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Here are some excerpts from episode 35: The Trials of Lucy Letby---'Not Lying!'
PART ONE
Episode 35: ’Not lying!’ LL believes that a group of consultants conspired to blame her for the baby’s deaths, to cover up for hospital failings. She’ll also say staffing shortages and the mistakes of colleagues contributed to collapses and deaths and drs and nurses who’ve given evidence about seeing her beside the baby’s cots or witnessed unusual rashes on the alleged victims or left her in charge of newborns when they were on a break, are all mistaken or lying
Q: Any reason why you cry when you talk about yourself and you do not cry when you talk about the dead and seriously injured children.
LL: I have cried when talking about some of the babies
Q:That’s your answer is it?
Johnson asks if there is anything from her defense statement through May 2nd until now, that she now wants to change?
LL: No.
So Johnson gave an example—he reminded her of what she said last week in relation to Baby K. Dr J gave evidence that he believed he interrupted LL mid-attack because he found her standing at the baby’s cot side , doing nothing while she collapsed
My Johnson said that ’nowhere, not in LL’s defense statement or in police interviews has she disputed being in the nursery with Baby K’ —until last week when she told the jury she’d been feeding and changing the nappy of another baby in a different room.
You might remember that she said that she didn’t remember having a conversation with Dr J on that night shift at all
Q: Did you in your police interviews ever suggest Dr J is a liar who is inventing seeing you standing over Baby K on Feb the 17th
LL: I’ve never accepted in my police interview what Dr Jaharam said actually happened.
Q: I’m suggesting to you that the first time you said Dr J was making it up was yesterday
LL: I don’t think I said yesterday he was making it up
Q: You said you were never standing over Baby K so it follows you’re saying Dr J has deliberately misled this jury
LL: Yes
Q: So when was the first time you said that, Lucy Letby?
LL: If I’m accepting what you say, it was yesterday. I can’t say without going through everything Ive ever said.
Q: I’m going to suggest to you for your consideration that when Dr J was cross-examined by Mr Meyers that suggestion was never made—do you accept or reject that?
LL: I can’t recall the specific questions asked at that time
Q: No, but you remember the gist of the questions, don’t you?
LL: Yes
Q: Was my Meyers suggesting to Dr J that he never saw you standing over baby K?
LL: I can’t comment on that
Q: can’t or won’t?
LL: It’s very difficult to recall everything everyone has said during a seven month trial
Q: It is and in due course I will remind you, don’t worry Lucy Letby. I’m suggesting to you you’re lying now, claiming that that you don’t remember
LL: No, I’m not lying
Johnson began listing 19 colleagues, and asked her about her relationship with them and she insisted she had a normal working relationship with them all.
When he got to Dr A, the dr her coworkers teased her about flirting with , Mr Johnson asked her directly, ‘were you in love with him?’
LL: No, I loved Dr A as a friend, I wasn’t in love with him
But as the questioning went on she named 4 consultants, Dr J, Dr Stephen Breary, Dr John Gibbs and Dr B, as being out to get her. She said the 4 were involved in a conspiracy to blame her for the baby’s deaths.
When she wrote the word ‘bastards’ on her post it note is was about Dr J and Dr Brery because she was angry they had pointed the finger at her
Q: Are you suggesting there is some sort of an agreement between medical staff to get you?
LL: In the consultants group I do believe, yes.
Q: Four doctors—a Gang of Four let’s call them-what’s the conspiracy?
LL: They have apportioned blame onto me
Q: The motive?
LL: I believe to cover failings at the hospital
But Mr Johnson suggested she was the only common feature and had to be the person responsible for harming the babies …
…and remember the jury has already seen the graph of shift patterns of every nurse on duty during the alleged deaths and collapses which shows that LL was the only one working every time.
Q: Do you agree that if certain combinations of these children were attacked, unless there was more than one person attacking them, you have to be the attacker ?
LL: No, I have not attacked anyone. Just because I was on shift doesn’t mean I have done anything...
She was also asked about the 2 babies, Baby F and Baby L, who she’e accused of poisoning with insulin, she agreed that both boys were given insulin unlawfully, but insisted it was not given by her
Q: Do you agree that Baby F was poisoned with insulin?
LL: Yes
Q: Somebody targeted him specifically?
LL: No
Q: Knowing what you know about insulin readings ,blood sugar readings, what other realistic possibilities in Baby L’s case ?
LL: I don’t believe any other member of the unit would make a mistake
Q: A mistake is not an option…
LL: Yes
Q: Deliberate poisoning but not you…
LL: Insulin has been added by somebody but not me
PART ONE
Episode 35: ’Not lying!’ LL believes that a group of consultants conspired to blame her for the baby’s deaths, to cover up for hospital failings. She’ll also say staffing shortages and the mistakes of colleagues contributed to collapses and deaths and drs and nurses who’ve given evidence about seeing her beside the baby’s cots or witnessed unusual rashes on the alleged victims or left her in charge of newborns when they were on a break, are all mistaken or lying
Q: Any reason why you cry when you talk about yourself and you do not cry when you talk about the dead and seriously injured children.
LL: I have cried when talking about some of the babies
Q:That’s your answer is it?
Johnson asks if there is anything from her defense statement through May 2nd until now, that she now wants to change?
LL: No.
So Johnson gave an example—he reminded her of what she said last week in relation to Baby K. Dr J gave evidence that he believed he interrupted LL mid-attack because he found her standing at the baby’s cot side , doing nothing while she collapsed
My Johnson said that ’nowhere, not in LL’s defense statement or in police interviews has she disputed being in the nursery with Baby K’ —until last week when she told the jury she’d been feeding and changing the nappy of another baby in a different room.
You might remember that she said that she didn’t remember having a conversation with Dr J on that night shift at all
Q: Did you in your police interviews ever suggest Dr J is a liar who is inventing seeing you standing over Baby K on Feb the 17th
LL: I’ve never accepted in my police interview what Dr Jaharam said actually happened.
Q: I’m suggesting to you that the first time you said Dr J was making it up was yesterday
LL: I don’t think I said yesterday he was making it up
Q: You said you were never standing over Baby K so it follows you’re saying Dr J has deliberately misled this jury
LL: Yes
Q: So when was the first time you said that, Lucy Letby?
LL: If I’m accepting what you say, it was yesterday. I can’t say without going through everything Ive ever said.
Q: I’m going to suggest to you for your consideration that when Dr J was cross-examined by Mr Meyers that suggestion was never made—do you accept or reject that?
LL: I can’t recall the specific questions asked at that time
Q: No, but you remember the gist of the questions, don’t you?
LL: Yes
Q: Was my Meyers suggesting to Dr J that he never saw you standing over baby K?
LL: I can’t comment on that
Q: can’t or won’t?
LL: It’s very difficult to recall everything everyone has said during a seven month trial
Q: It is and in due course I will remind you, don’t worry Lucy Letby. I’m suggesting to you you’re lying now, claiming that that you don’t remember
LL: No, I’m not lying
Johnson began listing 19 colleagues, and asked her about her relationship with them and she insisted she had a normal working relationship with them all.
When he got to Dr A, the dr her coworkers teased her about flirting with , Mr Johnson asked her directly, ‘were you in love with him?’
LL: No, I loved Dr A as a friend, I wasn’t in love with him
But as the questioning went on she named 4 consultants, Dr J, Dr Stephen Breary, Dr John Gibbs and Dr B, as being out to get her. She said the 4 were involved in a conspiracy to blame her for the baby’s deaths.
When she wrote the word ‘bastards’ on her post it note is was about Dr J and Dr Brery because she was angry they had pointed the finger at her
Q: Are you suggesting there is some sort of an agreement between medical staff to get you?
LL: In the consultants group I do believe, yes.
Q: Four doctors—a Gang of Four let’s call them-what’s the conspiracy?
LL: They have apportioned blame onto me
Q: The motive?
LL: I believe to cover failings at the hospital
But Mr Johnson suggested she was the only common feature and had to be the person responsible for harming the babies …
…and remember the jury has already seen the graph of shift patterns of every nurse on duty during the alleged deaths and collapses which shows that LL was the only one working every time.
Q: Do you agree that if certain combinations of these children were attacked, unless there was more than one person attacking them, you have to be the attacker ?
LL: No, I have not attacked anyone. Just because I was on shift doesn’t mean I have done anything...
She was also asked about the 2 babies, Baby F and Baby L, who she’e accused of poisoning with insulin, she agreed that both boys were given insulin unlawfully, but insisted it was not given by her
Q: Do you agree that Baby F was poisoned with insulin?
LL: Yes
Q: Somebody targeted him specifically?
LL: No
Q: Knowing what you know about insulin readings ,blood sugar readings, what other realistic possibilities in Baby L’s case ?
LL: I don’t believe any other member of the unit would make a mistake
Q: A mistake is not an option…
LL: Yes
Q: Deliberate poisoning but not you…
LL: Insulin has been added by somebody but not me
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