UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[Sundial]

Interesting. I wonder if Dr V or one of the others were providing the same reassurance/de briefs, in the earlier resuses. I so want to see the chart of which doctors responded to each resus request.

Is it Tuesday next hearing was it?

 

[bobbymkii]

Is it Tuesday next hearing was it?

yes. It's a bank/public holiday in England on Monday

 

[Dotta]

It’s very late in your neck of the woods Dotta … I would head to bed.
It’s Tuesday soon :-/

Ooops!
I missed my "beauty sleep"
Again!!!!

Good night then.

 

[Tortoise]

Interesting. I wonder if Dr V or one of the others were providing the same reassurance/de briefs, in the earlier resuses. I so want to see the chart of which doctors responded to each resus request.

26 Sep

LL to Dr V: [H] had a stable day, and took out the original drain at 8pm, 'just blocked tube, lots of secretions!'
DrV: "Never known a baby block tubes so often!! Glad she's had a stable day..."

27 Sep

LL to DrV: “[H] had resus again but not as bad/long-lasting as with us. Went to Arrowe.”
Dr.V: “Oh crap. Do they know why she did it this time? I’m glad she’s been transferred! How are you? Really rough set of nights for you. Xx”
LL: “No did exactly what she did for us, desat then didn’t pick up & dropped heartrate. Looked fine again after though but made decision to transfer which I think was sensible! X”
DrV: "Try to think of all the babies you’ve saved and have gone home happily with their parents. You’re a fab nurse. Hope you manage some sleep xx”
LL: “Thanks Ali Xx”

30 Sep

DrV: Hope work wasn’t too bad x
LL: Yeah it was ok. Baby I in 1 with distended abdo. Looks a bit rubbish. Having a chill on sofa in my PJs now.
Dr V: Poor baby I, not again. Sounds like well deserved chill on sofa, I’m doing the same. Let’s go and set up our own neonatal unit with all the other faces that don’t fit who often seem to be the best ones.
LL: Let’s do it, in New Zealand.
DrV: Yeah, come to NZ with me.
LL: plane/smiley with sunglasses/rainbow emojis.
DrV: “Defo come to NZ then! I could use a friendly face!!”

 

[Sweeper2000]

Perhaps as an insight into her character/the things she says? From the police interview she doesn’t strike me as shy/awkward at all as was previously reported around when she was arrested by friend(s). I could be completely wrong but it will be very interesting to hear what she actually has to say and that ‘image’ of a shy, awkward persona.

JMO

I thought the police interviews were pretty much as formal as can be. Pretty much no room for her to show anything other than that which relates to the questions. i have no doubt as well that there would be a huge disparity in maturity and probably disposition after being behind bars for that long.

Looking at the prison records neither seem nice places to be, obviously not saying prison is ever nice but they get worse reports than some. probably the fifth layer of hell rather than the seventh. If she gets guilty it will probably go all the way up to eleven.

 

[ColourPurple]

26 Sep

LL to Dr V: [H] had a stable day, and took out the original drain at 8pm, 'just blocked tube, lots of secretions!'
DrV: "Never known a baby block tubes so often!! Glad she's had a stable day..."

27 Sep

LL to DrV: “[H] had resus again but not as bad/long-lasting as with us. Went to Arrowe.”
Dr.V: “Oh crap. Do they know why she did it this time? I’m glad she’s been transferred! How are you? Really rough set of nights for you. Xx”
LL: “No did exactly what she did for us, desat then didn’t pick up & dropped heartrate. Looked fine again after though but made decision to transfer which I think was sensible! X”
DrV: "Try to think of all the babies you’ve saved and have gone home happily with their parents. You’re a fab nurse. Hope you manage some sleep xx”
LL: “Thanks Ali Xx”

30 Sep

DrV: Hope work wasn’t too bad x
LL: Yeah it was ok. Baby I in 1 with distended abdo. Looks a bit rubbish. Having a chill on sofa in my PJs now.
Dr V: Poor baby I, not again. Sounds like well deserved chill on sofa, I’m doing the same. Let’s go and set up our own neonatal unit with all the other faces that don’t fit who often seem to be the best ones.
LL: Let’s do it, in New Zealand.
DrV: Yeah, come to NZ with me.
LL: plane/smiley with sunglasses/rainbow emojis.
DrV: “Defo come to NZ then! I could use a friendly face!!”

Jesus, very similar vibe to her and Doc Choc's convos IMO

Especially the feeling that IMO LL is trying to make it some kind of bonding exercise referring to what the baby did "with us" and for us"

I think this exchange may be with Dr V too, unless there was a nurse planning to move ot NZ too.

Letby messages another colleague: "Let's run away!!!" and the subject turns to moving away to New Zealand, which one of the nurses is planning to do.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, January 25

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

Yeah I can't see the CPS having a quiet word with People.com to tip them off, but I so hope it's true!

If it is true, I think it means one of two things:

----the defense is feeling very desperate and they feel 'might as well' ....

OR the defendant is adamant about speaking and Meyers cannot convince her otherwise

 

[katydid23]

But can she say anything else than what she did during Police interviews?

I think detectives covered everything with her.

Can she change her answers now?

JMO

I've seen it happen many times. They sometimes will say something different and then explain why they changed their answers.

So if she previously said ": I don't remember making those FB searches" she can give a more complete explanation on the stand and say something like " I didnt remember at the time because I was anxious, or was on medications, or whatever---but since then I have thought about it more and I now remember why I wanted to see the FB, etc..."

She can also say she misheard or misunderstood the question etc if she wants to give a better answer this time

 

[katydid23]

Her responses regarding the post-it notes seemed perfectly rational, though, I thought. I doubt that anyone could do a better job of rationalising some crazy stuff they'd written down in a distressed state. JMO

It sounded good before I looked at the answer more closely. It really doesn't make sense to say 'I killed them on purpose " if you are then saying because you were not competent.

But then when asked how she was incompetent she said she wasn't. And when asked what mistakes she had made, she said none.

And she even went on to say that she didn't really think she did anything wrong , she was just afraid they would believe she did.

So that negates her 'rational' response given for why she said she was evil and killed them on purpose.

To me it is just a bunch of hogwash. Even the officer asked 'that would make you evil?'

 

[Eloise]

I don't mean to sound like a snob. But how reliable is this source?

When it comes to reporting celebrity news, People is held in high regard. They only publish what's been confirmed to them by the celeb's own PR/management. They don't print rumours.

Now, I don't know about their crime reporting, they may have a different MO there, but their track record on celebrity reporting is pretty good actually.

 

[Marantz4250b]

U.K. Nurse Lucy Letby Will Testify Next Week at Infant Murder Trial

Lucy Letby, the British nurse accused of murdering seven newborns by injecting them with air, milk, or insulin at an England hospital is expected to testify at her trial, next week.

people.com

Not sure I believe this, but very interesting!

I'm not sure I belive it either. She may do but I don't really trust this alleged source. The CPS do nit give a running commentary on court trials, as far as I'm aware.

 

[DianaWW]

I'm not sure I belive it either. She may do but I don't really trust this alleged source. The CPS do nit give a running commentary on court trials, as far as I'm aware.

I agree, can’t see it being reported anywhere else. I think they’ve seen it reported that the defence are due to start their evidence on Tuesday and made the assumption. But I do hope it’s true!

 

[Marantz4250b]

But can she say anything else than what she did during Police interviews?

I think detectives covered everything with her.

Can she change her answers now?

JMO

She can say what she wants but the jury are entitled to consider anything she says in court that she didn't mention at arrest as counting against her, as per the caution.

 

[Marantz4250b]

One thing that struck me about the police interviews was that LL's responses to the questions were pretty much exactly what posters here had imagined they might be. No surprises really, and nothing particularly incriminating. I was kind of expecting something a bit shocking that would make it easier to decide on whether she's guilty or innocent.

I've said it before but I think she handled herself very well in police interviews. Thirty interviews must have been brain shredding - whether innocent or guilty!

 

[Marantz4250b]

Say for instance that there was no defence case similar to the prosecutions coming up I think you are correct that it would be absolutely vital to the defence for her to take the stand. You never know the prosecution have presented their case so ll may actually be able to with the Help of mr Myers really put a different perspective on what’s been presented so far. I’m sure she would at least be able to give more info on the handover notes police interview, personal notes etc. if mr Myers can bring some of the witnesses we have heard from so far and really put them on the spot in a way that’s clearer than the cross Questioning which has been so predictable and repetitive then that will bolster the position. If she is innocent I think she would and should.

i Don’t know why but I find the prospect of her talking really interesting. I’m wondering if video coverage of her talking would be shown but remember someone saying it never is?

If she really is to give evidence on Tuesday then I suspect the defence are calling very few, if any, witnesses of their own. Its risky calling the defendant and why would you risk her potentially being totally destroyed which could undermine your experts?

Surely you'd have your experts and then the defendant if you thought you needed to?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don't mean to sound like a snob. But how reliable is this source?

Dubious reliability.

She may be, and they may have heard that she will but I don't believe they heard it from the CPS.

 

[Charlot123]

Jmo ..but I do think that if guilty some of the latter cases were in order to get Dr Choc back on the unit Or for her to show off her skills to him ..I think across the whole time frame the "reason" She caused these deaths/collapses varied (if guilty) but a common factor was her own need at the time ..be it frustration , anger , not getting her own way etc jmo if guilty

I think her big need (if guilty) in the larger scheme of events was: - being viewed as "the helper Lucy" - and not only by Dr. Choc but by her nurse colleagues or other doctors,
- and, also,
- being and feeling in total control of the babies' lives.

But this only is proven guilty, which I can still not wrap my head around.

I am hoping that maybe there was some medical condition missed in her that made her temporarily unstable?

 

[esther43]

Especially the feeling that IMO LL is trying to make it some kind of bonding exercise referring to what the baby did "with us" and for us"

Definitely. AV was present for babies F, for the second alleged attack on G and then for baby H. Then after child I, the texting focus moves over to Dr choc.

 

[Charlot123]

Her diary entries read a lot like those of a close friend who had a total mental breakdown. She was writing bizarre stuff and then after a while could not stop manic rambling, and then had a total breakdown. She was not in the health sector though

I remember a friend visiting us in whom my totally innocent remark triggered an intense emotional response, akin to a mix of intense hysteria and psychotic/paranoid reaction. It appeared incomprehensible; several years later she said it marked the beginning of her Graves' disease.

 

[esther43]

If she really is to give evidence on Tuesday then I suspect the defence are calling very few, if any, witnesses of their own. Its risky calling the defendant and why would you risk her potentially being totally destroyed which could undermine your experts?

Surely you'd have your experts and then the defendant if you thought you needed to?

Whilst the article may not be accurate. (Tbc) Myers has to declare whether she will/ won't take the stand as soon as the prosecution rests it's case.
So the court will know by now, or definitely by Tuesday whether she will/won't.
They are not allowed to make a retrospective decision on this after calling defence witnesses.
I'm not completely sure if she has to be 'up first' after she's confirmed her position on this or whether the defence can decide when to weave her in.