UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #27

[DinerMite]

I'm going to ask a daft question now but how does the judge make the court aware what is direct quotes and what isn't? I have visions of him doing the bunny ears that I can't wipe away aha

 

[ColourPurple]

The trial judge says the case of Child Q will be referred to on Monday at 10.30am.
The jury "will be beginning their deliberations" before the lunch break on Monday. He says he expects that to be after an hour's court sitting. He urges the jurors to bring their refreshments with them on that day.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 6 - judge's summing up

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Glad he didn't try to rush Baby Q just to get finished today.

Thank you for all the updates @DianaWW

 

[ColourPurple]

I'm going to ask a daft question now but how does the judge make the court aware what is direct quotes and what isn't? I have visions of him doing the bunny ears that I can't wipe away aha

OK, now you've made me imagine him doing a little impression of each person he quotes

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[Becci]

LMAO that's the kind of important detail we don't get from the likes of the Mail and the BBC !

I'dve left haha

 

[Diddly1]

Well. sigh! I know I have possibly not made myself clear about the hill that I am going to die on, a nurse killed and grievously assaulted teeny tiny babies. I am absolutely confident and totally convinced that said nurse in in the dock. It is my opinion and I absolutely stand my conviction. This is my opinion only.

 

[Dotta]

What does it mean that the Jury should bring food to Court on Monday?

I thought there is a kind of canteen there, that somebody will bring them coffee/tea and snacks.

Or

You know,
a coffee machine in the room and a table with plates of refreshments and tea/coffee/mineral water/juices.
On the Court, of course.

JM bewildered O

 

[marynnu]

What does it mean that the Jury should bring the food to Court on Monday?

I thought there is a kind of canteen there, that somebody will bring them coffee/tea and snacks.

Or

You know,
a coffee machine in the room and a table with plates of refreshments and tea/coffee/mineral water/juices.
On the Court, of course.

JM bewildered O

I agree Dotta, it seems very strange. You'd think they'd have refreshments brought to them after they've had to sit through all this.

 

[Parker Knoll]

They used to do it and would provide sandwiches at lunch time and tea and coffee.
I know times are tough ATM but come on !

 

[katydid23]

10:48am

Dr Jayaram was challenged about why he had not confronted Letby about her behaviour. He said it was "not appropriate" to raise concerns in medical notes. He said concerns were raised after this incident, and faith was put in senior management, and they were told it was unlikely anything was going on, and to see what happens. He said in hindsight, he wished they had bypassed management.
He could not remember the transport team note where he had written 'baby dislodged tube'. He said it was "highly unlikely" Child K had dislodged the ET Tube.
He accepted the note Child K had been sedated after the desaturation, but denied altering his account to fit the evidence. He said he had not seen the swipe data for timings.
Letby, in interview, said she could only remember Child K because of her size. She did not recall Child K's tube slipping or any collapse. She agreed she thought Joanne Williams would not have left Child K alone if Child K was not stable. She could not remember if the alarm was silent, but agreed it should have sounded if Child K was desaturating.
She thought it possible she was seeing if Child K was self-correcting.

Interesting that the judge included LL's testimony about possibility she was waiting to see if baby self-corrected. Because later during cross examination, she tried to deny she was even in the room at the time.

In evidence, she said she did not have independent memory of Child K other than her being a tiny baby.
She said although she had no memory of it, she said she would have waited 10-20 seconds to see if Child K self-corrected, as that was "common practice".
Elizabeth Morgan said, in agreed evidence, it was possible for an ET Tube to be dislodged in an unsedated and active baby, and a nurse would not leave the child alone in this situation if the baby was not settled. She said it would be 'good practice' to observe the baby immediately and take corrective action if necessary if a baby of this gestational age had begun to desaturate. She believed it would not be normal practice to 'wait and see', in a child of this gestational age, with the lungs so underdeveloped.

10:53am

At 6.15am and 7.30am, Child K desaturated again, and it was noted the ET Tube had dislodged again in the second event. Letby was on duty.
The transport team arrived for Child K, who required several rounds of treatment to stabilise her. She left, having been stabilised, at 12.50pm. The prosecution say Child K was a settled baby who would not dislodge the tube.
There was no record of an ET Tube dislodgement at Arrowe Park.
Child K died on February 20, 2016. The cause of death was extreme prematurity with severe respiratory distress syndrome.

10:58am

Letby, in further interview, said she had no memory of Child K's ET Tube slipping, and suggested it had not been secured initially. She accepted searching for Child K's mother's name, but could not recall why.
In evidence, she said she had nothing to do with the events at 6.15am and 7.25am. she agreed she had no reason to be in room 1 at 7.25am.
She said she looked up the name for the mother as "you still think of patients you care for".
She said the night was a "busy shift".
The judge says the prosecution accept they cannot prove Letby's actions caused Child K's death, but say she attempted to kill her.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 6 - judge's summing up

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Tortoise]

My experience was once in deliberations jurors brought their own packed lunches and refreshments, to eat in the jury room. They do get a daily allowance for this though, can't remember how much it is. I can't remember if tea/coffee/milk was provided or not, but there was a kettle in the room and running water, and two bathrooms. There was also a safe in the room and everyone's phones were locked inside it by the bailiff. There was also an outside area, a courtyard, for fresh air/or cigarette breaks, but everyone had to go outside at the same time, escorted by the bailiff, and no one was allowed to discuss the case during that time.

 

[Dotta]

They used to do it and would provide sandwiches at lunch time and tea and coffee.
I know times are tough ATM but come on !

Oh well,
times always seem tough haha

Now
I can picture the Deliberation Room as a picnic area with all kinds of food brought by Jurors - and even immortal 'tomato and hard boiled egg' sandwiches

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Oh well,
times always seem tough haha

Now
I can picture the Deliberation Room as a picnic area with all kinds of food brought by Jurors - and even immortal 'tomato and hard boiled egg' sandwiches

JMO

Lots of biscuits, everyone brought packets of biscuits for sharing.

 

[katydid23]

11:25am

Prof Hindmarsh says Child L was hypoglycaemic by 10am on April 9 and insulin "must have been added" between midnight and 9.30am. He said it is "fairly easy" to insert insulin into the portal of the bag via a needle.
The judge says Prof Hindmarsh says "at least three bags contained insulin" to maintain the low blood sugar levels for Child L. The insulin could have been added to the bags at the same time, he added. He said once it was in the bag, "it would not be known by smell or appearance".
The type of insulin used was 'fast-acting', the court was told.
Mary Griffiths said it was "quite a shock" the blood glucose levels for Child L dropped after the dextrose was administered.
Letby said, in evidence, said she had nothing to do with insulin in the bags, and could not assist with an explanation why the blood sugar level was low. She said she had nothing to do with the bags, prior to changing them. Mary Griffiths could not recall if the bag was changed.
A plasma blood sample was taken, but podding was "late", the court had heard, due to the collapse of Child L's twin, Child M.
The evidence, the judge says, is the blood sample was taken between noon (when Child L had a 1.6 blood sugar reading) and 3.35pm.

11:31am

The blood sample 'passed all the quality control tests' and 'performance checks' at the Royal Liverpool Hospital.
The judge tells the jury: "In short, there is no evidence to doubt the reliability of the test results, you may think."
The insulin and the insulin c-peptide results were the 'wrong way around' from what they should have been. Child L's insulin level of 1,099 should have meant an insulin c-peptide of 5,000-10,000, but it was 264. The court had heard said it was therefore synthetic insulin, administered exogenously, and to do so was "dangerous".
Clincial biochemist Dr Anna Milan said there was not anything that doubted the accuracy of the results. In cross-examination, she explained in the case of insulin, if the sample had not been treated appropriately, the insulin level would have been even higher, and insulin c-peptide was stable.
Prof Hindmarsh said the '1,099' reading was a minimum, not a maximum.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 6 - judge's summing up

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Did the judge try to clear up the confusion, brought on by Meyers, when Meyers claimed that child L had LESS insulin than child F was given? I can't find any reference to it.

 

[Parker Knoll]

It’s grim up north !

 

[Dotta]

It’s grim up north !

Sorry to obsess about this topic, but whenever I have a training outside a school (lots!), the organizers always provide a catering service with delicious food (free for us).
Food: hot/cold/.
They try to make us (teachers) comfortable and happy.
And if we as a school organize meetings - we do the same for our guests (we have a school canteen with healthy food).

Just my off topic musings.

 

[katydid23]

12:36pm

The judge refers to the case of Child N, born on June 2, 2016 at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
He says the prosecution case is Child N had three unexpected collapses in June 2016, that are all attributable to inflicted trauma by Letby, and were acts carried out with the intention to murder him. The defence case is Letby did not harm Child N, that there are inconsistencies in the accounts, and the jury cannot be sure Letby intended to murder Child N.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 6 - judge's summing up

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

"The defence case is Letby did not harm Child N, that there are inconsistencies in the accounts, and the jury cannot be sure Letby intended to murder Child N."

WOW to the bolded statement^^ above. The judge said the defense case was " the jury cannot be sure Letby intended to murder Child N."

 

[Marantz4250b]

My experience was once in deliberations jurors brought their own packed lunches and refreshments, to eat in the jury room. They do get a daily allowance for this though, can't remember how much it is. I can't remember if tea/coffee/milk was provided or not, but there was a kettle in the room and running water, and two bathrooms. There was also a safe in the room and everyone's phones were locked inside it by the bailiff. There was also an outside area, a courtyard, for fresh air/or cigarette breaks, but everyone had to go outside at the same time, escorted by the bailiff, and no one was allowed to discuss the case during that time.

What happens if you aren't a smoker and don't want to go outside in possibly appalling weather just so that some people can submit to their personal vice?

 

[mummyshark]

What happens if you aren't a smoker and don't want to go outside in possibly appalling weather just so that some people can submit to their personal vice?

Then you accept that you're likely to have one or two jurors who are getting very tetchy and likely to argue with everything everyone says!

 

[annpats]

I'm going to ask a daft question now but how does the judge make the court aware what is direct quotes and what isn't? I have visions of him doing the bunny ears that I can't wipe away aha