UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #19

[marynnu]

I don't think it's been stated in the trial.

By her second arrest they were saying from March 2015 in the papers but I seem to remember they expanded it to Jan 2015 at one point also.

Thanks very much. At least March 2015 cams from somewhere other than my head!!

 

[Parker Knoll]

I agree Dotta …. I am really surprised that they ask nurses to take them home and wash them, as if they don’t have enough to do !

 

[ginnyw]

I am just amazed with the amount of people who seem to have done a complete 360 just because she has been in the witness box a few hours and had a good cry ( all related to herself / cats / dead dog / commute to court )
This Hummingbird investigation is very much alive and being both recruited and worked.
I can’t actually see the sun for the red flags flapping in the wind but what do I know.
There is only one person standing in this witness box in Court 7, there is a very VERY big reason for this.

Yes. And there's no other credible explanation, as there were so many victims and she was always somewhere nearby.

 

[marynnu]

I don't think it's been stated in the trial.

By her second arrest they were saying from March 2015 in the papers but I seem to remember they expanded it to Jan 2015 at one point also.

Meant to say, that's quite interesting timing given the course at Liverpool which ended March also. JMO as always!

 

[Legal]

I've just noticed an interesting issue relating to when these collapses started. On 18 May 2015, Victorino Chua was convicted of various counts of murder and GBH, many of which involved the injection of insulin. This was in a hospital in the Manchester area (Stockport). Regardless of who the perpetrator was, could it be just a coincidence that barely a month later, babies were allegedly being attacked in Chester, some with insulin?

 

[ColourPurple]

Well they are in for an almighty shock then !
She is being treated with absolute kid gloves on the stand with the breaks in evidence ( unheard of ) and with her Counsel hammering home she had 30 hours of interviews by the police …. Big deal. They were over 3 separate arrests over 3 days per YEAR.
That’s nothing in my opinion. They did their job within PACE guidelines to the letter.

Regardless of guilt or innocence, I doubt the "poor me" stuff will go down well with the jury, who are also having to put in long hours. And the apparent lack of tears for the babies, but tears once again for herself and what she's lost.

JMO

 

[esther43]

Meant to say, that's quite interesting timing given the course at Liverpool which ended March also. JMO as always!

Exactly what I was thinking. For years this hospital had a normal death toll then as soon as LL returns from the level 3 placement, it all starts going off.
It's claimed that there were higher levels of very prem babies than normal. But it's not like they were swamped with ELBW babies. I don't think the influx, in terms of gestation looks any different to any other level 2. What is unique is the problems they went on to develop and it's a complete stretch to say one led to the other. Imo

 

[ColourPurple]

Meant to say, that's quite interesting timing given the course at Liverpool which ended March also. JMO as always!

Any ideas why there would be a break in ICU courses. As she mentioned she was doing a course with a placement at Liverpool, back in 2013. Unless she meant to say March 2013 not March 2015

Is there more than one ICU course nurses undertake?

“I am currently undergoing extra training in order to develop and enhance my knowledge and skills within the Intensive Care area and have recently completed a placement at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.”

https://www.coch.nhs.uk/media/74654/chester_standard_babygrow_page_1070kb__28.03.2013_.pdf

 

[marynnu]

Any ideas why there would be a break in ICU courses. As she mentioned she was doing a course with a placement at Liverpool, back in 2013. Unless she meant to say March 2013 not March 2015

Is there more than one ICU course nurses undertake?

“I am currently undergoing extra training in order to develop and enhance my knowledge and skills within the Intensive Care area and have recently completed a placement at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.”

https://www.coch.nhs.uk/media/74654/chester_standard_babygrow_page_1070kb__28.03.2013_.pdf

I agree, it's a bit confusing. I originally took it to mean she did her specialist course around 2013. It does say placement rather than course or training though. Some trusts have reciprocal arrangements so nurses can get experience. Or maybe it was just incorrect reporting somewhere!

 

[ColourPurple]

I agree, it's a bit confusing. I originally took it to mean she did her specialist course around 2013. It does say placement rather than course or training though. Some trusts have reciprocal arrangements so nurses can get experience. Or maybe it was just incorrect reporting somewhere!

Yes either she's done two lots of ICU training that included a placement at Liverpool. Or the 2015 date is wrong. As the article I linked to is definitely dated March 2013.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Im going to take a gamble ad suggest the prosecutions cross questioning will likely be the same as the defences. Except with shorter answers mostly consisting of “no” and “not unusual for me” with a spattering of “I don’t remember“. I will gamble it will be another anti climax.

 

[marynnu]

Yes either she's done two lots of ICU training that included a placement at Liverpool. Or the 2015 date is wrong. As the article I linked to is definitely dated March 2013.

I also meant to say that, thinking about it further, to spend almost 4 years as a Band 5 before doing the neonatal course is an excessively long time. Surely can't be true.

 

[ColourPurple]

I also meant to say that, thinking about it further, to spend almost 4 years as a Band 5 before doing the neonatal course is an excessively long time. Surely can't be true.

Is the ICU training something you can fail? Could she have failed in 2013 and then tried again ?

 

[Noseyposy76]

I am just amazed with the amount of people who seem to have done a complete 360 just because she has been in the witness box a few hours and had a good cry ( all related to herself / cats / dead dog / commute to court )
This Hummingbird investigation is very much alive and being both recruited and worked.
I can’t actually see the sun for the red flags flapping in the wind but what do I know.
There is only one person standing in this witness box in Court 7, there is a very VERY big reason for this.

To me it is the same people playing devils advocate/ keeping an open mind, as it was at the beginning of the trial.

I am one of the undecided…but I can tell you now, I was certainly not taken in by LL being in the witness box, if anything I felt indifferent towards her, with very little insight.

I have not seen anyone on here who has categorically said they believe she is innocent. For some people they need to exhaust every other explanation before they can form an opinion, especially when there is so much at stake. As I have said before, I truly hope the jury listens to both sides before they decide themselves - otherwise what is the point in having a trial!

For me personally, if I was absolutely positive of either her guilt or innocence, I would not feel the need to invest so much time on here over this case.

 

[ColourPurple]

Im going to take a gamble ad suggest the prosecutions cross questioning will likely be the same as the defences. Except with shorter answers mostly consisting of “no” and “not unusual for me” with a spattering of “I don’t remember“. I will gamble it will be another anti climax.

I think you may be in for a surprise then!

There's no way they'll be happy with the vague answers she gave Myers, so they'll press further on those. Plus they'll highlight any contradictions, and changes in her story compared to what she said in her police interviews.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think you may be in for a surprise then!

There's no way they'll be happy with the vague answers she gave Myers, so they'll press further on those. Plus they'll highlight any contradictions, and changes in her story compared to what she said in her police interviews.

I hope for all of us that we are surprised

 

[Dotta]

I think you may be in for a surprise then!

There's no way they'll be happy with the vague answers she gave Myers, so they'll press further on those. Plus they'll highlight any contradictions, and changes in her story compared to what she said in her police interviews.

But of course!
Please give some credit to Mr KC Nick J and his great team

JMO

 

[DianaWW]

Do we think it's even possible for this trial will bring anymore surprises? I'm exhausted

Agree with the above though, I don't think it's so much her answers that will be important during cross-examination, but the questions themselves. They will be looking to highlight any inconsistencies and the jury won't be impressed by wishy washy answers. JMO.

 

[esther43]

I think you may be in for a surprise then!

There's no way they'll be happy with the vague answers she gave Myers, so they'll press further on those. Plus they'll highlight any contradictions, and changes in her story compared to what she said in her police interviews.

I am interested in what the format is going to be.
For example can Myers call LL to the box at multiple points in the trial?
If her testimony is delivered in multiple segments, then at what point will the cross's happen? As we go along would seem the most sensible but Myers is already getting ready to present the case in relation child A before Andrews has had a chance to do the cross about the notes? :-/

 

[marynnu]

Is the ICU training something you can fail? Could she have failed in 2013 and then tried again ?

It's unusual, but in theory yes.