UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #9

[ColourPurple]

it may be that she felt resentful that she couldn't flee the nest so to speak. If her parents were upset at her simply moving from Hereford to Chester, then New Zealand would be a definite no. As an only child it must be difficult if you want to travel overseas. I have travelled extensively and lived abroad for many years but luckily I have a sibling so didn't feel too guilty about it. However, in the end, I came back as most people do, because of elderly parents.

Full disclosure too: I am VERY close to my parents, as in speak to them every single day, go out to the pub with them, sleep round their houses still close lol and not an only child so the relationship may be different but she seems very very close to hers. Being so upset about moving away, crying over Christmas etc. But again this might be totally normal to some people and I might be the weirdo for thinking it's weird!

I remember LL's parents, particularly her father were older parents so with that and her being an only child she probably had to consider the impact her actions and deciisions about where to live would have on them, more than the average person her age. I know with the mention of at least one baby being an IVF baby that the parents had waited a long time for, there was speculation on here in the past about whether, if guilty, LL had allegedly targeted the babies of older parents.*

If guilty, it appears she was thinking and talking about families and planning to spend Xmas with her own parents... whilst at the same time allegedly plotting to ensure that some parents never got to spend a single Xmas with their babies.

*ETA I tend to think, if guilty, LL just chose babies whose deaths she thought would have the biggest most dramatic impact, as if she were writing her own script for a hospital docu-soap - a baby the parents had waited years for, a baby whose 100 day birthday it was, a baby whose due date it was, sets of twins and triplets where it would be even more tragic if the parents lost both or all three of their babies.

 

[Becci]

So her parents have a lot of travelling daily unless they stay at her house.

 

[Dotta]

Letby said: “Doesn’t take much! Nights 21st 22nd 23rd then Nights new years eve & day. Don’t tell Dad yet though xx”

Susan Letby said: “Ok he’ll be pleased, also Jane x”

Nurse Lucy Letby ‘offered to take photos of baby soon after murdering her on fourth attempt’

It is interesting she spent New Year's Eve at work.
Quite a sacrifice for a young person as it is traditionally a special night of wild parties.

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

It is interesting she spent New Year's Eve at work.
Quite a sacrifice for a young person as it is traditionally a special night of wild parties.

JMO

She has had the reputation of someone who wasnt a party girl since her uni days IMO. I would post the article but I think it would get snipped by the mods.

just Judging by everyone’s accounts of her including her mentor from her uni days who has known her the longest she has always been like that. IMO not a sensation seeker and someone prone to overstimulation.


“The nurse said she acted as "mentor" to Letby, who first came to the unit as a trainee around 2010/11 while studying at the University of Chester.

They became "good friends", she said, as Letby went on to join the unit after she qualified.”

“Mr Myers said: "We know the allegations but your experience when working with her was she was highly professional?

"Yes," replied the witness.

Mr Myers said: "And dedicated to the work she was doing?"

"Yes," agreed the witness.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lucy-letby-colleague-nurse-thought-2832010

I think we are getting a picture of who she is but that’s just my opinion.

I will take a guess though and say by looking at all the reports that if anything is a front it is the degree of professionalism. It’s used to compensate for the lack of a more socially engaged and socially minded individual and actually plays to her being more practical minded. Reserved, half quiet and conscientious. Task orientated and some anxiety.

there is good continuity and consistency in how she presents herself especially on a long term basis and in accordance with others opinions.


jmo.

 

[ShireChe]

I think nearly all workers in healthcare probably expect that they are going to miss some parts of either Christmas or New Year. It goes with the job.

Do we know who 'Jane' is? Is that an Aunt or other relative?

 

[Anxala]

I honestly wouldn't be good doing this for jury service.
My brain would be done by a wk tops.
I reckon nurses & doctors who use english language would have a very good head start to be on the jury.
Others who have no medical knowledge are threw in at the deep end to say the least.

^ You and me. I'd have been reduced in Wk.2 to subtly sliding down in my chair until I was under the bench and no longer visible in the hope that no one would realise I wasn't there anymore and could crawl away to safety. And I can say with absolute confidence my 'input' would not have been missed for one second.

This trial is such a tough ask of a jury.

 

[JosieJo]

So yet again LL is dealing with the bereaved parents but is not the designated nurse ? Have I got that right?

 

[Becci]

^ You and me. I'd have been reduced in Wk.2 to subtly sliding down in my chair until I was under the bench and no longer visible in the hope that no one would realise I wasn't there anymore and could crawl away to safety. And I can say with absolute confidence my 'input' would not have been missed for one second.

This trial is such a tough ask of a jury.

& i wonder what would happen if any of them have kids to take to school exc..
Would they still have to do it?
Before this I'd never heard of an air embolism.

 

[ColourPurple]

Ah it was "Ali" who asked her to go to New Zealand

"On the evening of September 30, 2015, Letby responded to a text message from a colleague, Dr Alison Ventress, who was planning to travel to New Zealand, the court heard.

Dr Ventress wrote: “Defo come to NZ then! I could use a friendly face!!”

Letby replied: “Haha not brave enough to up & leave everything.

“I couldn’t leave my parents. They would be completely devastated. Find it hard enough being away from me now and it’s only 100 miles.”

Dr Ventress responded: “Aww where are they based?”

Letby said: “Hereford. I came here to uni & didn’t go back. They hate it & I feel very guilty for staying here sometimes but it’s what I want.

“Families are tough aren’t they!”"

'Smiling' Lucy Letby offered to take photos of dead baby for parents

“SMILING” nurse Lucy Letby offered to take photographs of a baby girl soon after she had murdered her at the fourth attempt, a court has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

actually with the closure of the unit to anything other than level 1 babies, there is the potential that those machines relevant would have not been in use after. At which point any routine inspections on the machines would have identified the problem and fixed it. But that’s besides the point anyway.

And yes machines are no different to doctors, far from perfect.

No, those machines are used even with level 2 or 3 babies, for fluids and other treatments.

 

[MsBetsy]

"Earlier in her statement, she also described how she had never had "much to do with" Ms Letby.
"She always appeared reserved and never interacted with the other parents," Child I's mother added."

Lucy Letby: Nurse murdered baby on fourth attempt, court told

That's interesting because when Letby was asked why she sent them a sympathy card and saved the image on her phone, her answer was that it was not often that nurses get to know a family so well.

She describes the relationship as a positive one while the mom paints a completely different picture.

 

[katydid23]

she would have known about them well before watching that program.

Then why did she tell LE that she didn't know what an air embolism was?

I find that very suspicious. JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

That's interesting because when Letby was asked why she sent them a sympathy card and saved the image on her phone, her answer was that it was not often that nurses get to know a family so well.

She describes the relationship as a positive one while the mom paints a completely different picture.

If guilty, there's also something unnerving IMO about LL being there for her first bath and offering to take pictures of it on the mother's mboile and then being there for her last bath and again offering to take pictures... whilst also reminiscing about how much Baby I had loved her first bath.

 

[mart321]

That's interesting because when Letby was asked why she sent them a sympathy card and saved the image on her phone, her answer was that it was not often that nurses get to know a family so well.

She describes the relationship as a positive one while the mom paints a completely different picture.

Two polar opposites imo

 

[Sweeper2000]

No, those machines are used even with level 2 or 3 babies, for fluids and other treatments.

Same type of machine maybe but not the same one. I would have thought the numbers of machines would be allocated by the number of beds. Different rooms, different beds, different machines. For instance ten beds in room 3 with a machine per bed, 6 beds in room 1 with 6 machines.

might be an exception with something like the machine used to treat jaundice though, no baby would need it continuously as a baby who needs continuous monitoring would.

that’s still besides the point though. Jmo.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Then why did she tell LE that she didn't know what an air embolism was?

I find that very suspicious. JMO

everyone does. But I think the original quote was that she didn’t know exactly what an air embolism is. Yet to be covered in trial. So wait and see.

 

[katydid23]

Same type of machine maybe but not the same one. I would have thought the numbers of machines would be allocated by the number of beds. Different rooms, different beds, different machines. For instance ten beds in room 3 with a machine per bed, 6 beds in room 1 with 6 machines.

might be an exception with something like the machine used to treat jaundice though, no baby would need it continuously as a baby who needs continuous monitoring would.

that’s still besides the point though. Jmo.

The defense team has not pointed at any machine malfunctions. Wouldn't they do so if they thought it was a possibility?

 

[MsBetsy]

I wonder what made her search all three parents in succession. Baby G survived. They were not all her designated babies. So what linked them in her mind at this point in time?

She did something similar with twins A and B and for Baby C.

She searched Baby A's mother two hours after Baby A died.

After Baby C died, she searched the parents on the same day as well.

 

[Legal]

It is interesting she spent New Year's Eve at work.
Quite a sacrifice for a young person as it is traditionally a special night of wild parties.

JMO

That's an interesting comment because in jobs in England, if you work unsociable hours you usually have to choose between having Christmas or New Year off. When she sent that message she had obviously opted for Christmas off. But, as you say, for most young people New Year is a huge deal, when you go out with your friends for a big party. I left several part-time jobs as a teenager because they wanted to make me work on New Year's eve. So it may be that she chose to have Christmas off for her parents but then was resentful because she had to work on NYE when all her friends and other young people were partying. JMOO.

 

[Tortoise]

Lucy Letby: nurse offered to take photos of baby she had killed, court hears

Mid-September -

"The jury heard how the baby, who can only be named as Child I, had initially been unwell owing to her prematurity but that her mother felt she was well enough to go home when she was about six weeks old.

“I started to notice that she was looking different,” she said. “She was looking around the room now, taking it all in. I was able to sit her on my knee. I remember looking at her and thinking ‘We are going home’. She looked like a full-term baby. She didn’t look frail or small.”

Chester Standard -Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, January 25

"Child I was 'looking different' and was looking around, looking like 'a full-term baby', like 'she should be at home in her bed'.

"Child I improved and was transferred back to the Countess on October 17.

Child I 'didn't look herself' and it was like she was 'looking through me', the mother said to her mother."

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"The prosecution say there were signs of "earlier hypoxic ischaemic damage – in other words, the earlier attempts to kill her had caused brain damage resulting from a shortage of oxygen." (opening speech)

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We heard similar statements from baby G's father:

"However, the father said, he "noticed something had changed about [Child G]."

He said while, prior to Child G's projectile vomiting incident, he would speak to her and she would smile in response. After the incident, he would speak to her, but she would not smile in response."