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Letby denies she 'invented' bleeding problems​

Lucy Letby continues to deny she called the parents of Child N.
"You carried on making false entries, didn't you, in the paperwork," Nick Johnson KC, for the prosecution, asks.
"No," says Letby.
On the morning of 15 June 2016 (the day she is accused of attempting to murder Child N), Letby recorded 1ml of blood in his mouth but there is no record of Letby escalating the bleeding with anyone.
"This is potentially very serious, wasn't it," Mr Johnson says.
"1ml of fresh blood is not normal but it is not a life-threatening event," Letby replies.
Mr Johnson says for a child with haemophilia, who had collapsed hours earlier, it could be life-threatening.
Letby is accused of "inventing" the bleed at 10am in her nursing notes.
"This is all designed to give an ongoing problem in a child who had haemophilia," Mr Johnson says.
"No," Letby replies.

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2:54pm

Mr Johnson says a statement from the parent of Child N said the collapse was so serious a priest was offered. Mr Johnson says this collapse must have been the one at 2.50pm.
Letby noted: 'approx 1450 infant became apnoeic, with desaturation to 44%...fresh blood noted from mouth and 3mls blood aspirated from NG tube...drs crash called...'
NJ: "What had you done to cause this in [Child N]?"
LL: "I hadn't done anything."

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Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 7 - cross-examination continues

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2:59pm

Letby denies "shoving a foreign object" down Child N's throat. Letby: "Absolutely not."
NJ: "It's all your work, isn't it?"
LL: "No it's not at all."
Letby agrees she was 'agitated' by the need for assistance from Alder Hey, as she had not known a case before of people from another hospital coming in to assist.
NJ: "Do you remember saying 'who are these people?' 'who are these people?'"
"Yes, because I had never experienced who these people were [coming in from a different hospital.] ...It was a completely new experience."
Child N later collapsed once more.
She denies using the doctors being in a 'huddle' as an 'opportunity' to try and kill Child N again.

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Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 7 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
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Letby 'shoved foreign object' down baby's throat​

One of the babies Lucy Letby is accused of trying to hurt collapsed so dramatically that his parents were offered a priest, the court is told.
Child N collapsed at 3pm on 15 June 2016.
"Do you remember [Child N's] parents arriving," Nick Johnson KC, for the prosecution, says.
"Not in entirety, no," Letby says.
WhatsApp messages between Letby and a colleague are now shown to the court.
Colleague (1.52pm): [Baby N's] parents been in?
Letby (1.54pm) Yeah came not long after you left and both stayed since
Child N collapsed again when his parents went to get something to eat.
"Such was the dramatic nature of the collapse they were offered a priest," Mr Johnson says.
He then asks: "What had you done to [Child N] to make him bleed?"
"I hadn't done anything to him," Letby replies.
"This is very similar to what happened to [Child E] isn't it," Mr Johnson says.
"[Child E] had significantly more blood, but he did have fresh blood, yes," says Letby.
A doctor's note from the time of the collapse said the bleeding was unlike anything he had ever seen before.
"You had shoved some foreign object down [Child N's] throat," Mr Johnson says,
"Absolutely not, no," Letby says.
Doctors were brought in from another hospital to help with Child N. Letby was heard asking her colleagues: "Who are these people?"
She now tells the court: "I had never known staff come from different hospitals... it was a completely new experience."
The prosecution accuses Letby of waiting until her colleagues were distracted to "try and kill Child N".
"No," she says.

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Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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Court has ended for the day​

Letby's cross-examination will resume tomorrow at 10.30am.

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Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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"This is very similar to what happened to [Child E] isn't it," Mr Johnson says.
"[Child E] had significantly more blood, but he did have fresh blood, yes," says Letby.

She has to contradict everything!
 
So this was her evidence under cross-exam for baby E -

She denies telling Child E's mother the cause of the bleed was via insertion of the naso-gastrinal tube. She says the insertion could cause "a small amount of blood" from the tube.

Letby is asked if she recalls telling police in the case of Child N that NG Tubes can cause bleeding. Letby says it does cause blood, but not in the mouth.

Mr Johnson says Letby has said that previously it can cause oral bleeding. Letby: "Ok."

She denies saying that happened in this case.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 24 - cross-examination continues

and her evidence under cross-exam today -

Letby says it's true that an NG Tube can cause "a small amount" of bleeding in the mouth.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, June 7 - cross-examination continues
 
Out of all the collapses in this case, not one began when parents were at the cot side. I find that one coincidence I just can’t get past IMO. The chance that the minute parents left their child’s side would be the moment their baby would collapse, not just in one case but multiple cases seems extremely unlikely.

Yet another coincidence when LL was on a day shift instead of a night, the collapse suddenly didn’t happen at night (when there were no visitors on the unit), but occurred during the day instead, but only when parents happened to not be there and LL conveniently was…

MOO
 
marynnu said:
Sorry to be dim, but I still don't understand! She could easily have been facing the doorway, so Dr. J when he came in, couldn't she?
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Looking at him square on in that acute situation? I wouldn't have thought so, no. I'd have thought she'd either be looking at baby ( for colour change),the monitor (to observe the trend in sats) or the oxygen dial (to be tweaking the O2 requirement)
The doorway is the last place I'd expect her to be looking. She'd just silenced the alarm hadn't she? So presumably she was comfortable dealing with the situation herself? But according to RJ's observation, she wasn't doing that and he felt that from her positioning and her focus points when he entered the room that he had 'interrupted her'

Edit to say: she could have been staring at him face on but if she was, it would suggest she wasn't doing her job properly imo.
 
Observe_dont_Absorb said:
Blaming them for what?
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LL was giving a different version of events to what the defence had agreed. When asked why she hadn't put that fact straight when her council brought it up ..she said she didn't know and she was relying on her legal team.

Obviously that's not verbatim but the gist of what was said
 
JosieJo said:
LL was giving a different version of events to what the defence had agreed. When asked why she hadn't put that fact straight when her council brought it up ..she said she didn't know and she was relying on her legal team.

Obviously that's not verbatim but the gist of what was said
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Thanks for the reply. I was wondering as have read many comments on various platforms this afternoon but nobody said what.

I suppose in a huge case, there could be an incident where the law team incorrectly records what a defendant has stated.

However, I would imagine that law firms get their defendant to sign off against everything that's recorded so there isn't any room for this type of error? Being legal eagles as they are LOL. Anyone know?
 
marynnu said:
"Because I collect paper"?? Am I alone in thinking that is a very peculiar statement?
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It is but I think its her way of saying that she has a compulsion for acquiring certain things. She won't say "I have an uncontrollable obsession for collecting/hoarding things" because I don't think she can.

All MOO, obviously.
 
Legal said:
It's a ridiculous statement!

However, she doesn't "collect" her personal bank documents even though it's perfectly safe to keep confidential items in her house. She shreds those.
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If she is someone who has an obsession/compulsion around her work then that wouldn't include stuff like bank statements.

In my opinion, there is much more to do with the hospital paperwork and I don't believe that it's purely to do with commiting heinous crimes IF she is actually guilty.

MOO.
 
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