusting".

My own opinion, of course

 

[Cherwell]

Last time I checked suicide was actually illegal

Not in England. Your information is fifty years out of date.

... so why isn't anyone bashing the nurse for breaking the law and leaving her two kids without a mother? Oh and doing it in the home, so the kids could come home and find her body?

She died in the nurses' accommodation in London, not the family home in Bristol (which is over 100 miles away), so there was no possibility of the children finding her. Your knowledge of the facts of this case appears to be somewhat superficial.